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sherby45343 #1 Posted May 10 2017 - 11:34

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OK so we lost against a better team, but they were running a cheat mod - tree down indicator

 

http://wotreplays.co...-sherby45343-is

 

Should they forfet the game ? 

 

Let me know your thoughts



CapPhrases #2 Posted May 10 2017 - 11:44

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only if you can get WG to declare it was a cheat mod in use.

_CHILL_ #3 Posted May 10 2017 - 11:53

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what in that battle made you think they was using a tree down indicator? its obvious you just got outspotted by their light tanks....no hacks or cheats.

 

Overreact much? lol



NARAD_ #4 Posted May 10 2017 - 11:55

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How in the world do you come to the conclusion they were cheating? Its obvious one of their light tanks spotted you! Please enlighten me how you came to that conclusion by watching the replay! 

_Tsavo #5 Posted May 10 2017 - 12:21

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If you feel it is suspicious, contact an admin and the other team will likely need to provide a replay/python log.

 

Just to note:  just because you think they cheated, doesn't confirm they did.



Hellsfog #6 Posted May 10 2017 - 12:26

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People who  blame cheats for their own bad play shouldn't prosper either.

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1pv #7 Posted May 10 2017 - 12:42

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I have on occasion  reported a tree down to team when I saw it and there was no red square bad guy tank. and also highlited the grid square it was in . arty or a scout picked um up .that's how that happens remember don`t run over stuff lol.

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Well that was a painful replay to watch. You got spotted and outplayed simple as that. I would say you should forfeit your intelligence officer title.

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View Post1pv, on May 10 2017 - 06:42, said:

I have on occasion  reported a tree down to team when I saw it and there was no red square bad guy tank. and also highlited the grid square it was in . arty or a scout picked um up .that's how that happens remember don`t run over stuff lol.

 

This says it all



iWrangleEmus #10 Posted May 10 2017 - 14:04

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Tree down on el haluf. :thinking: 

GeorgePreddy #11 Posted May 10 2017 - 14:16

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View Postsherby45343, on May 10 2017 - 07:34, said:

they were running a cheat mod - tree down indicator

 

http://wotreplays.co...-sherby45343-is

 

Should they forfet the game ? 

 

Let me know your thoughts

 

How do you know they were running a broken object indicator mod ?

 

It's "forfeit", not "forfet".



sherby45343 #12 Posted May 10 2017 - 17:14

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OK guys 20 Secs into game nobody spotted look at the Mini Map

 

27 seconds into the game - All THREE of us spotted where do you think they spotted us from?

5 seconds after I knocked a tree down..........

So where did they detect us from?

 

Note Our player in the Type 62 has a three skill crew including BIA they had Type 64 and a T71 lights

 

Yeah we were out played, they are definitely better than us I am OK with that, but they were using a cheat mod....

 

Camo calculator comparison of the Type 62 and Type 64 assuming he has it maxed out

 

 



GeorgePreddy #13 Posted May 10 2017 - 17:28

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You didn't use binocs or situational awareness or net on the enemy Type 64, or most importantly a BUSH, will make a huge difference if he had those.  Re-do your graphic using all the items available to the enemy Type 64, i.e. binocs, camo net, sit. aware, dense bush.

 

Also, you were spotted BEFORE the tree went down so what is your point about knocking the tree down ?

Are you aware that there is a perfectly legal mod that allows you to back out from your tank in arcade mode in any direction to look for items breaking/trees falling, these things can be seen for all of draw distance (564 meters in every direction).

 

Also, all spotting and camo is controlled on the server, there are no mods legal or illegal that can make your view range better or the enemy camo worse.

 

Their 2 lights could have easily spotted all 3 of you from 2 different locations / angles.



_Tsavo #14 Posted May 10 2017 - 18:28

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He's in a bush in D4, which has a direct line of sight to you.  I go there often and catch peeps crossing that same gap in pubs.

 

Case closed.



sherby45343 #15 Posted May 10 2017 - 18:31

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View PostGeorgePreddy, on May 10 2017 - 11:28, said:

You didn't use binocs or situational awareness or net on the enemy Type 64, or most importantly a BUSH, will make a huge difference if he had those.  Re-do your graphic using all the items available to the enemy Type 64, i.e. binocs, camo net, sit. aware, dense bush.

 

Also, you were spotted BEFORE the tree went down so what is your point about knocking the tree down ?

Are you aware that there is a perfectly legal mod that allows you to back out from your tank in arcade mode in any direction to look for items breaking/trees falling, these things can be seen for all of draw distance (564 meters in every direction).

 

Also, all spotting and camo is controlled on the server, there are no mods legal or illegal that can make your view range better or the enemy camo worse.

 

Their 2 lights could have easily spotted all 3 of you from 2 different locations / angles.

 

George your a great player, better than I am, no contest, but surely you understand that the draw distance mod you are proposing they used would not set off my sixth sense? to do that you need to be spotted visually, How fast can they get from their spawn to a spotting position and then get camo net and binos up? (Binos +25% View Range when tank hull is stationary for 3 seconds. Recommended for Tank Destroyers and passive scouts). Show me where he spotted us from on the map and I will try it out in a training room. Everybody want to make this a rant about if we lose they must have cheated, but thats not it. They could have and would have beaten us with out using illegal mods, they were all better players. The fact is I truly believe they were using cheats and that is not acceptable. watch the first 60 secs, I was not spotted until 3-5 secs after they tree went over.

 

​If you truly believe I am mistaken and this was them just being fantastic players why not get the to post their replay where the show us visually being spotted from their Dense bush with Binos and camo net active? Below is a link to their team profile If they want to call me out ask them to post their replays to wotreplay so we can see how great they are?

 

https://worldoftanks...eam/1000317672/

 

Try it I bet you get zero response or given the bird.......

 

 

 



sherby45343 #16 Posted May 10 2017 - 18:34

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View Post_Tsavo, on May 10 2017 - 12:28, said:

He's in a bush in D4, which has a direct line of sight to you.  I go there often and catch peeps crossing that same gap in pubs.

 

Case closed.

Can you get there in 10 seconds?

 

Invite me to a training room and show me this evening please, I would really like to learn how he did that


Edited by sherby45343, May 10 2017 - 18:36.


_Tsavo #17 Posted May 10 2017 - 18:39

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If he's not in D4, he's somewhere down there with LOS through the gap you're in.  It takes me, depending on spawn, about 25-30 seconds to be in D4 bush in pubs.  

sherby45343 #18 Posted May 10 2017 - 18:46

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View Post_Tsavo, on May 10 2017 - 12:39, said:

If he's not in D4, he's somewhere down there with LOS through the gap you're in.  It takes me, depending on spawn, about 25-30 seconds to be in D4 bush in pubs.  

 

I agree taking 20 secs to get there and get set up would be really hard, If we were spotted at announced as spotted at 27 seconds into the game so he spotted us 24 secs into the game which according to Rommel he could do with his camo net and Binos active (21 seconds). Seriously guys if you still think this is likely then call them out get them to post a replay.

 

Compare in Tanks GG does show the two fully loaded lights will out spot a Type 62, but their soft ground resistance is much worse than a Type 62

 

http://tanks.gg/comp...9.-1.-1_0.1.2.9


Edited by sherby45343, May 10 2017 - 18:56.


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I've never used the tree down/breakage mod but my understanding of it is that it provides the user of a notification on the minimap where the breakage occurs. You seem to be suggesting that knocking the tree over allowed them to spot you via the mod. I don't think it works like that. If it did you would be getting spotted whenever you knocked down buildings in the spawn.

If 6th sense went off they had to have sight of your tank.



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View Postsherby45343, on May 10 2017 - 14:31, said:

 

George your a great player, better than I am, no contest, but surely you understand that the draw distance mod you are proposing they used would not set off my sixth sense?  I didn't propose that it set off your 6th sense, I was explaining how the enemy can see a tree fall without using any illegal mod.

Please explain what legal or illegal mod you believe is possible that can increase their view range or the game's max spotting distance ????  PLEASE !  There is no such thing available.

It is far more believable that they had a passive scout setup and made it to D4 in time running food and possibly Quality Oil for better acceleration.

 

to do that you need to be spotted visually, How fast can they get from their spawn to a spotting position and then get camo net and binos up? (Binos +25% View Range when tank hull is stationary for 3 seconds. Recommended for Tank Destroyers and passive scouts). Show me where he spotted us from on the map and I will try it out in a training room. Everybody want to make this a rant about if we lose they must have cheated, but thats not it. They could have and would have beaten us with out using illegal mods, they were all better players. The fact is I truly believe they were using cheats [I ask again AGAIN, WHAT CHEATS, WHICH CHEATS ?? There are no mods that can increase view range or spotting distance for them or reduce camo value on you. NONE, NADA, that is all server info]  and that is not acceptable. watch the first 60 secs, I was not spotted until 3-5 secs after they tree went over.

 





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