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ATankFullOfIdiots #1 Posted May 27 2017 - 06:06

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Horrible maneuverability, no armor, laughable gun? Who thought this was a good idea for a T8 Lt tank?

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Sam_Sanister #2 Posted May 27 2017 - 06:33

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I have the BC 12 T. It's more mobile than the Panzer III E, which I enjoy for its mobility.

It's a light tank, of course armor is not something you should rely on. (Even the Valentines and AMX 40)

Firepower-wise, it's similar to the AMX 13-75 pre 9.18, but with a smaller clip, more pen and ability to mount a VSTAB.

 

Since you played through the AMX 12 T and AMX 13 75, shouldn't you be used to how the French lights play?



johnmadara #3 Posted May 27 2017 - 07:18

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he has 200 wn8 in his amx 13 90 and 400 wn8 in his bc 12t I think its safe to say he has no idea how to play them and spending free xp to climb farther up the line wont make his performance any better... in fact it will do the complete opposite

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DEADLY_WEAPON #4 Posted May 27 2017 - 18:15

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I love mine !!!

QuicksilverJPR #5 Posted May 30 2017 - 17:05

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I actually like the BC 12t.  It's a good light tank, although it is DEFINITELY not a big damage dealer like the 13 90 or the 13 57...

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Yeah I like the BC 12T a lot.  I like the gun though do wish for more alpha or clip potential.  But I guess as a scaled down 1390 it's fine in that regard.  Love the camo and the mobility is fine too.  Not a lot to complain about...it's a typical french LT and fits in the line just fine.

thehelmsman #7 Posted Jun 02 2017 - 19:02

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I did not expect to like this little thing.... but, zut alors, I may roll a fresh crew for it once my girls move up to the Junior Bat Chat. Very fast and stealthy. Feels nice to drive, and absolutely prints Orlik's.

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x2_Weekends #8 Posted Jun 06 2017 - 01:51

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One of the best Tier VIII LT's.  Very comfy to play with a 3 skill crew that has BiA, Camo & Optics.  Sure the gun is a little anemic but it makes up for that in mobility, vision and camo.

ATankFullOfIdiots #9 Posted Jun 07 2017 - 06:10

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View Postx2_Weekends, on Jun 06 2017 - 00:51, said:

One of the best Tier VIII LT's.  Very comfy to play with a 3 skill crew that has BiA, Camo & Optics.  Sure the gun is a little anemic but it makes up for that in mobility, vision and camo.

 

anemic? might as well not even have one. Any tier 8 LT with less than an 88mm is not worth playing. Especially this french pos, it's just another nugget on top of the steaming pile of crap that is the french light tanks line. No armor, No health, No gun. It cant even hold its own against other light tanks. Not enough pen to go against T8 mediums and certainly not good enough to show its face to any heavy or TD. Completely horrible.

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It's a real shame that this tank is in the game -- I have the AMX 12t and was looking forward to the 13 90, but now that its tier 9 I don't want to play a tier 8 tank with the same tier 6 garbage gun on the AMX 12t..

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View PostJman3312, on Jun 07 2017 - 00:28, said:

It's a real shame that this tank is in the game -- I have the AMX 12t and was looking forward to the 13 90, but now that its tier 9 I don't want to play a tier 8 tank with the same tier 6 garbage gun on the AMX 12t..

 

It's not the same gun by a long shot.  If you had bothered to actually look at the stats, you would have seen the difference between the gun the AMX12t uses and the and the gun the BC 12t uses...

Have to love commentary by ignorant posters like this ^^^^



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View PostATankFullOfIdiots, on Jun 07 2017 - 00:10, said:

 

anemic? might as well not even have one. Any tier 8 LT with less than an 88mm is not worth playing. Especially this french pos, it's just another nugget on top of the steaming pile of crap that is the french light tanks line. No armor, No health, No gun. It cant even hold its own against other light tanks. Not enough pen to go against T8 mediums and certainly not good enough to show its face to any heavy or TD. Completely horrible.

 

You wouldn't even know your own rear end if you walked face first into it...which you just did, coincidentally, with the above post.  Just because you're a horrible LT player doesn't mean the rest of us can't make a very effective tank like the BC 12t work...

ATankFullOfIdiots #13 Posted Jun 08 2017 - 01:29

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View PostQuicksilverJPR, on Jun 08 2017 - 00:03, said:

 

You wouldn't even know your own rear end if you walked face first into it...which you just did, coincidentally, with the above post.  Just because you're a horrible LT player doesn't mean the rest of us can't make a very effective tank like the BC 12t work...

 

View PostQuicksilverJPR, on Jun 08 2017 - 00:03, said:

 

You wouldn't even know your own rear end if you walked face first into it...which you just did, coincidentally, with the above post.  Just because you're a horrible LT player doesn't mean the rest of us can't make a very effective tank like the BC 12t work...

 

blah blah blah. Nothing but sour grapes from you. Aww we, did somebody point out how horrible your favorite tank is? The truth is that there are other much better light tanks. The only thing the bat chat 12 t has is view range. I've given several examples of everything I find wrong with this vomitous pile of scrap metal and all you can do is hurl personal insults. You don't have to have 10,000 games played in a tank to assess its value. Mine is fully upgraded and it still sucks. 

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Must be the pilot.  I average around 1,200 dmg and another 1,200 spotting dmg in mine.  Heck my highest dmg game was 3,290...so...yeah...it's not the tank.

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View Postx2_Weekends, on Jun 08 2017 - 00:30, said:

Must be the pilot.  I average around 1,200 dmg and another 1,200 spotting dmg in mine.  Heck my highest dmg game was 3,290...so...yeah...it's not the tank.

 

you know, blind squirrels and nuts. Some people can really play a tank well and some use crutches like gold rounds and premium consumables. For an every day player this thing sucks. But to bring up spotting damage? Really? Crowing about all the damage other people did is kinda lame. And 1200 average damage is good but it shows you use way too much gold rounds. So yeah, good going, LOL!

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View PostATankFullOfIdiots, on Jun 07 2017 - 19:45, said:

 

you know, blind squirrels and nuts. Some people can really play a tank well and some use crutches like gold rounds and premium consumables. For an every day player this thing sucks. But to bring up spotting damage? Really? Crowing about all the damage other people did is kinda lame. And 1200 average damage is good but it shows you use way too much gold rounds. So yeah, good going, LOL!

 

You seem like you're just looking to argue.  You're making a lot of assumptions about players with no factual information.  I don't use ANY gold rounds in that tank thank you.  But doesn't matter.  I can't prove it to you so you'll believe what you want to believe.  And as a LT, yeah spotting dmg is something you SHOULD be doing EVERY game.  That's what makes LT so good.  

 

But as far as what you're saying that some players can play tanks really well and others not so much, that I agree with you. That's true.  I struggled mightily in the Leopard PTA and hate it.  Others like it and do well with it.  But I don't blame the tank. It's me.  Not the tank.  It's just not a good fit for my style of play.  

 

Good luck with your arguing with everyone who says something that challenges your reality.  Seriously, good luck with that.  



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View Postx2_Weekends, on Jun 08 2017 - 00:50, said:

 

You seem like you're just looking to argue.  You're making a lot of assumptions about players with no factual information.  I don't use ANY gold rounds in that tank thank you.  But doesn't matter.  I can't prove it to you so you'll believe what you want to believe.  And as a LT, yeah spotting dmg is something you SHOULD be doing EVERY game.  That's what makes LT so good.  

 

But as far as what you're saying that some players can play tanks really well and others not so much, that I agree with you. That's true.  I struggled mightily in the Leopard PTA and hate it.  Others like it and do well with it.  But I don't blame the tank. It's me.  Not the tank.  It's just not a good fit for my style of play.  

 

Good luck with your arguing with everyone who says something that challenges your reality.  Seriously, good luck with that.  

 

just imagine how well you could do in a real LT with all around better stats and gun like the WZ-132 or the HKW.

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View PostATankFullOfIdiots, on Jun 07 2017 - 20:42, said:

 

just imagine how well you could do in a real LT with all around better stats and gun like the WZ-132 or the HKW.

 

This coming from a guy who can't even average two damaging shots per game in his 13 90, or two or three shots of dmg in ANY light tank for that matter...

 

You're speaking empty words, from a standpoint of zero skill and knowledge in light tanks.  Yeah, you have an opinion...but it is utterly baseless in facts and substance.



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View PostQuicksilverJPR, on Jun 08 2017 - 12:43, said:

 

This coming from a guy who can't even average two damaging shots per game in his 13 90, or two or three shots of dmg in ANY light tank for that matter...

 

You're speaking empty words, from a standpoint of zero skill and knowledge in light tanks.  Yeah, you have an opinion...but it is utterly baseless in facts and substance.

I don't waste any time on tank lines that aren't going anywhere. The entire French light line up is horrible and this tier 8 substitution that they threw at the community is a shadow of what the 13 90 is and I hated that one also. Frankly the VK 28.01 at tier 6 is a better even with the gun nerf. It handles better, with better armor, gets better gun depression with the forward turret and has a more robust track system. The bc12t gets tracked way more easily making you more vulnerable to damage. It can't side scrape any shots and without a vertical stabilizer shooting on the move is laughable. Every other tier 8 lights gun does better alpha damage and none have worse pen even with standard rounds. Throw in a 4 shot magazine with even a short 20 second reload and it still can't go against lights and mediums its own tier or lower. 

Just because you like a tank or you do well in one doesn't mean other peoples views are not valid. It means you are biased and if anyones view should be discounted it is yours. I have given very real unbiased views on this pos tank and all you can say is how well you do in yours. 



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I assume you want a speedy death machine that will take hits from guns fired from heavier platforms ?  Maybe a vehicle that has Formula 1 performance?  Also a gun that will shoot thru the thickest of armors?  Maybe your own armor be lightweight and yet impenetrable (maybe mithril? )  ?  Sorry, but its a light.   As such, it wont drive like most tanks.  Might have to take a moment to ... nvm...  complaining beats learning.




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