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Should premium rounds be taken away from clan wars and tournaments


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Poll: Poll to see how many people want premium rounds removed from detachments and tournaments or no (63 members have cast votes)

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Should premium rounds be removed from detachments and tournaments?

  1. Yes premium rounds should be removed from detachments and tournaments (13 votes [20.63%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.63%

  2. No premium rounds should continue to stay in detachments and tournaments (48 votes [76.19%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 76.19%

  3. Maybe premium rounds should only be removed from tournaments (2 votes [3.17%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.17%

  4. Maybe premium rounds should only be removed from detachments (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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TanklessMouse5 #21 Posted May 17 2017 - 17:49

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Dont run 4 O-Is i detachmentd then you will not have to complain about gold ammo

BigNaturals #22 Posted May 17 2017 - 18:09

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on May 17 2017 - 08:02, said:

 

so you'd be fine with them making gold rounds cost the same as normal rounds then?   as they available to everyone. we might as well make sure they are affordable to everyone instead of just a few

 

lol went above your head,

 

no I prefer they go back to what they was before you had to BUY GOLD TO BUY GOLD AMMO. The non supporters of the game cried like 2 yr olds saying is was pay to win and they shouldnt have to buy gold to own gold rounds so they made premium ammo available for silver so everyone had access to them now with out spending real money.

 

its there for everyone to use its your choice to use them or not if you dont use them then its YOUR OWN FAULT NOT WG's. And your point is invalid



Gunadie #23 Posted May 17 2017 - 18:10

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View PostNudnick, on May 17 2017 - 08:38, said:

Take away armor. Armor is ruining the game and you don't even have to pay extra for it.

 

Better still,

Take away pen, pen is ruining the game and you do have to pay extra for it!

Or make it slightly more pen with considerably less damage

If the use of pen does not have any significant monetary benefit (or better yet, a negative benefit) but allows stopping power

of heavily armored tanks, then spamming would cease to exist as a benefit, as it now is, and its use would diminish!



BigNaturals #24 Posted May 17 2017 - 18:11

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on May 17 2017 - 08:34, said:

 

then by that logic you wont have a problem reducign gold round's cost.   as by your own argument everyone should be able to afford it and thus it wont matter the cost of the gold round as people can afford it anyway.

 

 

 

learn how to make silver in the game and buy them like everyone else, sounds like you want a free handout

Dratt_Dastardly #25 Posted May 17 2017 - 18:22

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I don't play clan wars and such but I think I would be more inclined to use more premium rounds than in random battles.  After all, in the grand scheme of things, isn't the long term win more beneficial than the lose of silver per battle?  I mean, you can make up the lose in silver from premium rounds in random battles. 

Hellsfog #26 Posted May 17 2017 - 18:23

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Pros: Gold rounds is how WG balances out a +/-4+/-3 +/-2 tear spread cause lazy I guess. Gold rounds also make WG a ton of money.  Gold rounds give bad/new players a leg up the learning curve, while making WG a ton of money.  Stops [edited]ters from derping around in super-heavies cause [edited]you shouldn't be able to pen me...no [edited]way...hacks...reported.

 

Cons: Gold rounds make armor irrelevant, often.  Players fire them at tanks they could pen anyway and then cry about the cost on the forums. 

 

Meh. I don't care. But I made this post. FAAAACCCCKKK. 

 

 

P.S. Speaking of gold spam:  Who's going to buy a Chrysler K tank?  Come on! You know you are!


Edited by Hellsfog, May 17 2017 - 18:25.


BlitzMInc #27 Posted May 17 2017 - 18:43

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i personally hate the HE rounds the most, i always seem to get the bad rng with them

Seguita #28 Posted May 17 2017 - 18:45

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Yes please and make my maus undead.

Yankee #29 Posted May 17 2017 - 18:55

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I never understood why this argument didn't end the day the changed premium rounds to being able to be purchased with silver, it boggles the mind.

You can choose between profitability or penetration, that's it.

There is no "fair" or "right" involved here.

Extraordinaire #30 Posted May 17 2017 - 19:44

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on May 17 2017 - 10:02, said:

 

so you'd be fine with them making gold rounds cost the same as normal rounds then?   as they available to everyone. we might as well make sure they are affordable to everyone instead of just a few

 

Premium rounds are affordable to everyone. That fact alone makes your argument baseless. Certain shells are more expensive to produce than others. Typically performance dictates more cost. That is how it is in a real life economy and that is how WG wishes to drive their in game economy. 

Extraordinaire #31 Posted May 17 2017 - 19:47

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View PostDratt_Dastardly, on May 17 2017 - 12:22, said:

I don't play clan wars and such but I think I would be more inclined to use more premium rounds than in random battles.  After all, in the grand scheme of things, isn't the long term win more beneficial than the lose of silver per battle?  I mean, you can make up the lose in silver from premium rounds in random battles. 

 

You are correct. The overall goal is to win GOLD. Spending a few more credits to achieve this is commonplace.

 

It's interesting how things have changed since the beginning. It used to be use gold to get better ammo. Now it's use better ammo to get gold. (tournaments, CW, etc.)



Strike_Witch_Tomoko #32 Posted May 17 2017 - 19:52

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View PostExtraordinaire, on May 17 2017 - 11:44, said:

 

Premium rounds are affordable to everyone. That fact alone makes your argument baseless. Certain shells are more expensive to produce than others. Typically performance dictates more cost. That is how it is in a real life economy and that is how WG wishes to drive their in game economy. 

 

if thats true then you should have no problem with reducing the cost of gold rounds so that all of us can actually afford them.

Hellsfog #33 Posted May 17 2017 - 20:06

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on May 17 2017 - 13:52, said:

 

if thats true then you should have no problem with reducing the cost of gold rounds so that all of us can actually afford them.

 

You keep saying the same thing over and over without actually addressing the point which is that premium ammo/consumables are affordable to everyone. Unless your point is that shells and consumables should be free or nearly free, which is an entirely different conversation. 

Strike_Witch_Tomoko #34 Posted May 17 2017 - 20:09

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View PostHellsfog, on May 17 2017 - 12:06, said:

 

You keep saying the same thing over and over without actually addressing the point which is that premium ammo/consumables are affordable to everyone. Unless your point is that shells and consumables should be free or nearly free, which is an entirely different conversation. 

 

and you keep saying its affordable to everyone.   and yet your against changing the game so that that belief is actually true.

 

if they were affordable to everyone, everyone would use them.  but thats not the case now is it.



MacDaddyMatty #35 Posted May 17 2017 - 20:22

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Strike Witch,

I'm not a great player.

 

I feel that gold rounds are affordable to everyone - when used occasionally.

I am against changing the game to make them cheaper, as then they would be affordable to be used primarily.


 

YMMV


 


 



Yankee #36 Posted May 17 2017 - 20:24

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premium rounds exist to drive people into negative credit revenue, thus encouraging them to spend real dollars to compensate for their unprofitable games.

Wargaming has no motivation to "fix" this, it's simply a monetizing technique , and it's very effective.

It has nothing to do with game balance, only Serb's bank balance.

Hellsfog #37 Posted May 17 2017 - 20:43

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on May 17 2017 - 14:09, said:

 

and you keep saying its affordable to everyone.   and yet your against changing the game so that that belief is actually true.

 

if they were affordable to everyone, everyone would use them.  but thats not the case now is it.

 

Yeah it is the case. Players may choose not use them for a variety of reasons but affordability isn't one of them. 

Strike_Witch_Tomoko #38 Posted May 17 2017 - 20:50

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View PostHellsfog, on May 17 2017 - 12:43, said:

 

Yeah it is the case. Players may choose not use them for a variety of reasons but affordability isn't one of them. 

 

oh? they choose to not use a premium ammo, that they can afford.   an instead shoot the maus with 32 credit rounds that have no chance in hell of ever penning front on.

 

or the hulldown e3

 

so what are these reasons?  what wonderful reason do they have to not use ammo that actually pens.     and instead use an ammo that will not pen even point blank.



Hellsfog #39 Posted May 17 2017 - 21:23

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on May 17 2017 - 14:50, said:

 

oh? they choose to not use a premium ammo, that they can afford.   an instead shoot the maus with 32 credit rounds that have no chance in hell of ever penning front on.

 

or the hulldown e3

 

so what are these reasons?  what wonderful reason do they have to not use ammo that actually pens.     and instead use an ammo that will not pen even point blank.

 

Who does that? SirFoch but wait he's not an idiot so when he can't pen with standard ammo he moves.   Tell me, in your fictional world, where a player with a tier 8 to 10 tank, can afford a handful of premium rounds and refuses to relocate, is everyone bad at this game?

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Whats the point of arguing the economics of premium rounds or whatever this thread is about. As Yankee stated premium rounds is simply trading profitability for increased penetration. Premium rounds are available to almost all vehicles except for a select few such as the sturer emil. The only people who think premium rounds break the game are the same people who think that when they are hull down in their e100 they should never be penned and therefore can look directly at the enemy without moving the tank. The point of armor is to make it harder for your tank to be penned. Not impossible. Just harder. If you wiggle/angle and understand basic game mechanics it becomes a lot harder to be penned regardless of whats shooting at you.




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