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renamed_player1024943858 #1 Posted Jun 06 2017 - 17:26

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A friend sent me this replay of him bouncing a t92 HE shell off a maus.

 

http://wotreplays.co...4943858-t92_hmc

 

Congratulations WG, you nerfed arty so hard and buffed the maus so much that if you actually hit the thing with the highest alpha damage arty in the game you manage to do 0 damage and you wont even track it.  If the shell had landed next to the maus it would have done splash damage but you see it actually hit it so it does nothing.

 

Another fine game mechanic brought to you by complete incompetence.

 

So a future reminder for all arty players, don't shoot at heavy tanks anymore, it is pointless unless you intend to miss them.



The_Wild_Weasel #2 Posted Jun 06 2017 - 17:27

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I sold most of mine , I was never a great arty player or was inclined to do well in it, I suggest everyone do the same, the game is much better off with out it and WG is moving in that direction to slowly "suffocate" arty players out of the game.

littleleopard12 #3 Posted Jun 06 2017 - 17:37

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View Postrenamed_player1024943858, on Jun 06 2017 - 10:26, said:

A friend sent me this replay of him bouncing a t92 HE shell off a maus.

 

http://wotreplays.co...4943858-t92_hmc

 

Congratulations WG, you nerfed arty so hard and buffed the maus so much that if you actually hit the thing with the highest alpha damage arty in the game you manage to do 0 damage and you wont even track it.  If the shell had landed next to the maus it would have done splash damage but you see it actually hit it so it does nothing.

 

Another fine game mechanic brought to you by complete incompetence.

 

So a future reminder for all arty players, don't shoot at heavy tanks anymore, it is pointless unless you intend to miss them.

 

I haven't watched the replay. but I bet that the T92 is probably shooting AP which would bounce and not to any damage, which also means that the replay was taken before the arty nerf as high tier arty don't get ap shells anymore. 

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View Postrenamed_player1024943858, on Jun 06 2017 - 10:26, said:

A friend sent me this replay of him bouncing a t92 HE shell off a maus.

 

http://wotreplays.co...4943858-t92_hmc

 

Congratulations WG, you nerfed arty so hard and buffed the maus so much that if you actually hit the thing with the highest alpha damage arty in the game you manage to do 0 damage and you wont even track it.  If the shell had landed next to the maus it would have done splash damage but you see it actually hit it so it does nothing.

 

Another fine game mechanic brought to you by complete incompetence.

 

So a future reminder for all arty players, don't shoot at heavy tanks anymore, it is pointless unless you intend to miss them.

 

My heart bleeds for the poor downtrodden arty players.....NOT.     Here's an idea, drive a tank, WoT is at least in theory a TANK game.  Arty is a plague on the game that has become much worse since the 9.18 arty buff.   I would really like to see WG eliminate arty altogether but don't consider that likely, since they want to have something to sell to players that are not competent to drive tanks.

 

Renamed should look up "penetration" and study it thoroughly, it will help him understand why his shells bounce off of heavy armor.



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View Postlittleleopard12, on Jun 06 2017 - 11:37, said:

I haven't watched the replay. but I bet that the T92 is probably shooting AP which would bounce and not to any damage, which also means that the replay was taken before the arty nerf as high tier arty don't get ap shells anymore. 

 

Five seconds... Click the link and READ. That's all it takes to show that the battle was from 9.19, the most recent patch.

 

However, the HE shell probably didn't "bounce" but simply failed to do any damage after explosion because the armour negated the damage. That or it hit the end of the gun barrel, which can easily result in no damage done. I did that to a MAUS last night with my CGC (absolutely no AP/HEAT shells in that thing, ever). It's disappointing, to say the least, but it does happen about every 50 shells or so.

 

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View PostSlappedbyPatton, on Jun 06 2017 - 17:27, said:

I sold most of mine , I was never a great arty player or was inclined to do well in it, I suggest everyone do the same, the game is much better off with out it and WG is moving in that direction to slowly "suffocate" arty players out of the game.

 

Next up on the nerf this out of the game agenda, TDs and then mediums.

 

It all boils down to "WAAAAAA I can't sit in my heavy and win the game just from my mere presence!:



TankGremlin #7 Posted Jun 06 2017 - 17:46

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View PostSlappedbyPatton, on Jun 06 2017 - 16:27, said:

I sold most of mine , I was never a great arty player or was inclined to do well in it, I suggest everyone do the same, the game is much better off with out it and WG is moving in that direction to slowly "suffocate" arty players out of the game.

 

Once I'm done with my personal missions I plan to sell all 3 arties I have. But 2 yrs later and I'm still on the last set of missions for the final rewards tank. I just completed the missions for the T55A. That took me 8 months. :-)

 

So I guess I'll be an arty player for some time longer... :-)



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View Postrenamed_player1024943858, on Jun 06 2017 - 16:26, said:

A friend sent me this replay of him bouncing a t92 HE shell off a maus.

 

http://wotreplays.co...4943858-t92_hmc

 

Congratulations WG, you nerfed arty so hard and buffed the maus so much that if you actually hit the thing with the highest alpha damage arty in the game you manage to do 0 damage and you wont even track it.  If the shell had landed next to the maus it would have done splash damage but you see it actually hit it so it does nothing.

 

Another fine game mechanic brought to you by complete incompetence.

 

So a future reminder for all arty players, don't shoot at heavy tanks anymore, it is pointless unless you intend to miss them.

 

Yes i know , i di dmake a ticlet he told me this ......

Greetings Smooky_Le_chien_husky,

Thank you for getting back to us,

As I understand it, you are inquiring about the changes made to the SPG tanks, SPG tanks cannot one shot most tanks anymore, while most tanks can one shot SPG tanks.

Please note that SPG tanks are changed for balancing purposes, alpha damage is lowered for better accuracy and faster reload times; with the addition of the stun effect, this promotes more team work, while SPG tanks are supporting their team, their team should protect them too.

I will compile and send this to the right department for proper processing and contemplation, rest assured that all feedback are being heard and reviewed.

Thank you for bringing this up to us commander!//////////////////////

For the reloading time i not see the change so i reload always the same minute as before he change


Edited by Smooky_Le_chien_husky, Jun 06 2017 - 17:48.


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View PostBoomer_Thorsen, on Jun 06 2017 - 17:39, said:

 

My heart bleeds for the poor downtrodden arty players.....NOT.     Here's an idea, drive a tank, WoT is at least in theory a TANK game.  Arty is a plague on the game that has become much worse since the 9.18 arty buff.   I would really like to see WG eliminate arty altogether but don't consider that likely, since they want to have something to sell to players that are not competent to drive tanks.

 

Renamed should look up "penetration" and study it thoroughly, it will help him understand why his shells bounce off of heavy armor.

 

If it makes you feel any better i have decided to only xvm snipe, so you dont have to worry about me ever shooting at you unless you are the last enemy on the field.

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View Postrenamed_player1024943858, on Jun 06 2017 - 08:26, said:

A friend sent me this replay of him bouncing a t92 HE shell off a maus.

 

http://wotreplays.co...4943858-t92_hmc

 

Congratulations WG, you nerfed arty so hard and buffed the maus so much that if you actually hit the thing with the highest alpha damage arty in the game you manage to do 0 damage and you wont even track it.  If the shell had landed next to the maus it would have done splash damage but you see it actually hit it so it does nothing.

 

Another fine game mechanic brought to you by complete incompetence.

 

So a future reminder for all arty players, don't shoot at heavy tanks anymore, it is pointless unless you intend to miss them.

 

He was in a T92, lobbing HE which, while a high damage, has abysmal pen; if he hit the tracks theirs a high chance it just got sucked up by the "Spaced armor", given its a maus and he probably hit the thickest part of the armor {the more armor, the less damage], the maus, if he has any brains in his head, is also running a SHSL meaning even LESS damage will be done to him by HE.

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View Postrenamed_player1024943858, on Jun 06 2017 - 17:26, said:

A friend sent me this replay of him bouncing a t92 HE shell off a maus.

Another fine game mechanic brought to you by complete incompetence.

 

  The word "arty" in the title and the phrase "Another fine game mechanic" should not be in the same post together.

DrMrEd #12 Posted Jun 06 2017 - 18:20

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Played my M40/43 a lot over several days -- ran a 55% WR and completed all the SPG missions and got my new girl crew member. Arty is different now, but far from useless or over-nerfed. 

 

But, it's kinda boring, so I'll go back to playing the occasional daily double or jump in when I'm tired of being stunned repeatedly in my heavies ;)

 



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Strange. My WR on my Tier 3 to Tier 10 SPGs is 50%+. And I kill more AFVs with the low and mid Tier SPGs (excepting the M41) than I do with the Tier 10 AMC 155 58 (WR 49%, but I get more DMG with the 155 58).

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View Postrenamed_player1024943858, on Jun 06 2017 - 16:26, said:

A friend sent me this replay of him bouncing a t92 HE shell off a maus.

 

http://wotreplays.co...4943858-t92_hmc

 

Congratulations WG, you nerfed arty so hard and buffed the maus so much that if you actually hit the thing with the highest alpha damage arty in the game you manage to do 0 damage and you wont even track it.  If the shell had landed next to the maus it would have done splash damage but you see it actually hit it so it does nothing.

 

Another fine game mechanic brought to you by complete incompetence.

 

So a future reminder for all arty players, don't shoot at heavy tanks anymore, it is pointless unless you intend to miss them.

 

Great!!!  Now we can just trash arty for good.  Bye bye

Vava_das_SPGs #15 Posted Jun 06 2017 - 18:30

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It's not useless. The thing is that Maus shouldn't be labeled as "tier 10", because it's obvious that after the armor's buff, it's a tier 11.

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View Postrenamed_player1024943858, on Jun 06 2017 - 16:26, said:

A friend sent me this replay of him bouncing a t92 HE shell off a maus.

 

http://wotreplays.co...4943858-t92_hmc

 

Congratulations WG, you nerfed arty so hard and buffed the maus so much that if you actually hit the thing with the highest alpha damage arty in the game you manage to do 0 damage and you wont even track it.  If the shell had landed next to the maus it would have done splash damage but you see it actually hit it so it does nothing.

 

Another fine game mechanic brought to you by complete incompetence.

 

So a future reminder for all arty players, don't shoot at heavy tanks anymore, it is pointless unless you intend to miss them.

 

The entire class of arty is useless just because one of your friends bounced a single shot against a single tank?

 

That claim seems to be lacking in credible evidence.



renamed_player1024943858 #17 Posted Jun 06 2017 - 18:51

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View PostMarkd73, on Jun 06 2017 - 18:46, said:

 

The entire class of arty is useless just because one of your friends bounced a single shot against a single tank?

 

That claim seems to be lacking in credible evidence.

 

so what exactly is the counter to a maus then if not arty?

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View Postlittleleopard12, on Jun 06 2017 - 16:37, said:

 

I haven't watched the replay. but I bet that the T92 is probably shooting AP which would bounce and not to any damage, which also means that the replay was taken before the arty nerf as high tier arty don't get ap shell
  Let's just call it  "WOT happens" and go get a beer.

Edited by Trooper13, Jun 06 2017 - 18:54.


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I didn't watch it but I play artillery occasionally.  If he had a hard time with the Maus, he could have changed targets.

 

However, if the Maus was being engaged by a number of teammates, artillery would be far from ineffective.  Even without dealing HP loss, tracking and other middle damage, along with the stun effect, would put more favor into the Maus being defeated.



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View Postrenamed_player1024943858, on Jun 06 2017 - 12:51, said:

 

so what exactly is the counter to a maus then if not arty?

 

With my Object 261, pre 9.18, it's AP rounds was a great counter.  Now I can only hope to hinder the tank more than damage it, in order for my other teammates to engage it.




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