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capted77 #1 Posted Aug 09 2017 - 21:57

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Russian tanks are one of the most dominant tanks in the game . And they are getting buff WG . I could think many other tanks that could us a buff intend of the broken IS7 or broken t54 

Trooper13 #2 Posted Aug 09 2017 - 22:02

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What's the use.


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moon111 #3 Posted Aug 09 2017 - 22:04

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Soviet tank, the best tank.

 

Seriously have you ever seen special match-making for a guy with bad stats in the Churchill?  I haven't.

But how many times have I seen a KV-1 getting 'lifted' with the match-maker in a one-sided battle that

no computer algorithm could possible come up with unintentionally.  Next time you're on Himmelsdorf,

and the enemy has a bunch of O-I's and AT's while your team is made of mush tanks... you'll see a Russian

tank on the other side that desperately needs a carry stat-wise.  

 

 



JavaJunkie8b #4 Posted Aug 09 2017 - 22:07

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Neither of those tanks are broken.   The T-54 requires lots of gold spam to even compete...201 pen on a T9 tank thats treated like a heavy as far as MM goes is a recipe for disaster if you don't have lots of gold rounds to compensate.  Try using only AP in the T-54 and watch your win rate drop.  The IS7 is the lowest HP heavy with the only redeeming factor being the turret.  It's kinda sad when you only have 300 more HP than a medium tank with way worse gun stats and 0 camo.



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View Postcapted77, on Aug 09 2017 - 20:57, said:

Russian tanks are one of the most dominant tanks in the game . And they are getting buff WG . I could think many other tanks that could us a buff intend of the broken IS7 or broken t54 

 

plenty of other non russian tanks are getting buffed... idk why you delude yourself into thinking russian tanks that arnt buffed for years would still be the best tank after dozens and dozens of other tanks are buffed between that time


Edited by johnmadara, Aug 09 2017 - 22:12.


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View Postcapted77, on Aug 09 2017 - 13:57, said:

Russian tanks are one of the most dominant tanks in the game . And they are getting buff WG . I could think many other tanks that could us a buff intend of the broken IS7 or broken t54 

 

Aren't the British TD's getting a buff also?

 



Ken_McGuire #7 Posted Aug 09 2017 - 22:18

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1) The T-54 is just getting back a tough turret that it used to have instead of the troll one it has now. Yes, it is also getting a pen buff, but with the armor buffs, the AP pen for the new T-54 hardly seems excessive. It is, in fact. still lower than many of its peers, balanced by having its HEAT round. It is probably not the tier 9 that needed a buff the most, but having SOME real gun choice is a good thing.

 

2) IS-7 has not been viewed by better players as one of the better tier 10 HT's. It may be one of the more newbie friendly ones, but with the terrible gun handling and both AP and premium pen, it has not been viewed as having one of the WORST skill ceilings for good players. Giving a bit of a gun handling buff hardly looks game breaking.

 

It is certainly questionable if the Pattons needed buffs also. Yes, the M48 is not meta for organized play, but with the gun handling and dpm, many good players have viewed them as very strong tanks for randoms.



capted77 #8 Posted Aug 09 2017 - 22:19

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View PostJavaJunkie8b, on Aug 09 2017 - 16:07, said:

Neither of those tanks are broken.   The T-54 requires lots of gold spam to even compete...201 pen on a T9 tank thats treated like a heavy as far as MM goes is a recipe for disaster if you don't have lots of gold rounds to compensate.  Try using only AP in the T-54 and watch your win rate drop.  The IS7 is the lowest HP heavy with the only redeeming factor being the turret.  It's kinda sad when you only have 300 more HP than a medium tank with way worse gun stats and 0 camo.

 

T_54 has another gun you know oh wait people chose that gun to shoot heat emmo because of how broken is the dpm 

 

IS7 has the most trollish armor in the game .it had low hp because of how many shoot s it bounced 

 



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View Postcapted77, on Aug 09 2017 - 14:19, said:

 

T_54 has another gun you know oh wait people chose that gun to shoot heat emmo because of how broken is the dpm 

 

IS7 has the most trollish armor in the game .it had low hp because of how many shoot s it bounced 

 

 

Are you kidding me?


The T-54's other gun was objectively worse than the 201 pen gun that everyone used. Plus, they both have the insane 330 pen HEAT round, so people spam HEAT either way. I personally like the gun changes, since they will make you choose between a gun with dpm and gun depression and a gun with penetration and gun performance, instead of having one gun that is obviously better.

As far as the turret changes, they're just bringing the T-54's turret back to what it was before the tank went HD.

Now, will the T-54 now be one of the better tier 9 mediums? Yes, I would say it will. However, that will not make it broken. I would say that the M46 Patton (especially with its turret armor buffs) will be a better tier 9 medium, with better gun performance, alpha, dpm, view range, and gun depression. It also has tanks such as the Obj 430 version II, AMX 30 1er, WZ-120, Skoda T50, and Type 61 to contend with, all of which are strong tanks.

 

As far as the IS-7, the armor was only troll if you had no knowledge of it. If you took 30 seconds to look it up on tanks.gg, you could easily see how to pen it. 

There is a reason you see very few IS-7s nowadays. They have been massively powercreeped, especially by the 113 and WZ-111 5A. In my opinion, these buffs will differentiate its roll from the Chinese heavies and help to make it a competitive tank again, while not making it overpowered.

For the OP's benefit, here is the hitbox model of the IS-7, so you can study it and find out how to pen it. It's easier than you think:

https://tanks.gg/v0920ct/tank/is-7/model



HOTA_CHATON #10 Posted Aug 09 2017 - 22:31

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View Postcapted77, on Aug 09 2017 - 14:57, said:

Russian tanks are one of the most dominant tanks in the game . And they are getting buff WG . I could think many other tanks that could us a buff intend of the broken IS7 or broken t54 

 

​Have you forgotten that this is a Russian based game and that it is actually a matter of national pride?  They take this game way more seriously than anyone else does and it means everything to them so yeah what did you expect?

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View Postcapted77, on Aug 09 2017 - 12:57, said:

Russian tanks are one of the most dominant tanks in the game . And they are getting buff WG . I could think many other tanks that could us a buff intend of the broken IS7 or broken t54

 

It because they don't know how to design and build maps!

mrmojo #12 Posted Aug 09 2017 - 23:39

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T-44's are the only russians getting buffed. WG had a re-think. Check out Rita's blog.

churchill50 #13 Posted Aug 09 2017 - 23:43

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View Postmrmojo, on Aug 09 2017 - 15:39, said:

T-44's are the only russians getting buffed. WG had a re-think. Check out Rita's blog.

 

I'm sorry, but I don't see anything like that. If you could link the article, that would be nice.

 

EDIT: While I couldn't find anything like that on ritastatusreport, I did find something on thearmoredpatrol.

Apparently, they are only changing the T-44 and T-54. They mentioned not changing the Obj 140 this patch. However, the IS-7, ISU-152, Obj 704, and Obj 268 are not mentioned at all, so I am guessing they are staying the same.


Edited by churchill50, Aug 09 2017 - 23:45.


mrmojo #14 Posted Aug 09 2017 - 23:43

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Ritastatusreport.live

Oh yeah and aimbot allegations (lets roll the videotape!) as well.

mrmojo #15 Posted Aug 09 2017 - 23:45

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View Postchurchill50, on Aug 10 2017 - 06:43, said:

 

I'm sorry, but I don't see anything like that. If you could link the article, that would be nice.

 

Sht sorry, go to thearmoredpatrol.com #2 of the first article.

 

Aimbot thing is on Ritas. My bad.



churchill50 #16 Posted Aug 09 2017 - 23:48

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View Postmrmojo, on Aug 09 2017 - 15:45, said:

 

Sht sorry, go to thearmouredpatrol.com #2 of the first article.

 

Aimbot thing is on Ritas. My bad.

 

ah, cool. Thanks for clearing that up. I had already looked at thearmoredpatrol luckily, as you will see in the edit to my original post. 



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Yet the Leopard, which should be a superior tank in mobility, firepower, and firepower on the move due to it's lack of armor still suffers.  Probably all the vids of Leopards outclassing RU mediums in trials on YT.  I mean they can't even give it the best DPM to make up for it, instead, they give that to the 30B now?

Hippowolf #18 Posted Aug 10 2017 - 04:24

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The stats on the Russian mediums do not line up with your assertion.  Check the winrates on those tanks as compared to their piers.  

 

The Leopard 1 needs some love.  



Tupinambis #19 Posted Aug 10 2017 - 12:07

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The T-54 changes actually count as a nerf for people who spam HEAT in it [which, frankly, seems like most T-54 players].

 

Right now they can spam HEAT [ignore the low standard pen] and get great DPM, accuracy and gun handling. Now they can get EITHER great DPM OR accuracy and gun handling, not both.



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View PostTupinambis, on Aug 10 2017 - 04:07, said:

Right now they can spam HEAT [ignore the low standard pen] and get great DPM, accuracy and gun handling. Now they can get EITHER great DPM OR accuracy and gun handling, not both.

 

Realistically its a buff... the DPM gun is still gonna be better. Base accuracy is a pretty irrelevant stat. and the DPM gun has better dispersion values and a not terrible aim time. And you still have 330 HEAT to fall back on... so... EDIT: And the DPM gun gets an extra degree of depression.


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