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Capitaine_Triquet #1 Posted May 08 2017 - 09:17

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While making research I stumble across yet another of those on the field quick fix tank:  the M3 Commander.  They took the bowl gun and fitted the gun AA turret.  Interesting field fix.

 



Jarms48 #2 Posted May 08 2017 - 09:19

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Pretty sure it's a fake gun, the internal space is taken up by additional radios. 

Isando #3 Posted May 08 2017 - 11:52

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They are Grant Command tanks with fake guns. The top one is CLARIDGES of the 3rd RTR, 7th Armoured Div, in North Africa. Extra Plate on the Front to make it look like a Sherman.

 

The bottom one is my favourite. Major Gen. Poole of the 6th South African Armoured Division Command Tank. Taken in Italy 1944. Bow gun removed for extra radios, Fake gun on turret. Also note the chair welded on top (he like to get close to the action much to HQ annoyance) and the bogies from an M4. The other side had a mix of M4 / M3 bogies and one was on backwards. The tank was obsolete and used any spare parts they could get. 


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View PostIsando, on May 08 2017 - 05:52, said:

They are Grant Command tanks with fake guns. The top one is CLARIDGES of the 3rd RTR, 7th Armoured Div, in North Africa. Extra Plate on the Front to make it look like a Sherman.

 

The bottom one is my favourite. Major Gen. Poole of the 6th South African Armoured Division Command Tank. Taken in Italy 1944. Bow gun removed for extra radios, Fake gun on turret. Also note the chair welded on top (he like to get close to the action much to HQ annoyance) and the bogies from an M4. The other side had a mix of M4 / M3 bogies and one was on backwards. The tank was obsolete and used any spare parts they could get. 

 

Well, it totally fooled me big time.  Thanks for the heads up.  Still, a good idea IF the Grant cannon could fit in the smaller turret as of the Lee since the top turret was wider so this could have actually worked and make something out of this otherwise useless tin can.

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View PostCapitaine_Triquet, on May 08 2017 - 12:56, said:

 

Well, it totally fooled me big time.  Thanks for the heads up.  Still, a good idea IF the Grant cannon could fit in the smaller turret as of the Lee since the top turret was wider so this could have actually worked and make something out of this otherwise useless tin can.

The Grant turret was just that size because of the British need for radios that the Lee could not handle. it was never intended to house anything larger than the 37mm gun. The whole tank was just a stop gap until the Sherman, but it served well in North Africa.  Luckily they realised that hull mounted main guns on battle tanks was a dead end.

 

But the Lee / Grant did live on as command, ARV, Prime Mover and even Troop Carriers


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FrozenKemp #6 Posted May 08 2017 - 22:52

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The chair welded to the top is just nuts :) 




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