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Rework the Cupola(s) on the Foch 155, Foch, and AMX AC 1948


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Vanatorr #1 Posted Jul 31 2017 - 02:08

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Hello,

I would like to make a request to Wargaming to rebalance the cupolas on the three top-tier French Tank Destroyers. I feel when playing these vehicles, the dual cupolas(three on the 1948) are very hindering and frustrating during gameplay, due to how easy they are for enemy vehicles to hit and penetrate, even for inaccurate guns. Since you are currently rebalancing these vehicles, I thought I better make this request now. 

 

​In my opinion, I would buff the small mini-turret's armor greatly to make it much harder to penetrate, and then angle the second turret and lessen its size. This would be for the Foch and Foch 155. For the 1948 I would increase the armor on the front cupolas, and maybe angle the rear AA turret more.

 

Anyway, that's my opinion, I hope it helps, and maybe be at least somewhat ​implemented. Thank you for your time.

Let me know what you guys think below. As always, please be constructive and helpful in your comments, and give me your solid opinions. Thanks!



Gothraul #2 Posted Jul 31 2017 - 02:10

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Make them smaller or change it to where they are like the ears on the T29 then problem solved.

Vanatorr #3 Posted Jul 31 2017 - 02:12

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View PostGothraul, on Jul 30 2017 - 17:10, said:

Make them smaller or change it to where they are like the ears on the T29 then problem solved.

 

Yes, I like the "ears" idea. That could be very interesting...maybe even angle them slightly...

Edited by Vanatorr, Jul 31 2017 - 02:12.


HisNameWasSethRich #4 Posted Jul 31 2017 - 02:13

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Well. I think the tank needs to have some obvious weakspot. But yeah, I agree the tanks are quite easy to pen but i think that can be fixed by just sniping.

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View PostGothraul, on Jul 30 2017 - 19:10, said:

Make them smaller or change it to where they are like the ears on the T29 then problem solved.

 

Those are no ears. They are the rangefinder. 

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View Post9Gag_Warrior, on Jul 30 2017 - 17:13, said:

Well. I think the tank needs to have some obvious weakspot. But yeah, I agree the tanks are quite easy to pen but i think that can be fixed by just sniping.

 

​Yes, but there is a difference between obvious, and easily taken advantage of/penetrated/hit...

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View Post__WARDADDY_, on Jul 30 2017 - 17:18, said:

 

Those are no ears. They are the rangefinder. 

 

​Lol. Which is exactly what the other wide cupola on the Foch is, I believe...

Edited by Vanatorr, Jul 31 2017 - 02:20.


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View Post9Gag_Warrior, on Jul 31 2017 - 02:13, said:

Well. I think the tank needs to have some obvious weakspot. But yeah, I agree the tanks are quite easy to pen but i think that can be fixed by just sniping.

 

Considering that even after the buff coming up, their side and rear armor are huge and paper-thin, I don't think that having a set of head-tits that a stock tier 5 gun can penetrate aren't really helping their 'least-played TD line' status.

 

Second, these things have thick frontal armor and mobility. Built for mid-line support- problem is, they don't have the health for it (the tier 8 especially). Their guns aren't set up for sniping, either. The aimtime is too long and the bloom too much on gun traverse, even with equipment, to be viable.

 

My suggestion would be boost the armor on the cupolas by maybe 20-30 mm, maybe decrease their size slightly, and then boost their health a little bit- 15% on the AC 48 (from 1000 to 1150 [for Foch's sake it's tied for second-least HP at that tier, when the German equivalents have 1100, 1150, and 1500 respectively!]), and 10% or so on the Foch and Foch 155/50 B (1550 to 1650 and 1850 to 2000 would be a good starting point for each).



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View PostPupsrus13, on Jul 30 2017 - 17:24, said:

 

Considering that even after the buff coming up, their side and rear armor are huge and paper-thin, I don't think that having a set of head-tits that a stock tier 5 gun can penetrate aren't really helping their 'least-played TD line' status.

 

Second, these things have thick frontal armor and mobility. Built for mid-line support- problem is, they don't have the health for it (the tier 8 especially). Their guns aren't set up for sniping, either. The aimtime is too long and the bloom too much on gun traverse, even with equipment, to be viable.

 

My suggestion would be boost the armor on the cupolas by maybe 20-30 mm, maybe decrease their size slightly, and then boost their health a little bit- 15% on the AC 48 (from 1000 to 1150 [for Foch's sake it's tied for second-least HP at that tier, when the German equivalents have 1100, 1150, and 1500 respectively!]), and 10% or so on the Foch and Foch 155/50 B (1550 to 1650 and 1850 to 2000 would be a good starting point for each).

 

​Yes, possibly. I don't know if I would go for the 2000 and 1850 on the foches. The Object 704 is Russian and has 1700. I think that would be better for the AMX 50 Foch, while 1900-1950 would work better for the Foch 155...that's my opinon anyway...

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View PostVanatorr, on Jul 31 2017 - 02:29, said:

 

​Yes, possibly. I don't know if I would go for the 2000 and 1850 on the foches. The Object 704 is Russian and has 1700. I think that would be better for the AMX 50 Foch, while 1900-1950 would work better for the Foch 155...that's my opinon anyway...

 

Eh, fair enough, but the AC 48 does need a bit more health. 1000 just isn't enough- every light tank of the same tier has more.

 



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View PostPupsrus13, on Jul 30 2017 - 17:42, said:

 

Eh, fair enough, but the AC 48 does need a bit more health. 1000 just isn't enough- every light tank of the same tier has more.

 

 

​Well, not anymore. Most of the tier 8 LTs have 1000... But yes, I believe the 1948 needs moe hp...

Edited by Vanatorr, Jul 31 2017 - 02:43.


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View PostVanatorr, on Jul 30 2017 - 19:19, said:

 

​Lol. Which is exactly what the other wide cupola on the Foch is, I believe...

 

yep

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Jesus Christ, one tank get a MG Turret reduction now everyone think their's needs it too.

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View Postmadogthefirst, on Jul 30 2017 - 18:49, said:

Jesus Christ, one tank get a MG Turret reduction now everyone think their's needs it too.

 

​We're trying to be constructive here sir, please stop it. And what MG turret are you even talking about?

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AMX AC Mle.48 in 9.20 Thus far

Pros

+ Aim time buff

+ Dispersion reduction buff

Cons

- No work was done to improve the effectiveness of its armor by removing what are essentially pointless parts of the tank from the damage model. Have these damage the optics when hit, not the HP.

- Base accuracy of the 120mm was made even worse, meaning even fully aimed you'll have a fun time missing, and for a small magazine auto-loader that's just another kick to the balls.

- For a tank with a gigantic rangefinder on top its view range is absurdly low, even the new Chinese Tier 8 TD has 370m view range despite having no rangefinder, and being much shorter, 48 also has 370.

- Camouflage values still remain terrible, unlike the ISU-152, or the Ferdinand, the 48 lacks a 'big gun' to balance out terrible camouflage, the auto-loaders 2.7s inter-magazine fire rate doesn't supplant a big gun, it just makes you more exposed overall.

 

So currently the AMX Mle.48 has...

  • Terrible view range
  • Terrible survivability
  • Terrible camouflage
  • Ineffective firepower

Edited by Konigwolfen, Aug 04 2017 - 09:28.


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View PostVanatorr, on Jul 30 2017 - 19:12, said:

 

Yes, I like the "ears" idea. That could be very interesting...maybe even angle them slightly...

 

They are already "ears" if you hit the sides of the T shaped cupola it is a no damage pen.

 

I own the foch 155 and im perfectly ok with those weakpoints remaining. We dont need more tanks with no frontal weaknesses please and thank you. 

 

48' just needs a freaking gun, that's all.

 

what they should do is add autoloader options to the 100mm and the 90mm with 4 and 6 shots respectively. And shorter reloads/better handling if you choose to use the smaller gun. The 100mm with 4 shells could have something akin to a T57heavy reload speed of about 23ish seconds? with better aim time and base accuracy. and the 90mm could be the same reload speed but you have 6 shells to fire. 


Edited by _Bagheera_, Aug 07 2017 - 05:29.





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