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SpectreHD #21 Posted Jul 26 2017 - 02:56

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Could have just nerfed premium ammo but nah... too easy. Lets just buff turret armour instead. The more unhistorical changes the better.

 

Since this game is becoming more fantasy everyday, can we have the Valkyria Chronicle tanks now?



madogthefirst #22 Posted Jul 26 2017 - 04:39

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View PostSpectreHD, on Jul 25 2017 - 17:56, said:

Could have just nerfed premium ammo but nah... too easy. Lets just buff turret armour instead. The more unhistorical changes the better.

 

Since this game is becoming more fantasy everyday, can we have the Valkyria Chronicle tanks now?

NO!



Postal_Monkey #23 Posted Jul 26 2017 - 04:42

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Literally anything WG posts is instantly disparaged and yelled about as sh!t. It's so funny. I'm waiting for the inevitable "Why buff the British tank when the (insert whatever tank line here) needs a buff much more than this line does?!?!?!111" response :D

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View PostAvalon304, on Jul 25 2017 - 17:46, said:

Wargaming. [edited] stop! The British mediums dont need [edited] turret armor. They didnt need the speed buff you wrongly gave them either. [edited] stop buffing crap on tanks that doesnt need buffing. They need DPM and handling buffs.

 

Let's suppose for the sake of conversation that the Centurions weren't getting armor buffs and were instead getting better gun handling and DPM. Wouldn't that make them more generic rather than less? For the record I'd be satisfied either way. I just want the damn things to be worth their salt.

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View Postmadogthefirst, on Jul 26 2017 - 11:39, said:

NO!

 

NO U!

Jarms48 #26 Posted Jul 26 2017 - 06:58

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*sigh* Just another change removing any kind of historical accuracy from the game. 

Avalon304 #27 Posted Jul 26 2017 - 09:09

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View PostMikosah, on Jul 25 2017 - 20:42, said:

 

Let's suppose for the sake of conversation that the Centurions weren't getting armor buffs and were instead getting better gun handling and DPM. Wouldn't that make them more generic rather than less? For the record I'd be satisfied either way. I just want the damn things to be worth their salt.

 

No it wouldnt. It would cement them into their role as support mediums, that can poke a ridge, quickly shoot and pull back. Them getting armor buffs is the thing making them more generic pushing them into a face tanking hull down role (like every other tank seems to be now).

 

Armor is the lazy buff for players who dont want to have to think about how they play their tanks.



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Yeah so whats my Kr going to get. The Fv has a better hull and turret.

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Is it just me, or are all these turret buffs just going to end with two teams of tanks hull-down spamming gold rounds at each other?

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View PostAvalon304, on Jul 26 2017 - 02:09, said:

 

No it wouldnt. It would cement them into their role as support mediums, that can poke a ridge, quickly shoot and pull back. Them getting armor buffs is the thing making them more generic pushing them into a face tanking hull down role (like every other tank seems to be now).

 

Armor is the lazy buff for players who dont want to have to think about how they play their tanks.

 

I do actually agree that armor causes just as many problems as it solves (if not more) for the game as a whole. But the more obvious problem for the game seems to be why the typical play is so passive and how it can be encouraged to be more direct and aggressive. And in terms of mediums, even something like a T-62a for example that's more or less indestructible when in a proper hull-down, still gets treated as just another support medium no less frequently than it is any other role. In light of that, I have little reason to believe the Centurions' roles are going to change significantly (if at all) when they receive any of the buffs that have been proposed lately, turret armor, gun performance, or otherwise. 

 

The only thing that stands to change is that a big fat target made of ammo racks and bad DPM might finally get some asset that makes it worth the numerous drawbacks. It really doesn't matter what the buff is, it just needs something, anything.



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Interested to see if the Brit heavies also get a buff of some sort. Turret and/or gun upgrades to the FV201 and Caernarvon would be great. A gun upgrade to the BP would not be terrible either. I'd like to see the base 20 pounder on the FV201 and BP and a base 105 on the Caernarvon. 

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Good changes WG! These tanks needed some love! 

 

Brit Heavies next please?



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View PostJarms48, on Jul 26 2017 - 05:58, said:

*sigh* Just another change removing any kind of historical accuracy from the game. 

 

The hit boxes around the front sprockets of the Churchill tanks would like a word with you please. Thanks! 



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View PostGravtech, on Jul 25 2017 - 19:35, said:

That's a pretty big buff to the fv4202, how many tanks at tier 8 will be able to pen that turret without gold?

 

Turrets should be pretty hard to pen on mediums are hard as hell on heavies, not paper thin and everything can pen and ammo rack at will like most British and American tanks.

Edited by Tahllol, Jul 27 2017 - 00:01.


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View PostMikosah, on Jul 26 2017 - 11:05, said:

 

I do actually agree that armor causes just as many problems as it solves (if not more) for the game as a whole. But the more obvious problem for the game seems to be why the typical play is so passive and how it can be encouraged to be more direct and aggressive. And in terms of mediums, even something like a T-62a for example that's more or less indestructible when in a proper hull-down, still gets treated as just another support medium no less frequently than it is any other role. In light of that, I have little reason to believe the Centurions' roles are going to change significantly (if at all) when they receive any of the buffs that have been proposed lately, turret armor, gun performance, or otherwise. 

 

The only thing that stands to change is that a big fat target made of ammo racks and bad DPM might finally get some asset that makes it worth the numerous drawbacks. It really doesn't matter what the buff is, it just needs something, anything.

 

AHAHAHAHA!!! Nobody with a brain treats any of the RU hovermediums as support mediums. They are some of the best frontline mediums in the game. Some of the best mediums for wolfpacking around the map. They arent ever second line support.

 

The Centurions, really, dont need anything right now, if we get down to it. They didnt need the speed buffs they got before either. All they needed was the DPM boosts (and the 7/1 still needs a slight one because it still lages behind every other tier 9 medium), but if it came down to it, and WG said "no more Centurion buffs" they would be just fine as they are now.

 

As it is, the Centurions are becoming generic face tank mediums just like every other tank in the game because players are too lazy or too stupid to learn their tanks and nobody should want any tank to become generic. The Pattons are becoming just as generic (getting their unneeded buffs), the RU mediums too.

 

 



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View PostAvalon304, on Jul 27 2017 - 13:02, said:

 

AHAHAHAHA!!! Nobody with a brain treats any of the RU hovermediums as support mediums. They are some of the best frontline mediums in the game. Some of the best mediums for wolfpacking around the map. They arent ever second line support.

 

The Centurions, really, dont need anything right now, if we get down to it. They didnt need the speed buffs they got before either. All they needed was the DPM boosts (and the 7/1 still needs a slight one because it still lages behind every other tier 9 medium), but if it came down to it, and WG said "no more Centurion buffs" they would be just fine as they are now.

 

As it is, the Centurions are becoming generic face tank mediums just like every other tank in the game because players are too lazy or too stupid to learn their tanks and nobody should want any tank to become generic. The Pattons are becoming just as generic (getting their unneeded buffs), the RU mediums too.

 

Makes me wonder what WG will do to the Leopard 1.

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View PostBeastsOfBattle, on Jul 27 2017 - 05:17, said:

Interested to see if the Brit heavies also get a buff of some sort. Turret and/or gun upgrades to the FV201 and Caernarvon would be great. A gun upgrade to the BP would not be terrible either. I'd like to see the base 20 pounder on the FV201 and BP and a base 105 on the Caernarvon. 

 

If the FV201 gets the same turret buff as the Centurions it's going to have better turret armour than the Black Prince.... You might as well give the Black Prince the 20-Pdr now seeing as that its armour was the one thing going for it.

 

View Postdigitails, on Jul 27 2017 - 08:33, said:

The hit boxes around the front sprockets of the Churchill tanks would like a word with you please. Thanks! 

 

What's that have to do with historical accuracy? And they got rid of those hitboxes ages ago, they just count as spaced armour now.

 


Edited by Jarms48, Jul 27 2017 - 16:13.


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View Postmadogthefirst, on Jul 25 2017 - 22:39, said:

NO!

 

 I rather have the Valkyria tanks than the Chinese TD line that BS in so many ways, and at this rate I won't be surprise they sell Valkyria tanks latter this year cause after all, they said Chinese TD was exclusive to china server back in march, and now there not. They could easily make it happen to the Valkyria tanks.

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View PostAvalon304, on Jul 26 2017 - 23:02, said:

 

AHAHAHAHA!!! Nobody with a brain treats any of the RU hovermediums as support mediums. They are some of the best frontline mediums in the game. Some of the best mediums for wolfpacking around the map. They arent ever second line support.

 

The Centurions, really, dont need anything right now, if we get down to it. They didnt need the speed buffs they got before either. All they needed was the DPM boosts (and the 7/1 still needs a slight one because it still lages behind every other tier 9 medium), but if it came down to it, and WG said "no more Centurion buffs" they would be just fine as they are now.

 

As it is, the Centurions are becoming generic face tank mediums just like every other tank in the game because players are too lazy or too stupid to learn their tanks and nobody should want any tank to become generic. The Pattons are becoming just as generic (getting their unneeded buffs), the RU mediums too.

 

 

 

And yet most of the player base don't even realize there ever was a difference between frontline mediums and support mediums. They never needed to. Any medium can fill the support role in a pinch. But frontline brawling and wolf-packs demand much more specialized machines. Its a one-sided relationship, the brawlers can support whenever they want to, but the support mediums make terrible brawlers. Which is precisely why the Centurions deserved buffs, whatever specialized niche they have by possessing good base spread and high stock pen can be imitated by any of their respective peers that are willing to load gold.

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View PostMikosah, on Jul 27 2017 - 18:58, said:

 

And yet most of the player base don't even realize there ever was a difference between frontline mediums and support mediums. They never needed to. Any medium can fill the support role in a pinch. But frontline brawling and wolf-packs demand much more specialized machines. Its a one-sided relationship, the brawlers can support whenever they want to, but the support mediums make terrible brawlers. Which is precisely why the Centurions deserved buffs, whatever specialized niche they have by possessing good base spread and high stock pen can be imitated by any of their respective peers that are willing to load gold.

 

Thats because most of the playerbase is retarded.

 

And if you think these buffs, and ANY of the top tier medium buffs recently announced are a good thing you are part of the problem and are part of the reason why this game is going in very troubling directions.







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