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Proof that the AMX ELC was nerfed too much


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gregolegomonkeyboy #1 Posted May 20 2017 - 01:26

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This shouldn't be that "easy".  I spent several hundred battles to get the second MOE pre-9.18.  Played this battle today (3rd total in ELC since update), and... oh, look, I somehow got the third one, didn't think that could ever happen...

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Strike_Witch_Tomoko #2 Posted May 20 2017 - 01:28

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708 dmg for a tier 5 is actually pretty good considering the avg hp is 480.

Marzzombie #3 Posted May 20 2017 - 01:28

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lol i literally played one elc battle today

EDIT: Fun fact, this was roughly 4k wn8 for like a garbage game imo


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SenaKashiwazaki #4 Posted May 20 2017 - 01:55

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Since light tanks no longer get scout matchmaking. They been nerfed to suit the +2/-2 better.

tanopasman62 #5 Posted May 20 2017 - 02:16

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View PostSenaKashiwazaki, on May 20 2017 - 01:55, said:

Since light tanks no longer get scout matchmaking. They been nerfed to suit the +2/-2 better.

 

That's why they ruined its engine, right?

Silentslayer99 #6 Posted May 20 2017 - 02:18

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You do realize you are getting MOE because it accounts for your last 100 games.. If you just played it now for the first time since the patch, it is counting the damage you did in the games pre-nerf.

 

It was nerfed a bit harshly i will agree.

 



LovePrevails #7 Posted May 20 2017 - 02:23

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  It has always been like that. It was (and presumably still is) derided as the easiest tank to 3-mark in certain circles. Personally, I could never tell whether it was legitimately underpowered or simply difficult to use, although there is no doubt that it is the former as of 9.18 - and to think, this tank sees the same battles as a T67...

Kekistani #8 Posted May 20 2017 - 02:26

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1. Do your best in your LTs pre-9.18;

2. Wait a couple of weeks after 9.18;

3. Play your LTs after the average damage has dropped;

4. ????

5. Profit



Marzzombie #9 Posted May 20 2017 - 02:26

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View PostSilentslayer99, on May 20 2017 - 02:18, said:

You do realize you are getting MOE because it accounts for your last 100 games.. If you just played it now for the first time since the patch, it is counting the damage you did in the games pre-nerf.

 

It was nerfed a bit harshly i will agree.

 

I played the ELC for a while, frustrated by the non fully rotating turret

A few patches later, after i learned a hell of a lot about positioning, I played one battle.

i literally cannot say i am good in this tank, as obviously im not

I actually looked into how MoE actually work, one battle can completely change your stats: https://www.youtube....h?v=B8oQcvH8XIc

the requirements are much, much lower now



gregolegomonkeyboy #10 Posted May 20 2017 - 02:28

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My point was that they nerfed it so badly that a sizable number of good players stopped playing it, thereby lowering the average (spot) damage needed to get a MOE.

LovePrevails #11 Posted May 20 2017 - 02:47

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  That's a stretch. The drop in expected damage is most likely a consequence of the penetration and DPM nerfs incurred by the ELC Bis' 90mm armament and the reduced amount of total enemy hit points available for farming under +2/-2 matchmaking rules.

Harkonen_siegetank #12 Posted May 20 2017 - 02:49

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Not another ELC cries. Your OP vehicle is gone, just adapt already.

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I used to do over 1k almost every game in that, would get to about 93% before getting one shotted early on and dropping 5+ points, havent played the tank since the patch. The ELC used to be my favorite tank in the game. It is now dead to me

LovePrevails #14 Posted May 20 2017 - 02:59

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View PostHarkonen_siegetank, on May 19 2017 - 22:49, said:

Not another ELC cries. Your OP vehicle is gone, just adapt already.

 

  Perhaps you should leave the forums in protest against these topics.

alexgt9123 #15 Posted May 20 2017 - 03:01

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I got 3 MoE after 4 battles  played in 9.18, I am in the RLC clan and have been trying for the 3rd mark for months.

 

I like how WG wanted to stop 'WN8 Padding' in this tank by making it worse but in fact they just made it better for WN8 farming because all the tomatoes suck harder xD...

 

I still average about 700-1000 DPG in it though.. I agree that it was nerfed to much and that it should get it's old stats and move up to tier 6 to get the old mm but with adjusting my playstyle to be less aggressive it is still competitive, just for the love of all things don't 1v1 something you won't one shot, you WILL die :)

 

 

That being said the nerfs took out most of the fun of this tank, and we all play games to have fun, so I say this was a poor choice on WG behalf.



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View Postgregolegomonkeyboy, on May 20 2017 - 02:28, said:

My point was that they nerfed it so badly that a sizable number of good players stopped playing it, thereby lowering the average (spot) damage needed to get a MOE.

 

they were not necessarily good players just players that preferred playing a seriously OP tank that deserved to get a nerf like pretty much every light in the game.

alexgt9123 #17 Posted May 20 2017 - 03:06

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View PostHarkonen_siegetank, on May 20 2017 - 02:49, said:

Not another ELC cries. Your OP vehicle is gone, just adapt already.

 

Your sig says "Left WoT in protest of Obj 252"

 

Now you should include "Left WoT because I can't deal with people giving their opinion about how to make the game better"

 

And BTW the ELC was not OP as per common misconception it was just a good tank when played by a good player. Like 97% of all the other tanks in WoT.

 

 

And also to advertise that you have 'left' WoT from the Obj. 252 you have to be active on the WoT fourms, ironically unintelligent you might say...



alexgt9123 #18 Posted May 20 2017 - 03:07

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View PostTahllol, on May 20 2017 - 03:03, said:

 

they were not necessarily good players just players that preferred playing a seriously OP tank that deserved to get a nerf like pretty much every light in the game.

 

Give me 3 valid reasons the ELC and every other light tank in the game is OP.

LovePrevails #19 Posted May 20 2017 - 03:16

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  1. They can out spot his IS-3.

  2. They can penetrate his IS-3.

  3. He can't snipe them with auto-aim.

  Calling it now.



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View Post9gagger, on May 19 2017 - 22:26, said:

1. Do your best in your LTs pre-9.18;

2. Wait a couple of weeks after 9.18;

3. Play your LTs after the average damage has dropped;

4. ????

5. Profit

Hahhaha

True

Now I understand why I got the 3rd moe






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