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Mad_Dog_Seabee #1 Posted Jun 09 2017 - 02:20

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I just watched my kid do a 1v1 and he lost because all his opponents were spamming gold ammo. We can barely afford to rent/bills so we can only buy premium time and gold on occasion and honestly, we aren't so good at this game that we could go Pro so what's the point of these low tier tournaments?

 

I constantly see complaints of players being destroyed by elite tankers with 50,000 battles or more playing low tier battles with a ridiculously geared out tank. I made the false assumption that low tier tournaments were to get new players into the competitive side of Wargaming but I guess I was wrong 100%. From the looks of it, Tournaments at a whole are nothing more than breeding grounds for people with expendable incomes and too much time on their hands.

 

This is now yet another facet of the game that I am not allowed to partake in because I do not possess the income or the time to fund it. What a great marketing scheme. Appeal to the rich, to hell with the middle class and poor. :sceptic:



AndrewSledge #2 Posted Jun 09 2017 - 02:29

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Premium rounds for tournaments are really easy to fund with regular tier 5 games. You don't need a premium account or gold in order to do so. The point of the 1 on 1 tournaments is it's an easy way to earn some gold for free. Just keep working at it, and eventually you'll place and earn something.

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I dont put any cash into the game and I just got first place because 6 people wernt there. Keep trying man. 

_GeorgePreddy #4 Posted Jun 09 2017 - 02:29

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Someone has to pay for the game so that you and your family can play for free (almost).

 

Sorry for your cash flow issue but that's not my problem or the community's problem.



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I was thinking about it a bit more, and I do recall that when I was just starting out, getting equipment for tanks was really expensive and took a long time to earn. Start out with getting binoculars and a camo net that you can move around to each tank, and maybe eventually get  vents for your favorite tanks. At 100k, 100k, and 50k, these are the cheapest, and take a bit of time to save up for when you don't have many tanks at low tiers. Most people in tournaments with a lot of battles will have full equipment on all their tanks, so that will be an advantage.

 

There's really no getting around the fact that a large portion of the game is spent grinding, and getting a system going where you don't have to worry about credits does take a while.



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cry some more. you can get "gold" ammo with credits, play some tier 5 tanks, earn some credits, and quit crying.

 



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Since they allow new players to jump right into higher tiers by purchasing a tier 8 tank, they should allow experienced players to play lower tiers. If you want to limit the tiers for players according to battle count, you will have to be fair and limit it both ways. The game is designed so that as you go past mid tiers, it gets more difficult to earn credits. If you are a free player and need to earn credits, you should be able to do that at tiers 5 and 6 as they are the top credit earning tiers for non premium tanks and account. Some of the best earners are tanks like the Cromwell, T-150, Just about any tier 5 tank etc. Generally you want a tank that has cheap ammo cost for the AP rounds. The T-150 stands out above some of the other tanks at tier 6 for credit earning because of the lower cost ammo on the 107 mm gun for 300 dmg/shot. You basically get more bang for your buck with that gun compared to a lot of others of the same tier. Another great credit earner that I won twice from tank rewards is the tier 4 T-28-FE30 medium tank. That tank seems to earn as much as tier 6 tanks do. I routinely was making 30 k credits (20k non prem)/battle in that tank. I also won the T-34-85M and that tank seems to earn about the same as my non prem Cromwell most of the time but sometimes in a really good battle it earns over 50k profits which my Cromwell never does. Play in strongholds as a legionnaire and it can earn 100k credits in a short time.

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View PostPrivateStash, on Jun 08 2017 - 18:38, said:

cry some more. you can get "gold" ammo with credits, play some tier 5 tanks, earn some credits, and quit crying.

 

I wasn't "crying" my friend just curious has to why these tournaments even exist at such a low tier if the funding curve is so steep.

View Post_GeorgePreddy, on Jun 08 2017 - 18:29, said:

Someone has to pay for the game so that you and your family can play for free (almost).

 

Sorry for your cash flow issue but that's not my problem or the community's problem.

You are right the game is a product made by a company that needs money to further produce and shape it's product and this issue I am having with funding is my own issue. But like I responded to quote above...What's the point?



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View PostMad_Dog_Seabee, on Jun 09 2017 - 02:42, said:

I wasn't "crying" my friend just curious has to why these tournaments even exist at such a low tier if the funding curve is so steep.

You are right the game is a product made by a company that needs money to further produce and shape it's product and this issue I am having with funding is my own issue. But like I responded to quote above...What's the point?

 

the funding curve is not STEEP. it is dirt cheep, as in FREE. learn the economics of the game for free players (use tier 5 tanks to earn credits ahead of time) and stop [edited]that a game you play FREE is somehow cheating you out of more free [edited]. easy peasy. you are not ENTITLED to anything in life except death. use your brain and a little effort to get the other things you want.

 



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View PostMad_Dog_Seabee, on Jun 08 2017 - 20:20, said:

I just watched my kid do a 1v1 and he lost because all his opponents were spamming gold ammo. We can barely afford to rent/bills so we can only buy premium time and gold on occasion and honestly, we aren't so good at this game that we could go Pro so what's the point of these low tier tournaments?

There is absolutely no reason that a free player can't save up enough credits to play a tournament with all gold rounds, all it takes is planning. Depending on how good he is, he can easily earn credits at tiers I-VI, that's how the economy of this game is designed. If you thought that was bad, you would have really hated it in the past when you had to pay money for premium rounds, tournaments used to be truly harsh back then. Nowadays, when everyone can afford premium rounds because you can earn the credits in game, tournaments are a lot more fair.

View PostMad_Dog_Seabee, on Jun 08 2017 - 20:20, said:

I constantly see complaints of players being destroyed by elite tankers with 50,000 battles or more playing low tier battles with a ridiculously geared out tank. I made the false assumption that low tier tournaments were to get new players into the competitive side of Wargaming but I guess I was wrong 100%.

You constantly see complaints of many things, that doesn't make them true, people like to complain. Even looking at your own post it's clearly nonsense, there are very few players with 50,000 battles, much less with 50,000 battles and "ridiculously geared out' tanks at low tiers. The people with that many battles are a) playing at higher tiers or b) playing Clan Wars and higher level tournamens of c) are pretty bad players who slack their way thought tons and tons of battles without ever getting good. The idea of seeing a player with that many battles in a super geared tank playing low tier tournaments is extremely rare, at best.

View PostMad_Dog_Seabee, on Jun 08 2017 - 20:20, said:

Tournaments at a whole are nothing more than breeding grounds for people with expendable incomes (false) and too much time on their hands.

You have just described the vast majority of tournaments in the world, and especially gaming tournaments. Unless they are specifically labeled "newbie tournaments" you should expect to see people who spend a lot of time playing the game, who play it intensely and who play it to win. If you had other expectations then you misunderstood the nature of tournaments.

View PostMad_Dog_Seabee, on Jun 08 2017 - 20:20, said:

This is now yet another facet of the game that I am not allowed to partake in because I do not possess the income or the time to fund it. What a great marketing scheme. Appeal to the rich, to hell with the middle class and poor.

Again, false. There is no aspect of the game that is off limits. There are lots of free players who have played Company Battles, Skirmishes, Clan Wars and Tournaments over the years and have done very well at them. Everything your son wants to do he can do for free, he just has to plan properly and be prepared to play against people who are there to win.



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it even that hard and other then the H35, you really didn't need gold ammo (which you can buy with credits)

 

sounds to me like you are just bad at the game and you don't know which tanks are good



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If you are running an auto-loader in a tier 1-3 tourney and shooting gold, you will most likely lose A LOT for credits - even if you win.

If you cannot afford to do that - don't.


 

There are plenty of tanks you can run in a low tier tourney that will not cost you anything.

T1, H35, Cruiser 2.


 

Unless and until WG has "ranked tourneys"  Play smart and do not look for "fair" as it has nothing to do with a 1v1 tourney.


 

YMMV



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View PostMad_Dog_Seabee, on Jun 08 2017 - 18:20, said:

I just watched my kid do a 1v1 and he lost because all his opponents were spamming gold ammo. We can barely afford to rent/bills so we can only buy premium time and gold on occasion and honestly, we aren't so good at this game that we could go Pro so what's the point of these low tier tournaments?

 

I constantly see complaints of players being destroyed by elite tankers with 50,000 battles or more playing low tier battles with a ridiculously geared out tank. I made the false assumption that low tier tournaments were to get new players into the competitive side of Wargaming but I guess I was wrong 100%. From the looks of it, Tournaments at a whole are nothing more than breeding grounds for people with expendable incomes and too much time on their hands.

 

This is now yet another facet of the game that I am not allowed to partake in because I do not possess the income or the time to fund it. What a great marketing scheme. Appeal to the rich, to hell with the middle class and poor. :sceptic:

 

Hello Mad_Dog_Seabee,

 

Tournaments are intended as a semi-competitive venue for all players. They are run at all tiers, to provide variety. Newer players are always welcome to participate in any of our tournaments. However, due to the semi-competitive nature, players are likely to bring a competitive loadout - Premium ammo, Premium consumables, equipment.

 

This doesn't mean someone without a competitive loadout cannot or should not participate. The 1v1 Throwdowns are great for new tournament players, as the top 7 players in each group will earn at least some gold. As others have mentioned, this tournament has a higher no show rate than any of our other tournaments.

 

While the prizes don't pay out as deeply, y'all are welcome to try out the Platournaments. The Platournament has special tournament rating for all players. When a new team participates, they face off against other new teams, before being added to the general tournament population. This can be a good way to get your feet wet; however, even new tournament teams may still bring a competitive loadout.

 

I hope that you aren't too discouraged or frustrated and will continue to participate in tournaments in the future. As an ex-tournament player who lost a lot, sticking with it can be fun!



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View PostMad_Dog_Seabee, on Jun 08 2017 - 17:20, said:

I just watched my kid do a 1v1 and he lost because all his opponents were spamming gold ammo. We can barely afford to rent/bills so we can only buy premium time and gold on occasion and honestly, we aren't so good at this game that we could go Pro so what's the point of these low tier tournaments?

 

I constantly see complaints of players being destroyed by elite tankers with 50,000 battles or more playing low tier battles with a ridiculously geared out tank. I made the false assumption that low tier tournaments were to get new players into the competitive side of Wargaming but I guess I was wrong 100%. From the looks of it, Tournaments at a whole are nothing more than breeding grounds for people with expendable incomes and too much time on their hands.

 

This is now yet another facet of the game that I am not allowed to partake in because I do not possess the income or the time to fund it. What a great marketing scheme. Appeal to the rich, to hell with the middle class and poor. :sceptic:

 

i was there at one time or another but that is the only time i use gold rounds is tournaments or CW's rest of the time it sstandard ammo

use what you can use eventually you will be able to use gold rounds down the road

Hope this helps

Tell him good luck



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The point of 1v1 is to get good a dueling and learning what tanks are most effective in such

scenarios at that tier.  Tiers 1-4 are so cheap that you can own multiple tanks and play

rock paper scissors against your opponents.  Tier 5 is where things get pricey, but typically

as a rule of thumb heavies are the way to go.  If you want help winning 1v1 tournaments, I

can help you.  Just PM and we'll chat about what to do to make your life easier...



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View PostMad_Dog_Seabee, on Jun 08 2017 - 18:20, said:

I just watched my kid do a 1v1 and he lost because all his opponents were spamming gold ammo. We can barely afford to rent/bills so we can only buy premium time and gold on occasion and honestly, we aren't so good at this game that we could go Pro so what's the point of these low tier tournaments?

 

I constantly see complaints of players being destroyed by elite tankers with 50,000 battles or more playing low tier battles with a ridiculously geared out tank. I made the false assumption that low tier tournaments were to get new players into the competitive side of Wargaming but I guess I was wrong 100%. From the looks of it, Tournaments at a whole are nothing more than breeding grounds for people with expendable incomes and too much time on their hands.

 

This is now yet another facet of the game that I am not allowed to partake in because I do not possess the income or the time to fund it. What a great marketing scheme. Appeal to the rich, to hell with the middle class and poor. :sceptic:

 

1) Just showing up can get you (or your kid) gold. Many people don't show up and those are technical victories as long as you have readied up.
2) Premium rounds do not require gold, switch them over from gold to credits. 
3) Income has no bearing on how well you do in this game. It saves time, it is not pay to play (with the possible exception of the new tier 8 premium heavies). 



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Tournaments are a way to spam premium ammo and lose a lot of credits in a chance to earn free gold. Thus, you are essentially converting credits and time into gold if your gameplay is at least semi-competent.

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even spamming full gold in tier 10 1v1 tournaments you only lose about 20k on a win... go do strongholds for literately one minute to get that

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Play a decent credit making tech tree tank and you'll be able to refund all that gold ammo without an issue.

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View PostMad_Dog_Seabee, on Jun 09 2017 - 01:20, said:

I just watched my kid do a 1v1 and he lost because all his opponents were spamming gold ammo. We can barely afford to rent/bills so we can only buy premium time and gold on occasion and honestly, we aren't so good at this game that we could go Pro so what's the point of these low tier tournaments?

 

I constantly see complaints of players being destroyed by elite tankers with 50,000 battles or more playing low tier battles with a ridiculously geared out tank. I made the false assumption that low tier tournaments were to get new players into the competitive side of Wargaming but I guess I was wrong 100%. From the looks of it, Tournaments at a whole are nothing more than breeding grounds for people with expendable incomes and too much time on their hands.

 

This is now yet another facet of the game that I am not allowed to partake in because I do not possess the income or the time to fund it. What a great marketing scheme. Appeal to the rich, to hell with the middle class and poor. :sceptic:

 

lol lost 250k credits ( 3 games in super perishing) playing my t55a using all gold and food with a 4 perk crew almost lost to another t55a



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