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GiggMaster #41 Posted May 23 2017 - 17:59

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I have only one comment about this thing.

 

Copyright should be used as a SHIELD, not a GUN.

 

I know NA and EU are independent entities and I know the whole crap happened in the EU space - NA is feeling the consequences now so all I hope is to see Mr Cohen giving clearly directions about it to his NA team.

 

Best,


Edited by GiggMaster, May 23 2017 - 17:59.


MacDaddyMatty #42 Posted May 23 2017 - 18:01

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...also,

WG was polite to Frosch in the correspondence and Frosh (sp? don't care) acted like a spoiled child who needs a spanking.

Give the WG employee a raise and promotion.


 

YMMV


 


 

(yeah, I'm in a mood - out of coffee)


Edited by MacDaddyMatty, May 23 2017 - 18:03.


Thumper_E23 #43 Posted May 23 2017 - 18:03

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My impression of this is Jim Sterling in doing research probably contacted Wargaming NA, which is a smart move for an official statement.  My impression is that War Gamming EU and War Gamming NA are different business units and run separately.  My impression is that PR of NA was not on board or not up to date with what was done by EU and they jumped to protect the Company as a whole and gave one of those blanket "Protect the Shield" statements, and had the opposite affect by pouring gasoline on the fire.  Instead of saying we're the NA branch and not involved directly, let us contact our EU office and give you the correct Company Wide standard on this manner.  Unfortunately Cypress had to get involved, when cool heads and logic could have kept it to a dull roar.

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View Posteward17, on May 23 2017 - 17:17, said:

 

I punch you in the face.Then I apologize. You then thank me for apologizing 

 

Bad analogy! WG didn't "punch him in the face", it was threatened for which the apology was given! Perhaps taking WG approach and thinking before you speak would have been the best course.

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View PostMacDaddyMatty, on May 23 2017 - 12:01, said:

...also,

WG was polite to Frosch in the correspondence and Frosh (sp? don't care) acted like a spoiled child who needs a spanking.

Give the WG employee a raise and promotion.

YMMV

(yeah, I'm in a mood - out of coffee)

 



CrazySOB187 #46 Posted May 23 2017 - 18:05

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View PostThumper_E23, on May 23 2017 - 18:03, said:

My impression of this is Jim Sterling in doing research probably contacted Wargaming NA, which is a smart move for an official statement.  My impression is that War Gamming EU and War Gamming NA are different business units and run separately.  My impression is that PR of NA was not on board or not up to date with what was done by EU and they jumped to protect the Company as a whole and gave one of those blanket "Protect the Shield" statements, and had the opposite affect by pouring gasoline on the fire.  Instead of saying we're the NA branch and not involved directly, let us contact our EU office and give you the correct Company Wide standard on this manner.  Unfortunately Cypress had to get involved, when cool heads and logic could have kept it to a dull roar.

 

wow someone hit the bottle early

SomethingDownThere #47 Posted May 23 2017 - 18:08

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What is a good condiment while the crow is still warm?

 

Some people suggest mustard if it gets too cold and it must be reheated, the meat tends to get gamey.



Mad_Dog_Seabee #48 Posted May 23 2017 - 18:15

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#BanSirFoch

wade_gaskins #49 Posted May 23 2017 - 18:16

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lol I like the copy paste from the EU site. This is why we can't have nice things.

https://worldoftanks...rfoch-incident/



t8z5h3 #50 Posted May 23 2017 - 18:17

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View PostQuemapueblos, on May 23 2017 - 12:01, said:

Dear Commanders,

We have further reviewed the incident of last Friday involving SirFoch and his “Chrysler K GF rant” video, and know we could have handled the situation a lot better. We strongly support our players’, including our Community Contributors’, right to speak critically about us and our games. We acted too quickly and over the line when we threatened to have YouTube remove SirFoch’s video through a copyright infringement complaint and we are apologizing for that.

We’re committed to doing a better job on this front. We’re going to improve the way we communicate with our Community and our Community Contributors, and as part of that effort we will work with them on more detailed, specific guidelines to help ensure incidents like this don’t happen again.

Our official position is that Wargaming will not take copyright action against opinions based on our publicly released content.

Over the weekend we released a statement to some media outlets regarding the content of SirFoch’s video that inferred that SirFoch’s videos contained hate speech and homophobia. While we would obviously not want such content to be associated with any of our games – this video clearly did not. We apologize for this statement, and we don't stand behind those claims.

We love our players and our contributors – and we appreciate their honesty and commitment – we are committed to using this incident to grow and improve.

 

Jointly signed by

Thaine Lyman, 
Product Director World of Tanks
Markus Schill,
General Manager Europe
Jay Cohen,
General Manager North America
Anton Pankov,
World of Tanks Publishing Director

 

https://worldoftanks.com/en/news/general-news/sirfoch-statement/

 

 

the CEO Needs to back this statement up too please.

 



Gothraul #51 Posted May 23 2017 - 18:25

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This doesn't carry much weight, the only way to prove that WG is serous about this is acting in a manner that shows you guys want to reform. Strip the premium equipment and other uber crap from 9.19 ranked mode and start looking at improving legacy tanks in a more timely manner.

 

Way too many legacy grind and premium tanks are under performing with many being gold dependent and older premiums shouldn't be credit burners... Stop with the flood of op premium tanks! Stop trying to milk up for every nickle and dime!



PanzerGruppenstaffe #52 Posted May 23 2017 - 18:25

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The thing you WG clowns gotta realize is that if you punish people **for being right** your franchise is DONE.

 

Instead of PREM tanks with "unique" superior attributes intended to be money grabs (**cough Defender cough**) what you should be doing is selling premium versions of EXISTING TANKS but give them a credit earning boost or preferential MM and unique paint schemes (like cool camo).

 

That way people can play on a level field at all times, but make extra credits with tanks they paid for with real money or spend less time as fodder.

 

SirFoch correctly identified flaws in Prem Tank design and you should thank him for it.


Edited by PanzerGruppenstaffe, May 23 2017 - 22:20.


__Joseph__Joestar__ #53 Posted May 23 2017 - 18:25

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on May 23 2017 - 17:07, said:

 

question.   as you said "While we would obviously not want such content to be associated with any of our games – this video clearly did not."

how did you get to the point where it was thought the video had it.  

 

did the person who gave the address not watch the video?  

were you refering to other videos?(in which case why bring it up here)

 

 

cause i'm seriously confused how you got to that point.  homophobia......it just came out of no where and added gas to the issue.
 

 

I guess the F word and AIDS counts as homophobia.

Gothraul #54 Posted May 23 2017 - 18:26

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View Postt8z5h3, on May 23 2017 - 18:17, said:

 

the CEO Needs to back this statement up too please.

 

 

Without his mark on this or a public statement we can't be expected to believe WG.

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View Postmoogleslam, on May 23 2017 - 12:04, said:

 

Will his Chrysler K video be considered strike 1, and will his Community Contributor rights be reinstated?

I doubt it, and honestly, they shouldn't be.  His comments were way over the line for someone that WG (or any company) would want to associate themselves with.  What I and many others had issue with was the blatant censorship via abuse of the DMCA system and the false accusations of homophobia leveled at him. 

 



G3nst3r #56 Posted May 23 2017 - 18:40

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on May 23 2017 - 11:29, said:

 

it wasn't all on EU's side.

watch jingle's 2nd video

 

WG NA had someone put out a statement about "Hate speech and homophobia"  that broke apart what EU said(and has me wondering what video NA watched...cause it clearly wasn't foch's).   hence this statement in this thread to apologize.   

 

EU started the first, and tried to put it out

but NA tossed gas on it

 

"left hand doesnt know what right hand is doing"

 

The part in Foch's video where he stated the gun had aids....somehow was deemed to be a homophobic slur by whomever issued the statement on behalf of WGNA....not sure where they get the "hate speech" part either.    Personally I think on the EU side, Ph3lon should be canned for putting out the threat and they should fire whomever on our side from WGNA that fanned the flames with their statement, after things were pretty well cleared up the EU side.

Edited by G3nst3r, May 23 2017 - 21:51.


Demonic_Angel_of_Death #57 Posted May 23 2017 - 18:40

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You guys do realize that you, WGNA, Played yourself almost immediately after this started to calm down and resulted in Jingles leaving the CC program right?

Spoiler

 


Edited by Demonic_Angel_of_Death, May 23 2017 - 18:40.


GiggMaster #58 Posted May 23 2017 - 18:41

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View Postt8z5h3, on May 23 2017 - 14:17, said:

 

the CEO Needs to back this statement up too please.

 

 

I think they wish to have different rules for other regions, reason why they have General Manager for EU and NA only signing that (at least that is the way I read).


Edited by GiggMaster, May 23 2017 - 18:43.


Subsequently_Erroneous #59 Posted May 23 2017 - 18:41

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View Post__Joseph__Joestar__, on May 23 2017 - 09:25, said:

 

I guess the F word and AIDS counts as homophobia.

 

WG is stuck in the 1980's 

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It's awesome to see this statement, and I guess I can provide my personal thanks as a fan and a player that you guys have made this statement on the issue so openly and so direct.

 

People do make mistakes and it's great to see a company show honesty, and telling it how it is, but I sincerely hope that perhaps things have been figured out in the staff... and incidents like this don't happen again.






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