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9.20 Supertest of Rebalanced Vehicles: German tanks


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virgil133 #21 Posted Jun 28 2017 - 19:13

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Buff T-30????

PLEASE.....



Vampiresbane #22 Posted Jun 28 2017 - 19:16

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Dance, feel free to pass this along.

The balancing team doesn't know a #$%^ thing about what to balance.  And I say that mostly respectfully.

The issue isn't the gun.  It's the buffed armor.

Roll back the armor changes.  Keep the gun changes.  Done.


 

Any decent tanker will be able to use the armor effectively as they could prior to the armor buffs.


 

I'd like to keep playing this game until Camelot Unchained goes into Beta testing, but it's crap like this that makes me wonder if I'll even last that long.

 

In other news, the jgtiger8.8 changes could help that tank play better.  Its lack of mobility was something to behold.



Demonic_Angel_of_Death #23 Posted Jun 28 2017 - 19:26

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View Postblazer285, on Jun 28 2017 - 11:35, said:

That's all can you fix the pz vii gun mantel so that it isn't 170mm of armor that i penned in my is6 before 

 

Bigger issue: Stop platooning Pref 8's with non Pref 8s...

YANKEE137 #24 Posted Jun 28 2017 - 19:38

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View PostMacDaddyMatty, on Jun 28 2017 - 18:20, said:

My Pz3K is hiding in my garage.

 

It wants preferred MM for Christmas.

I told it "No, you've been naughty... I guess".

 

Drop it a tier and it will be ... C+

Hans_Mo1eman #25 Posted Jun 28 2017 - 20:13

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Am I the only one who wishes to see the in game Maus suffer from the obvious design flaws that the real rank would have been plagued by (6.4hp/t and turret face armour of 220mm for example).

 

It is strange and annoying to me that very successful tank designs tested in real battlefields (ex. centurion, tiger 2, t54) are hopelessly outmatched by this impractical monstrosity that shows up in almost every teir 10 battle now. Of course I get it this is wot, half of the teir 10 tanls are fake or embellished versions of blueprints and real tanks don't battle 15 v 15 inside a 1km square death ring.  I do still enjoy the game but would enjoy it more if driving the Maus could better reflect the actual hell it might have been to command this absurd Nazi machine.



dave1y #26 Posted Jun 28 2017 - 20:26

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View PostBrassFire, on Jun 28 2017 - 13:12, said:

50mm? That's... Not good. I can understand nerfing it a bit but removing 200mm is just ridiculous. The Traktor can pen that!

 

I suppose if the Maus is sitting on top of your Traktor you maybe could shoot straight up and pen it.  Please read with comprehension.

lordawesome7 #27 Posted Jun 28 2017 - 20:36

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View PostBrassFire, on Jun 28 2017 - 13:12, said:

50mm? That's... Not good. I can understand nerfing it a bit but removing 200mm is just ridiculous. The Traktor can pen that!

 

its the underbelly, 50mm is still a lot compared to other tanks which have 20-30mm at most and at what point besides flipping yourself will the underbelly be exposed

scyorkie #28 Posted Jun 28 2017 - 20:46

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View Postlordawesome7, on Jun 29 2017 - 03:36, said:

its the underbelly, 50mm is still a lot compared to other tanks which have 20-30mm at most and at what point besides flipping yourself will the underbelly be exposed

 

How much more damage will the Type 5 do by splashing on the ground beneath the Maus?



blazer285 #29 Posted Jun 28 2017 - 20:46

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View PostDemonic_Angel_of_Death, on Jun 28 2017 - 18:26, said:

 

Bigger issue: Stop platooning Pref 8's with non Pref 8s...

 

na bro the bigger issue I penned a pz 7 4 times in a row with regular ap shooting his gun

Mad_Dog_Seabee #30 Posted Jun 28 2017 - 21:03

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View PostThe_World_Needs_A_Hero, on Jun 28 2017 - 09:49, said:

The baddies who don't know how to aim for weak spots have been heard! 

 

The ones who cannot afford APCR/HEAT you mean, right? lol

 

Can't aim? Too lazy to aim? Press 2! :trollface:



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OP needs to clarify that 50mm is the bottom bottom of the tank and not the lower plate...

pukalo #32 Posted Jun 28 2017 - 21:39

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Can you buff the Jagtiger's lower plate to 120 mm like the JT 88?

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View Postdance210, on Jun 28 2017 - 11:31, said:

Tankers,

 

This time, on the Supertest server, we will be testing some changes to the Tier IX and X super-heavy German tanks on the Maus branch as well as the Tier VIII Premium tank destroyer 8,8 cm PaK 43 Jagdtiger.

 

German heavy tanks

Let’s start with the top of the line. Recently the technical characteristics of the Maus have been changed which resulted in a significant boost to its battle effectiveness. After having checked your feedback and statistics carefully, we decided to do some updates and to adjust the capabilities of this vehicle.

What will be changed? The Maus will retain its core quality of being an armored fortress, despite the fact that its firepower and amount of hit points will be decreased. We will also fix the thickness of the armor of the hull bottom from 250 mm to 50 mm.

 

 

The situation with the Mäuschen is a bit different. We want to help you with your efforts in researching Tier X, so we will test a variant of the Mäuschen with increased mobility on the standard suspension. Thanks to this change, the Mäuschen will be more comfortable to play and it will be easier to completely research it.

 

8,8 cm PaK 43 Jagdtiger

We will also revise the characteristics of the Jagdtiger 8,8. Its mobility will be improved and brought to the level of its researchable counterpart: Tier IX Jagdtiger. There will be no longer a situation where vehicles with the same weight and engine power have different mobility.

 

THANK GOD FOR THAT LAST BIT! I am one of the owners of that tank and feel like its very noticeable downgrade from the Jagdtiger which I also own (even though I love it to pieces). Thank you so much for this. I honestly feel like them not tinkering with older premiums so they aren't power-crept on isn't that great of a policy. (The E25 doesn't quite feel as accurate as it used to be over the course of the many changes made, but that might be just me...)

I am with leftist though, "will this be enough?" is the question indeed for the Jagdtiger 88.


 

As for the maus and mauschen changes, we'll see.
 



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As someone who has a lot of aging and outright dated German premiums I am thankful for the slight buff to the JT88 but on tap it shows that the bloom is 20% worse and that I am not happy with. JT88 needs all the help it can get and it needs to be able to snap shot every now and then.

 

Please for the love of God don't neglect the junky mediums like the pz3k.



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View PostNovaTempest, on Jun 28 2017 - 20:57, said:

 

THANK GOD FOR THAT LAST BIT! I am one of the owners of that tank and feel like its very noticeable downgrade from the Jagdtiger which I also own (even though I love it to pieces). Thank you so much for this. I honestly feel like them not tinkering with older premiums so they aren't power-crept on isn't that great of a policy. (The E25 doesn't quite feel as accurate as it used to be over the course of the many changes made, but that might be just me...)

I am with leftist though, "will this be enough?" is the question indeed for the Jagdtiger 88.


 

As for the maus and mauschen changes, we'll see.
 

 

 

I would like to also add, in addition another medium premium for those who own it can relate and understand this clearly would be the Panzer IV Kpfw. (S) Schmalturm  Which seriously needs a lot of work.  I keep thinking as with some parties earlier would the JT 8.8 need a small Alpha adjustment +, aiming, also maybe Armor buff as well?  Because, when they speak of a speed buff, it concerns me  that perhaps they might be thinking in terms of mobility, which is a good thing; however one trait of this tank was that it had "Good Frontal Armor" to hold down Choke Points for example. And it's rate of fire would hold positions with armor etc.  Speed is good for relocating or mobility for many various reasons etc. However it concerns me that the historical characteristics of the tank are being changed for the sake of conforming to the changed meta only?  Time will tell however?  Perhaps, some other soft stats changes, such as hull traverse, an other factors would help also?  Any other suggestions?



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View PostBrassFire, on Jun 28 2017 - 11:12, said:

50mm? That's... Not good. I can understand nerfing it a bit but removing 200mm is just ridiculous. The Traktor can pen that!

 

All tanks in the game have terribly thin underbelly armor... Maus was the only one that had ludicrously thick underbelly.

 

Besides, when are you actually going to shoot its underbelly, unless the tank rolled? (Actually, that's exactly why they're changed it; people couldn't penetrate a Maus that had rolled).



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View Postdave1y, on Jun 28 2017 - 20:26, said:

 

I suppose if the Maus is sitting on top of your Traktor you maybe could shoot straight up and pen it.  Please read with comprehension.

 

View Postlordawesome7, on Jun 28 2017 - 20:36, said:

 

its the underbelly, 50mm is still a lot compared to other tanks which have 20-30mm at most and at what point besides flipping yourself will the underbelly be exposed

 

I figured it out now. No need to be a prick.

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View PostScorpiany, on Jun 28 2017 - 22:45, said:

 

All tanks in the game have terribly thin underbelly armor... Maus was the only one that had ludicrously thick underbelly.

 

Besides, when are you actually going to shoot its underbelly, unless the tank rolled? (Actually, that's exactly why they're changed it; people couldn't penetrate a Maus that had rolled).

 

Yeah, checked other posts and got it. Now I'm confused as to why it was 250mm in the first place.

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View PostScorpiany, on Jun 28 2017 - 22:45, said:

 

All tanks in the game have terribly thin underbelly armor... Maus was the only one that had ludicrously thick underbelly.

 

Besides, when are you actually going to shoot its underbelly, unless the tank rolled? (Actually, that's exactly why they're changed it; people couldn't penetrate a Maus that had rolled).

 

I killed a T95 in the old 13 90 that way on the long gone north west map with just ap shells, it was defending spawn (the one that had direct access to the train tracks and bridge) and it was parked in such a way I was able to clip through without needing to flank to the sides or rear. Got called a hacker lol.

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View Postscyorkie, on Jun 28 2017 - 12:46, said:

 

How much more damage will the Type 5 do by splashing on the ground beneath the Maus?

 

Easy way to find out is to shoot the bottom of a Mauschen which has 50mm of hull floor armor. I can't do it myself atm due to [edited]ping etc.




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