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otacon237 #21 Posted Jul 17 2017 - 22:31

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View Postjoshww2legoguy, on Jul 17 2017 - 21:13, said:

Tldr

 

unga bunga. Game survive from sell t8 tanks. But t8 now crap to play. Wut tank companee doo now? *drags knuckles*. Did I dumb it down enough?

otacon237 #22 Posted Jul 17 2017 - 22:32

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I think what he meant was, they should be balanced like regular tier 8s

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Using this logic 6's should be balanced to fight 8's.....

 



Mad_Dog_Seabee #23 Posted Jul 17 2017 - 22:35

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View Postotacon237, on Jul 17 2017 - 13:23, said:

Anyone remember that article that came out a few months back where victor kislyi basically admitted that they put themselves in a corner where the game was on life support....and the sales of premium tanks were that life support? And which tier contains the best and most profitable premiums? why, tier 8 of course! And which tier is now the biggest most stagnant cesspool of horribad constant bottom tier mm and unbalanced tanks? WHY YES JIMMY, IT'S THE SAME TIER!!:facepalm: you can almost see why the newest prems are so OP and being compared to tier 9s by their critics, THEY'RE MEANT TO COMPETE WITH 9s and 10s!! Duh! How did that not dawn on me before. So now that WOT 's profitability is likely shot in the foot, how do yall think they will respond? How do you think they SHOULD respond? A few options I see potentially occurring: Increasingly op premiums. Rollback 3-5-7. Bring back pref mm and make all tier 8 prems pref (they could do this since it would only be a buff and not a Nerf), but risky for future development. Tier 9 and 10 prems. Continue in blissful ignorance. I'd like to generate some intelligent discussion on this. WG devs might wanna tune in, you might actually learn something. Sorry for nonexistent paragraphs structure, my phone wont let me put in tabs for some reason

 

I do not remember this interview, could you please cite a source?

MountainLion1 #24 Posted Jul 17 2017 - 22:40

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Since update 9.18 was released I stopped buying premium tanks, no need to when they are bottom tier 80-90% of the time. They don't make credits like they use to, that's a fact. The good thing is that I have started using the "free to play" option on this game and I have had a lot more fun. Now I play mainly Tier IX and X but I hope Wargaming fixes tier VIII again some day, it use to my favorite tier to play.

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Havock_1 #25 Posted Jul 17 2017 - 22:42

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I just wish they would fix the fooked servers...

8bit_Gamer #26 Posted Jul 17 2017 - 22:43

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View PostDevildog8, on Jul 17 2017 - 20:30, said:

its very salty on these forums today

 

I taste no salt other than your post. Troll away please.

 

It's something I haven't thought about before. I do remember that interview and tier 8 is certainly horribad right now. 

 

If what he said is true about being on life support, a roll back of 3-5-7 would certainly be needed. Why not just do 5-5-5. That would help eleviate the constant bottom tier problem as well as spread the carry potential to more of the team. This 5-5-5 spread would still prevent you from having only higher tier tanks to shoot at as was one of the main concerns with the previous MM.



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View Postotacon237, on Jul 17 2017 - 21:31, said:

 

unga bunga. Game survive from sell t8 tanks. But t8 now crap to play. Wut tank companee doo now? *drags knuckles*. Did I dumb it down enough?

 

Hahahahahah! So good!



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Alternative reduce the power Gap between tiers so Botton tiers don't end fighting tanks with twice as much health, alpha, pen etc. 

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Hmm, intriguing. But that would require a global rebalance, and we've seen how WG goes about balancing individual tanks let alone entire tiers.

View Postpepe_trueno, on Jul 17 2017 - 22:06, said:

Alternative reduce the power Gap between tiers so Botton tiers don't end fighting tanks with twice as much health, alpha, pen etc.

 



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View Postotacon237, on Jul 17 2017 - 15:31, said:

View Postjoshww2legoguy, on Jul 17 2017 - 21:13, said:

Tldr

 

unga bunga. Game survive from sell t8 tanks. But t8 now crap to play. Wut tank companee doo now? *drags knuckles*. Did I dumb it down enough?

:medal: Here is a medal for this post. Lol! 



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View Post8bit_Gamer, on Jul 17 2017 - 21:43, said:

 

I taste no salt other than your post. Troll away please.

 

It's something I haven't thought about before. I do remember that interview and tier 8 is certainly horribad right now.

 

If what he said is true about being on life support, a roll back of 3-5-7 would certainly be needed. Why not just do 5-5-5. That would help eleviate the constant bottom tier problem as well as spread the carry potential to more of the team. This 5-5-5 spread would still prevent you from having only higher tier tanks to shoot at as was one of the main concerns with the previous MM.

 

true, 5/5/5 would by default mean no tier is getting a preference in a particular match. But it would be a harsher bottom tier fight than 3/5/7. I wouldn't mind if the mm focused on 5/10 games, but that would basically make pref mm truly irrelevant.

Kerosedge #32 Posted Jul 17 2017 - 23:49

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Tier 1/2/3 5/5/5 mm
T 4/5/6 5/5/5 mm
T 7/8/9 3/8/4 mm
T X fluctuate between 3/7/5 and 3/8/4 50/50%

Pref T8 tanks go 3/8/4 50% on top 50 bottom.
Fixed.

8bit_Gamer #33 Posted Jul 18 2017 - 00:11

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View Postotacon237, on Jul 17 2017 - 22:21, said:

 

true, 5/5/5 would by default mean no tier is getting a preference in a particular match. But it would be a harsher bottom tier fight than 3/5/7. I wouldn't mind if the mm focused on 5/10 games, but that would basically make pref mm truly irrelevant.

 

It's the answer WG refuses to hear... +/-1 MM. This does seem to be the simplest and most player friendly solution. At least to me...



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View Postotacon237, on Jul 17 2017 - 21:23, said:

Anyone remember that article that came out a few months back where victor kislyi basically admitted that they put themselves in a corner where the game was on life support....and the sales of premium tanks were that life support?

 

No...

 

I don't remember any such article...

 

Please link to it or cite your source, otherwise everything else you said means nothing.



Da_Craw #35 Posted Jul 18 2017 - 00:25

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Personally, I enjoy the game more now than any time since I started playing in 2014.  The actual client experience is loads better.  HD client, physics, new sounds, many more tanks.  What has changed for the worse is the demographic.  It feels like the game has clumped toward tier 8, but that may just be feelz.   I presume it is primarily due to the additional earning capacity of the T8 premiums.  A bonus to the earning of a tank along the lines of the x2 daily for xp might encourage people to move to their lower tier premiums and tech tree tanks more often.  I know WG is trying to eliminate a huge credit glut, but simultaneously making the higher tiers more expensive and giving a small (1.3-1.5) boost for the first win earning on lower tier premiums would smooth out the population curve.  We already have a similar system for xp on premiums with the sliding scale.  Make that apply to credits earned on the first win also.   

Shadora #36 Posted Jul 18 2017 - 00:37

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The game has become unplayable after patch 9.18 for me due mostly to the MM changes that leave you bottom tier the majority of the time and middle tier a good portion of the time.  It is nonsense.

 

The company failed because it didn't listen to what players asked for, but instead did what they thought would make them the most money as quickly as possible.  A book could be written on how not to do business from what this company has been doing.  They essentially shot themselves in the foot, got gangrene on said foot, then a rabid squirrel bit the foot off and the person died from bleeding out.

 

This game could have lasted for years and years profitably, but the company got greedy and now they are paying the price for making the mistake of letting accountants and bean counters run a company into the ground faster than it should have.

 

The solutions are obvious and simple though, but do not expect any rollbacks or sensible fixes.  That would prove them wrong and you will never see that from this company.  What they will do is predictable however.  They will continue to say the MM is getting better and just needs minor tweaks and they will continue to sell premium tanks that are OPed.  That is all they know how to do.

 

I can think of some great things they could do with the current OPed tanks to right the wrongs and also how they could make easy cash without having to create new premium tanks in the future every month, but in their minds, premium tanks are the only way to make money because the company has a one track mind.

 

Another option for them is a WoTs 2, where you start from scratch again without any premiums, but I highly doubt it would take off after the mess they created with their player base.  Each day that passes they are just making their players more and more upset.


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Another thing to add.  The game right now is not fun at all and there is zero balance to it.  I can't take it seriously anymore and couldn't care less if I do well or not.  I just drive around and when I bounce two shots I know the slot machine RNG will dictate who wins or loses so nothing I do matters anyway and I look for a deadly encounter to end the game and hope in the next game I'm not bottom tier again like in the other 85% of my games.

 

The games are terrible and the slot machine RNG is destroying any credibility to the game.  This is a luck based game and it gets old bouncing 200mm pen shots off the side of 40mm tanks.


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I haven't even been playing for a full year and I think the game has improved considerably in that time. Sure, the OP premiums, super heavy meta, and lack of maps are annoying, but the the HUD has improved significantly, the spotting system is vastly better, artillery is more forgiving, and you no longer have to play as a solitary tier V scout in a solid tier 8 match.

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View Post_GeorgePreddy, on Jul 17 2017 - 17:19, said:

 

No...

 

I don't remember any such article...

 

Please link to it or cite your source, otherwise everything else you said means nothing.

 

You mean THIS one?

https://www.polygon....-world-of-tanks

 



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View Post_GeorgePreddy, on Jul 17 2017 - 15:19, said:

 

No...

 

I don't remember any such article...

 

Please link to it or cite your source, otherwise everything else you said means nothing.

 

View PostBurning_Haggis, on Jul 17 2017 - 20:59, said:

 

You mean THIS one?

https://www.polygon....-world-of-tanks

 

 

Yeah, I read it. Not sure where you or the other dude got anything about premiums and life support from. 




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