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Poll: Poll to see how many people want premium rounds removed from detachments and tournaments or no (77 members have cast votes)

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Should premium rounds be removed from detachments and tournaments?

  1. Yes premium rounds should be removed from detachments and tournaments (16 votes [20.78%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.78%

  2. Voted No premium rounds should continue to stay in detachments and tournaments (59 votes [76.62%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 76.62%

  3. Maybe premium rounds should only be removed from tournaments (2 votes [2.60%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.60%

  4. Maybe premium rounds should only be removed from detachments (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Strike_Witch_Tomoko #41 Posted May 17 2017 - 21:37

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View PostHellsfog, on May 17 2017 - 13:23, said:

 

Who does that? SirFoch but wait he's not an idiot so when he can't pen with standard ammo he moves.   Tell me, in your fictional world, where a player with a tier 8 to 10 tank, can afford a handful of premium rounds and refuses to relocate, is everyone bad at this game?

 

tell me, in your fictional world where they can relocate as easily as you imply,   and can afford enough gold rounds to fight a tier 8 in an easy 8 (2.8k credits per 115 dmg.  and thats if you pen.....and if you HIT)

tunnel maps = flanking, relocating, regrouping.     not as easy as it seems and usually not going to happen in pubs.
and income.   oh sure. if your in a prem tank firing a good credit to dmg ratio gold round.   who has good accuracy and actually reliable pen.   it might work.  

 

but not all tanks are like that.  hell some tanks have crap credit to dmg ratios.   from T-34-3's high price gold round.   to easy 8's forced spam.   both oh which also suffer from low shell speed and accuracy on top of unreliable gold ammo.

 

 



Hellsfog #42 Posted May 17 2017 - 22:08

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on May 17 2017 - 15:37, said:

 

tell me, in your fictional world where they can relocate as easily as you imply,   and can afford enough gold rounds to fight a tier 8 in an easy 8 (2.8k credits per 115 dmg.  and thats if you pen.....and if you HIT)

tunnel maps = flanking, relocating, regrouping.     not as easy as it seems and usually not going to happen in pubs.
and income.   oh sure. if your in a prem tank firing a good credit to dmg ratio gold round.   who has good accuracy and actually reliable pen.   it might work.  

 

but not all tanks are like that.  hell some tanks have crap credit to dmg ratios.   from T-34-3's high price gold round.   to easy 8's forced spam.   both oh which also suffer from low shell speed and accuracy on top of unreliable gold ammo.

 

 

 

In your fictional world, where all tanks sit still and try to punch each other in the face and nobody grinds credits in randoms or strongholds and nobody has a premium tanks to earn credits so nobody can afford 5-10 gold rounds, how does anyone afford to buy new tanks? Do tier 10 tanks cost the same as a tier 2 tanks so everyone can afford them? Could it be that your personal over reliance on premium ammo is really the problem? 

Extraordinaire #43 Posted May 18 2017 - 17:26

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on May 17 2017 - 13:52, said:

 

if thats true then you should have no problem with reducing the cost of gold rounds so that all of us can actually afford them.

 

Did I not begin my comment with "Premium shells are affordable for everyone?"

 

Pretty sure I did. Because it is true. I don't use many myself. I am told I should. I have PLENTY of credits too. Trust me.

If you can't seem to budget properly, it's on you, and if you cannot pen a target in front of you, go somewhere else or use team tactics to overwhelm and flank the enemy. Basically what I am saying is 'get better at game.'



Yankee #44 Posted May 18 2017 - 19:05

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For the record there are very few premium rounds in the game that don't pay for themselves IF you pen

Strike_Witch_Tomoko #45 Posted May 18 2017 - 19:35

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View PostExtraordinaire, on May 18 2017 - 09:26, said:

 

Did I not begin my comment with "Premium shells are affordable for everyone?"

 

Pretty sure I did. Because it is true. I don't use many myself. I am told I should. I have PLENTY of credits too. Trust me.

If you can't seem to budget properly, it's on you, and if you cannot pen a target in front of you, go somewhere else or use team tactics to overwhelm and flank the enemy. Basically what I am saying is 'get better at game.'

 

you say they are affordable

 

and yet if that was true then there would be no difference to you if they lower the price so we can ACTUALLY afford it like you claim.

 

and yet you protest.  claiming everyone can afford it but you don't want people to be able to afford it.

 

 

you are not everyone. and yet you seem to think everyone is like you by your claim of everyone can afford them



mojave #46 Posted May 18 2017 - 20:00

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on May 18 2017 - 18:35, said:

 

you say they are affordable

 

and yet if that was true then there would be no difference to you if they lower the price so we can ACTUALLY afford it like you claim.

 

and yet you protest.  claiming everyone can afford it but you don't want people to be able to afford it.

 

 

you are not everyone. and yet you seem to think everyone is like you by your claim of everyone can afford them

So extraordinaire does not represent everyone yet you claim you do. Its really hard for me to understand how you as an individual represent everyone while extraordonaire as an individual does not. 



MacDaddyMatty #47 Posted May 18 2017 - 20:15

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on May 18 2017 - 13:35, said:

 

you say they are affordable

 

and yet if that was true then there would be no difference to you if they lower the price so we can ACTUALLY afford it like you claim.

 

and yet you protest.  claiming everyone can afford it but you don't want people to be able to afford it.

 

 

you are not everyone. and yet you seem to think everyone is like you by your claim of everyone can afford them

 

 

I believe they are affordable to EVERYONE for OCCASIONAL use now.

They SHOULD NOT BE affordable for PRIMARY use.



Strike_Witch_Tomoko #48 Posted May 18 2017 - 20:45

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View Postmojave, on May 18 2017 - 12:00, said:

So extraordinaire does not represent everyone yet you claim you do. Its really hard for me to understand how you as an individual represent everyone while extraordonaire as an individual does not. 

 

i'm not claiming to represent everyone

 

i'm claiming to represent myself.  aka part of the everyone he claims to represent.

 

see the flaw in your logic?

 

View PostMacDaddyMatty, on May 18 2017 - 12:15, said:

 

 

I believe they are affordable to EVERYONE for OCCASIONAL use now.

They SHOULD NOT BE affordable for PRIMARY use.

 

unfoturnatley.  some can afford to use them primarily.   while others (like me)  has to count each we use because low pen guns need gold for alot of tanks.

 

meanwhile tanks that dont need gold ot pen stuff, use it anyway.

 

hell take defender for example.  have fun fighting it in a super p or m46 kr.   or god help you a t95e2.

 

meanwhile it doesn't need gold to pen me.



mojave #49 Posted May 18 2017 - 20:48

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Strike. I feel you are thinking im backing extraordonaire here. Im not. My point is your counter argument is no more valid than his

Roccandil #50 Posted May 19 2017 - 00:50

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Premium rounds tend to reduce RNG, so I like them. I use them only rarely in skirmishes, however, and I generally make lots of credits there (millions). That pays for running all premium rounds and food in clan wars and then some. Skirmishes + premium time + premium tanks = solvency. :P

 

Plus, with the right T6/T8 premium tanks, I can grind crews for meta T10 tanks while making credits.

 

I do hate pub matches, though, and I rarely play those now that we can legionnaire in skirmishes and advances. That means when I do play pubs, I can go all premium on them if I feel like it (and why not, since those stats are the ones everyone looks at anyhow).



Extraordinaire #51 Posted May 20 2017 - 15:36

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on May 18 2017 - 13:35, said:

 

you say they are affordable

 

and yet if that was true then there would be no difference to you if they lower the price so we can ACTUALLY afford it like you claim.

 

and yet you protest.  claiming everyone can afford it but you don't want people to be able to afford it.

 

 

you are not everyone. and yet you seem to think everyone is like you by your claim of everyone can afford them

 

Well... for one, I did not protest anything. I did not say I do not want everyone to be able to afford it either. If I thought that, I would promote premium ammo needing to be more expensive. I am not.

 

Don't claim I said something I did not either. I feel everyone should be able to afford it, and I feel they can. If you bring just a handful to each battle as I do, and only use it when absolutely needed, and actually aim and pen it, you will not see credit loss. Only gain. They are priced low enough for all to carry some, but high enough so all do not carry exclusively Premium. That is how it is meant to be for good reason.

 

I agree that ALL should be able to afford them. That is only fair. If they were lowered, however, why would anyone use standard ammo at all? 

 

I am not trying to ague with you. I am suggesting you try it though. How many credits do you have? and what sort of tanks do you like to play? I would like to help you afford some good ammo.

........After looking, Strike, you don't seem to play anymore, but your top 3 played tanks are tier 8 premiums. You are not bad at this game either, but you don't have credits? It's pretty basic. Pen your shots, make money.

        Try being a bit frugal with your credit spending. Sell old tanks you won't play as well as their extra modules... Buy consumables/equipment when it is 50% off, etc.

 

 


Edited by Extraordinaire, May 20 2017 - 16:43.


mojave #52 Posted May 20 2017 - 16:48

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Nah fam. It was just the same argument on the other side of it

Extraordinaire #53 Posted May 21 2017 - 22:00

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I hear you. I could give statistics on my profits based on a standard account and show that most games, even shooting a little prem ammo, I make credits. I just didn't want to give it the effort. My bad being lazy.

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on May 18 2017 - 18:35, said:

 

you say they are affordable

 

and yet if that was true then there would be no difference to you if they lower the price so we can ACTUALLY afford it like you claim.

 

and yet you protest.  claiming everyone can afford it but you don't want people to be able to afford it.

 

 

you are not everyone. and yet you seem to think everyone is like you by your claim of everyone can afford them

Did this poll teach you anything?  Did it maybe show you, and the millennials alike, that you have to work hard to play hard, instead of the government, private companies, etc., just giving it to you for free just because joe blow down the street has it and you want it too?

 

  By the way, if you can't afford premium ammo on any tank you want, it is not the cost of the ammo that is the problem here, buddy, but rather your own personal game play, period.  Quit always looking for a handout and start looking in the mirror.  Good luck!



Strike_Witch_Tomoko #55 Posted May 23 2017 - 13:55

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View PostMad_Maxximus, on May 23 2017 - 03:08, said:

Did this poll teach you anything?  Did it maybe show you, and the millennials alike, that you have to work hard to play hard, instead of the government, private companies, etc., just giving it to you for free just because joe blow down the street has it and you want it too?

 

  By the way, if you can't afford premium ammo on any tank you want, it is not the cost of the ammo that is the problem here, buddy, but rather your own personal game play, period.  Quit always looking for a handout and start looking in the mirror.  Good luck!

 

way to accuse all millenials.

do you even know if i am a millenial?   cause heres the thing, what you accused is what every generation accuses of the younger.

https://www.youtube....h?v=s5pe7z_X4mA   <from 1968

 

and anyway.  the issue isn't that "you have to work hard to play hard",   its that while some of us need to work hard to earn gold.   others can pay to get it easier.   which is an unfair advantage.

 

if i work 8 hours at a job and earn $40

and you work 8 hours, at the same job, and earn $70.

 

thats not right.



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View PostAquatic_Poi, on May 17 2017 - 16:01, said:

Ah, the age old complaint about gold rounds ruining the game :popcorn:

 

not as old as "arty is ruining the game"

cnuk #57 Posted Oct 30 2017 - 20:28

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Wow Strike, suck it up ... 

While many may indeeed 'pay to get it easier' its those paying customers that keep the game going for freeloaders like me...

Learn how to grind creds and you too can have prem ammo avail when you need it ...

Or maybe you should just buy yourself a crying towel instead ...



yakri #58 Posted Dec 09 2017 - 15:23

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Unfortunately, firing gold rounds all the time makes the game unbalanced. It's supposed to because the devs want the pay to win to be worth while.

 

As a result though, making premium rounds the default, of removing them from a mode, would cause major balance problems. Removing them probably being the worse option because it would make a few power creeped tanks with super heavy armor op as [edited]. 



steelandpain #59 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 00:02

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Prem rounds is one of he primary mechanisms for forcing players to play more and to pay money for the game (prem account, gold, prem tanks, etc.), so why would Wargaming remove them? Competitions in WOT require both skill and, just as important, time/money investment to grind credits and crew perks, that's just part of the formula. You can compare it to NASCAR, it's not enough to have the best driver, you need the best car a well, and that requires a large investment.

 

That said, I think given enough skill, you can be competitive in skirmishes and strongholds, just not against the players with same skill, until you have similar tanks/crew and can afford to spam all premium rounds.

 

A good reason to keep prem rounds in tournaments, people train with them in all other games/modes. If you remove prem rounds, you have to remove them from the game altogether, which won't happen, unless Wargaming finds an alternative way to monetize, which is just as good. 


Edited by steelandpain, Jan 18 2018 - 00:06.





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