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MR_magician_PK #1 Posted Aug 17 2011 - 16:31

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anyone know

Lert #2 Posted Aug 17 2011 - 16:40

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Probably T-55.

Oh, you mean cheapest currently manufactured one? Probably T-90.

Dominatus #3 Posted Aug 17 2011 - 16:57

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Might be the Al-Khalid, if that even counts.

Wolfrum #4 Posted Aug 17 2011 - 16:58

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If you really wanted to nickle and dime it, and ignore the fact that it wasn't the most practical tank (or one we would consider a MBT) the Swedish S-Tank would probably fit the bill.

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John_Clark1 #5 Posted Aug 17 2011 - 17:01

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View PostLert, on Aug 17 2011 - 16:40, said:

Probably T-55.

Oh, you mean cheapest currently manufactured one? Probably T-90.
nah its one of those chinese T-72 copies . probably T98 or something
T-90S the export one is about 4-5.5mil each

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View PostJohn_Clark1, on Aug 17 2011 - 17:01, said:

nah its one of those chinese T-72 copies . probably T98 or something
T-90S the export one is about 4-5.5mil each

I read somewhere that the Chinese Type 99 was something like 2.5 million

Dominatus #7 Posted Aug 17 2011 - 17:17

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Doubt the Type 99 is up for export. The Chinese are apparently saying that it's so expensive that it's reservered for only about 2 or so army units. They Al-Khalid is based on the Type 96, which is a Chinese copy of something Russian I think.

MR_magician_PK #8 Posted Aug 17 2011 - 17:19

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i think t-55

Gigaton #9 Posted Aug 17 2011 - 18:46

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Good info. I'm looking to buy MBT myself. Those Chinese ones do seem interesting. How easy is it to get shells and spare parts as private customer?

Wolfrum #10 Posted Aug 17 2011 - 19:54

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View PostGigaton, on Aug 17 2011 - 18:46, said:

Good info. I'm looking to buy MBT myself. Those Chinese ones do seem interesting. How easy is it to get shells and spare parts as private customer?

I don't think I would even Joke about this.

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View PostGigaton, on Aug 17 2011 - 18:46, said:

Good info. I'm looking to buy MBT myself. Those Chinese ones do seem interesting. How easy is it to get shells and spare parts as private customer?

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Dominatus #12 Posted Aug 17 2011 - 20:30

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You actually can buy an MBT in the US, but nobody would sell you a modern MBT, or probably even a second generation one. There are plenty of ways to get T-55s or maybe even Centurions though.

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View PostDemilichKing, on Aug 17 2011 - 20:15, said:

Congratulations you are now on an FBI watchlist.

I can't be on their watchlist, wrong country and wrong continent. Now as for CIA...  :o

pershinggulf #14 Posted Aug 18 2011 - 04:45

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Chinese Type 98 I think. Clocks in at 3.1 mill USD?

John_Clark1 #15 Posted Aug 18 2011 - 05:21

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on of those yugoslavian tanks , T55 ripoff , T72 upgrade , 1.8-2.2 mil
Al-khalid is not far behind though
the chinese Type56 is dirt cheap in black market .. around <1mil
source: Janes

StugIII #16 Posted Aug 18 2011 - 08:46

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I know its not a MBT but if your looking for something that does not cost much get a wiesel 1.
lol you won't need to find 3 or 4 more ppl to use it and its the size of a smart car with a TOW on top  :Smile-izmena:  :Smile-izmena:  :Smile-izmena:

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View PostJohn_Clark1, on Aug 18 2011 - 05:21, said:

on of those yugoslavian tanks , T55 ripoff , T72 upgrade , 1.8-2.2 mil
Al-khalid is not far behind though
the chinese Type56 is dirt cheap in black market .. around <1mil
source: Janes

Al-Khalid is actually somewhat expensive at nearly 2.6 mil each after the Ukrainian engine upgrade. This is more due to amortization after replacing the old engines, though. Newbuilt Al-Khalids with Ukrainian engine installed from the start should be cheaper. Al-Khalid is an improved design based on a rejected Chinese tank project known as the Type-90 or MBT-2000, not on the Chinese Type-96. The hulls are very different and a cursory glance at the driver's hatch location should tell you this immediately. Ironically enough, the Chinese themselves are still marketing the MBT-2000 as a direct competitor to Al-Khalid.

Actually, none of the Chinese ZTZ-9x tanks is a direct copy of the Russian T-72. They use many of the same components, but they are mostly self-developed and quite different from the Russian T-72/90 family.

The ZTZ-96 (Type 96) hull is based on the Type-88, which is based on the Type-85, which is based on the Type-59, which is a licensed T-54A. Internally, the arrangement is akin to that of a larger, more heavily armored T-54/55, even retaining the ammo storage space on the right side of the forward hull. The turret is developed straight from the Type-85 III turret which was an indigenous Chinese product. The geometry of the Chinese Type-85 III turret is completely different from that of any modern Russian design and internally resembles more closely the traditional T-54/55 geometry. This ironically means that the inside of these tanks is slightly more spacious than that of the Russian T-72 because the T-54/55 of course fitted THREE people in the turret as opposed to two in the Chinese tanks. The external boxy shape is inspired more by Western than Russian designs - most likely due to US help in the form of the Jaguar project - and the modular armor blocks are possibly a legacy of the pre-2001 military cooperation with Israel. However, the ZTZ-96 still suffers from very thin side armor protection behind the boxy front. The VT-1A variant of the Type-96 was offered to Peru in 2009 (as MBT-2000P) and five examples were delivered but it is not clear whether these tanks will equip Peru's armed forces for real because there is now a dispute with Ukraine over the engine for these tanks. The contract was signed in January 2010, though.

The ZTZ-99/99G/99A1 (original Type 99) hull is fully indigenous despite looking superficially like that of the T-72. Internally and externally, the hull is very different because it is much longer and slightly wider. This is because the original Type-99 variants use a huge German MTU diesel with a separate turbocharger section that is not present in Russian and Ukrainian diesels. The rear of the original Type-99s' hull is enclosed and the exhaust of the engine goes out from the right side of the hull instead of the rear as in the T-72. The turret, as in the Type-96, is internally similar in geometry to that of the T-54/55 but externally boxy like in Western tanks. This results in very thick cast walls in the frontal side sections but very thin sides behind the bend, similar to T-72. With the introduction of the ZTZ-99A2, the hull is now practically the same as that of the T-72 in shape and dimensions although there are still some discernible differences (such as lack of self-entrenching blades and a taller rear section). This is due to adoption of Ukrainian diesel engines (or copies thereof - possibly abetted by Pakistan) that allow the vehicle's hull to be shortened. The most important difference, though, is that the Type-99s weigh between 52-56 metric tons. This is heavier than any Russian tank produced after the T-10. The added weight comes from the wider and longer hull and somewhat larger turret of the tank compared to the T-72 family. It doesn't mean they're "better". They're just less weight-efficient than equivalent Russian tanks. The tanks are also more expensive to produce despite a much larger production run than the T-90 family due to these factors. The Chinese Type-99A2 currently in production cost somewhere between 2.8-3.2 million each if reports are to be believed. No variant of the ZTZ-99 is offered for export, although individual components may be.

Where the Chinese do copy the Russians completely is in the weapons systems of these ZTZ-9x tanks. All of them use 125mm guns with exactly the same autoloader arrangement as in the Russian T-72. However, even in this there are differences. The Chinese coupled their weapons to western-style FCS, including an independent 360-degree TI periscope, earlier than the Russians did and use longer DU sabot rounds derived from their Israeli-designed 105mm APFSDS rounds. However, the risks of ammo detonation inherent in all T-72 family tanks is of course still there.

The Chinese Type-59D is still in production for export customers and it's dirt cheap as you say. Why anyone would want to buy them (even if totally broke) is beyond me. However, there is little doubt that this is the damn cheapest real tank money can buy today. Note that some ex-Warsaw-Pact countries do sell T-72 variants cheaper, but these are taken from old stock, not newbuilds. The real newbuilt T-72 copies and upgrades are usually more expensive.

BluefoxP #18 Posted Oct 09 2011 - 10:19

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2nd hand M60A1/3 is my pick even if there is some thing cheaper then it.

AGK #19 Posted Oct 09 2011 - 10:41

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I dont know how much a real tank costs, but for the cheapest i say go for Chinese MBTs, because they well known of producing almost anything from cheapest materials
with acceptable quality and in huge amount of quantity. Currently their technology development is impressive, even though they copy just about everything.


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__gabriel__ #20 Posted Oct 14 2011 - 01:11

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I'm not sure what you people are referring to with the FBI stuff, there are many collectors in the US and around the world who have AFVs. Including Cold war era stuff that is still in service in many countries.