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9.20 Supertest of Rebalanced Vehicles: French tanks


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dance210 #1 Posted Jun 22 2017 - 22:08

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Today we are sharing more information about the French tanks being tested on the Super Test.

 

First, we take a look at the updated versions of Tier IX and X medium tanks - AMX 30 1er prototype and AMX 30 B.


These vehicles are similar to the German tier X Leopard in terms of the gameplay - snipers firing from the maximum distance. The differences in characteristics are minor and in fact the vehicles are very similar. The announced changes should separate the game roles of the tanks: French mediums will no longer be long-range snipers and will function as a medium distance support tank.


Characteristics updates will be similar for both vehicles. We plan to revise the following characteristics:

  • Turret armor. We will significantly increase the front armor of these vehicles. The fixes are aimed at increasing the survival rate of these vehicles. Due to the decreased distance in battles it’s necessary to strengthen turret armor in order to keep the survival rate of the vehicle at the same level. However, we should understand that the tank won’t turn into an invulnerable monster firing from behind the hills. 
  • Adjustments of gun fire parameters. Fire parameters of AMXs will be rebalanced, adding more stabilization and damage per minute to the gun so that the tanks could battle more effectively at a medium distance moving around the battlefield. But we will decrease fire effectiveness at a long distance with a standard shell penetration of 247 mm, and gun accuracy of 0.34. 

 

         

 

Next, we will share some information about the French tank destroyers at tiers VIII, IX and X.


The purpose of these changes is updating vehicles for the current conditions of Random battles. The changes will affect their firepower, mobility and armor. 

  • The most important – on the Super test the vehicles will have 120-mm gun with a magazine loading system. TDs of Tier VIII and IX will have magazines, and Tier X will get a top gun instead of the 155-mm one it had before.
  • Increased side armor. Armor thickness will be increased in order to increase vehicles protection. Three caliber rule will no longer be so ultimative for the French TD.
  • Mobility. The mobility of the top vehicle will be taken as a basis and will be transferred to TD of Tier VIII and IX with corresponding adjustments.

 

       

 

 

Finally, during the Super Test the Game Balance team will check the viability of changing the role of the Medium tank Bat.-Châtillon 25 t.


The purpose of these changes is to better distinguish between magazine heavy tanks and Batchat. The gun changes will increase the comfort of firing due to better aiming parameters, but will significantly decrease the chances of destroying same-tier medium tanks with one magazine. We intend to make the vehicle more comfortable, allowing more mistakes when firing – missing one shell out of six will be less fatal than missing it with the previous magazine. Moreover, the reloading time of shells in the magazine and of the magazine in general will be decreased, which will give players the opportunity to effectively realize the fire potential of the tank.  


Improved accuracy and aiming time will not only increase the quality of firing, but will potentially influence on vehicle’s survival rate, as the time required for a shot will be decreased and the tank will correspondingly be less under their opponent’s fire.


Bat.-Châtillon 25 t. has also been transferred into the HD-quality.

 

 

These are the main changes with the French tanks that will be tested on the Super test today. Please, note that the adjustments are note final and might be changed by the results of the tests.

 

 



Harkonen_siegetank #2 Posted Jun 22 2017 - 22:14

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Any word on mid tier french TD? They suck, rebalance them too. As for MTs....them cupolas made the buffs rather unnoticed.

bubbleboy264 #3 Posted Jun 22 2017 - 22:19

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The TD changes are nice and well overdue, but the bat chat changes are unnecessary and ruin the uniqueness of it among mediums ,along with the AMX 30 changes, although the tier 10 did need a buff. 

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Give my elc back.

churchill50 #5 Posted Jun 22 2017 - 22:25

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I'll just put the thoughts I have put on other threads in here:

 

So, to sum up the changes to the AMX 30/30B:

Lets nerf a ton of stuff on the AMX 30B and completely change its entire playstyle.

We'll also only give it 247 pen, which is utter crap.

In exchange, lets give it some decent turret armor, but totally forget to remove/buff the cupola so that turret armor buff is worthless.

 

TD changes:

The line has needed a bunch of changes for a while. However, I won't judge whether these changes will be good or not. I am not and never have been a TD player of even passing ability, so I am not a good judge of these changes.

 

Bat Chat changes:

Why did this tank need to be changed at all? If you look at the statistics:

This compares winrates of all tier 10 tanks:

http://www.vbaddict....t_ratio&server=

The Bat Chat is #24 out of 50

 

This one is the winrates of all tier 10 medium tanks:

http://www.vbaddict....t_ratio&server=

Bat Chat is #9 out of 16

Neither of those point to it being anything more than an average, pretty well balanced, medium tank.

If you want to go for an OP tank, go for the Maus, the tank that literally allows all skill levels of players to gain 5-6% winrate.

Plus, the pen change to 252/278 is absolutely retarded. 

 

GG WG, well played. Nerfing the AMX 30B and Bat Chat 25t, two of the tier 10s I really wanted and had female crews for.

I am so done with this game at this point. Probably going to uninstall if these changes aren't undone. At this point, I just wish I could have 3-marked a tank or gotten to purple stats before I left.

 

I am afraid we are seeing the return of the massive pen nerfs to tier 10 mediums that were talked about last year on the sandbox server. However, this time they'll just change them one at a time instead of all at once.



CapPhrases #6 Posted Jun 22 2017 - 22:26

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oh wow making tanks more suitable for brawling in the corridor maps rather than making more varied maps.... how surprising.

also your attempts at armor are laughable with the GIGANTIC cupola on those meds.



bubbleboy264 #7 Posted Jun 22 2017 - 22:29

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Yeah, these changes are some of the most retarded decisions WG has ever made, and that says something 

Gravtech #8 Posted Jun 22 2017 - 22:30

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Good thing you took away the Bat's 105mm, I don't what I would do if there was a difference at all between the tier 9 and 10. 

sedgsx #9 Posted Jun 22 2017 - 22:31

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I appreciate that the AMX 30 and 30B are now going to have depressingly low penetratrion compared to pretty much every other tier X medium out there, and the newerish similar tier IX mediums. I'm iffy on the tier IX pens being changed but I don't see why the tier X needs such a nerf.

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Was the AMX 30 changes really needed?

CapPhrases #11 Posted Jun 22 2017 - 22:34

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View Postmadogthefirst, on Jun 22 2017 - 16:31, said:

Was the AMX 30 changes really needed?

 

Well of course comrade! because they are played when stronk tier X Russian hovermeds are available. this will show you the error of your ways.



Sam_Sanister #12 Posted Jun 22 2017 - 22:34

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View Postbubbleboy264, on Jun 22 2017 - 15:29, said:

Yeah, these changes are some of the most retarded decisions WG has ever made, and that says something 

 

Well, only on the mediums.
WG turned the TDs from great to terrible with overnerfs way back.
Here's hoping the TDs get some of their former glory back. :)

pukalo #13 Posted Jun 22 2017 - 22:42

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Murazor needs to be replaced

Noivy #14 Posted Jun 22 2017 - 22:42

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The whole gun "rebalance" with the batchat is just proof that wargaming needs to fire the idiot known as Murazor. Almost all of the core problems I have with the game can be traced to him, and I don't even have a batchat.

Avalon304 #15 Posted Jun 22 2017 - 22:44

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Not a fan of the Bat Chat changes: All it needs is to lose a 105mm shell, lose the appropriate amount of reload time and gain some better handling to account for the lost shell. (This change needs to also be made to the Bat AP)

 

Unsure about the AMX 30 and 30b changes. Dont really know if they need any changes at all.

 

Wont really comment on the TD changes. Never played them, dont intend to.



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View PostCapPhrases, on Jun 22 2017 - 14:26, said:

oh wow making tanks more suitable for brawling in the corridor maps rather than making more varied maps.... how surprising.

also your attempts at armor are laughable with the GIGANTIC cupola on those meds.

 

at least its cupola is better than m48

 

 



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One question:  AMX 40....  Where are the buffs?

8bit_Gamer #18 Posted Jun 22 2017 - 22:54

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Finally, the AMX 30B changes have been a long time coming! The community have been asking for something to be done with this tank since....never?

/sigh

hector1470 #19 Posted Jun 22 2017 - 22:56

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View Postdance210, on Jun 22 2017 - 22:08, said:

  • Turret armor. We will significantly increase the front armor of these vehicles. The fixes are aimed at increasing the survival rate of these vehicles. Due to the decreased distance in battles it’s necessary to strengthen turret armor in order to keep the survival rate of the vehicle at the same level. However, we should understand that the tank won’t turn into an invulnerable monster firing from behind the hills.

The Stalinium Bias Hovermediums seem to be exactly this with no downsides. It looks like it won't bounce anything with that armor "buff" you gave it either way. Your balancing associates are monkeys. 



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So WG has decided to do away with the 155mm gun for the TDs. So the Foch 155 is just the Foch at Tier 9 with an auto-loader, the Foch 120A just like the IS-3A. Wasn't that tried on the sandbox server, and roundly disliked. Why go beyond the AMX AC Mlle 48, tank doesn't change anymore beyond that now. The Foch 155 was a good TD before the original nerf, now there is no reason to own 1.

The changes to the mediums look to be another cop out to make heavy tank players happy so less snipers out there. Changes to the leopards are coming next. Must make all tanks types play the same. Get ride of the fast medium flankers to give the new tier 9 and 10 light tanks something to due.

Not impressed with wargaming changing the high tier game mechanics to fit the bad concept of the new light tanks.






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