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WarhammerYYC #21 Posted Aug 11 2017 - 22:06

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Matilda OP? Now I've seen everything. Great ROF - low alpha, slow as molasses. Needs a definte play style to work properly otherwise it too gets eaten for lunch. 

Hualalai #22 Posted Aug 11 2017 - 22:28

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I love my Matilda to death, but my tier 4 Luchs eats them for lunch.

 

And against a tier 6, yeah, no.



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Aim for the flat part on the front of the hull. That is your best frontal location to pen. If you don't have the accuracy either load HE, flank around or relocate as it can't chase you. Never ever get into a DPM battle with a Matilda, always peek a boom. Hope that helps



BrassFire #24 Posted Aug 13 2017 - 04:34

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View PostGjeaneman, on Aug 11 2017 - 12:17, said:

im playing in my Type 95 heavy and then a matilda came i shot gold did not pen shot gold again and did not pen, our M4 shoots it, does not pen and then the matilda [edited] our team with out taking any [edited]dmg

 

The Matilda is very strong when applied correctly- that is, milking its armor profile to the fullest and abusing the absolutely awesome RoF. I think mine has a reload of 1.86 seconds. That's over 30 or so 121 pen, 55 damage rounds going flying.

 

Also early Japanese tanks are awful. I know your pain. Power grind for the O-I though; the O-I Exp. will lose its best gun in 9.20 and you'll want to get through it fast.


Edited by BrassFire, Aug 13 2017 - 04:35.


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View PostCan_O_Meat, on Aug 13 2017 - 02:42, said:

Aim for the flat part on the front of the hull. That is your best frontal location to pen. If you don't have the accuracy either load HE, flank around or relocate as it can't chase you. Never ever get into a DPM battle with a Matilda, always peek a boom. Hope that helps

 

I got into a DPM battle with one yesterday.

 

In my SU-100. :trollface:



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View PostDuqe, on Aug 11 2017 - 14:17, said:

Fun fact;

 

Historically, the Char B1 Bis has something well over 90mm of armour penetration, but in true Wargaming tradition, they [edited] it.

 

The B1 and S35 should be a lot more deadly than they are.

 

I WANT THIS NOW

donalson99 #27 Posted Aug 13 2017 - 05:39

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I have a love hate... haven't played it in at least a year prob more... but when I did and was a light greenie I enjoyed side scraping and playing KV1 derps shooting AP lol... angle it and it can have decent armor... but where it really shined was the needle gun that someone else mentioned... that little 6lber just dumps out shots and has great pen for it's tier... and eventually the dmg does add up... I still recall a fun game in it with 3 tog IIs on the other team... I did over 1600 dmg to that platoon... 

 

 



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View PostDuqe, on Aug 11 2017 - 06:17, said:

Fun fact;

 

Historically, the Char B1 Bis has something well over 90mm of armour penetration, but in true Wargaming tradition, they [edited] it.

 

The B1 and S35 should be a lot more deadly than they are.

 

Another Fun fact is that, historically, the Matilda had 17 degrees of gun depression.

 

The Matilda is a beast because, if you deign to put such expensive equipment into a tier IV tank, it can have insane DPM to go with its enviable 121mm of pen with standard AP rounds for the top gun. My Matilda runs with improved ventilation, coated optics, and a rammer.  After 1300+ matches the crew is not just 100%, but with the BIA perk, as well (and worked up to a concealment rating of 21%, while moving), so it has a penetration of 121 mm and a DPM of about 1900, firing four rounds every seven seconds with an aiming time within a few hundredths of a second of its reload time, making every shot an almost fully aimed shot, too.  If the target appears in a convenient place for the Matilda, it can get two shots off before sixth sense alerts the target that it has been spotted.

 

All that being said, it is almost as slow as molasses flowing uphill in January and many tier III TDs can seriously hurt a Matilda if the Matilda is caught unawares.  Yes, the Matilda is much more powerful than the Char B1 or DW2, but that is balanced by those tanks never being in tier VI matches.  Of course the big balance for the Matilda is that, in its branch of the tech tree, the next good tank on its line is the Conqueror a tier IX.  The Churchill I is okay, if unremarkable.  The Churchill VII performs worse as a tier VI than the Churchill I performs at tier V.  The Black Prince is even slower than the Churchill VII.  Not only is the Black Prince worse at tier VII than the Churchill VII is at tier VI, all the armor does for the Black Prince is make it among the last tanks on the team to get knocked out, as the enemies can just avoid it.  All that I will say about the Caernarvon is that my embarrassing average of 800 damage a match for this tier VIII heavy tank was actually worth the first mark of excellence and a little over 60% of all players driving the Caernarvon, during the previous 14 days, are actually worse than I am.

 

I like the Matilda, as it is a fun tank.  I am also good at playing it (I think), as I was awarded eight Levahslaiho's medals when, in a Matilda, you had to destroy at least two tier VI tanks in a match to get one. The funniest thing about it is getting knocked out 90 seconds into a tier IV match, but still getting the High Caliber award for spending only half that time firing as fast as possible.

 

Yes, the Matilda is OP at tier IV, but a challenge to successfully play when bottom tier.



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View PostDuqe, on Aug 11 2017 - 06:17, said:

Fun fact;

Historically, the Char B1 Bis has something well over 90mm of armour penetration, but in true Wargaming tradition, they [edited] it.

The B1 and S35 should be a lot more deadly than they are.

um, if you would care to pay attention, we are not using the hull mounted weapon. we are using only the small turret gun, which did not have such pen. 

 

just as the churchill 1 should have a hull mounted 105mm howitzer as well. 



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View PostDuqe, on Aug 11 2017 - 20:10, said:

 

At the start of WW2, the B1 was the most advanced armoured vehicle on the planet. In-game, they struggle to pen a tier 4 Panzer IV.

 

that has probably a lot to do with WG putting guns and amunition they never used or where added much later on some prototype, historicaly speaking b1 for the most part faced 37mm and smaller guns 

Cpt_Zapp_Brannigan #31 Posted Aug 13 2017 - 17:32

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View PostHualalai, on Aug 11 2017 - 16:28, said:

I love my Matilda to death, but my tier 4 Luchs eats them for lunch.

 

And against a tier 6, yeah, no.

 

Luchs SHOULD eat them for lunch, but the problem with the Luchs is usually the guy operating the keyboard.

 

As for the matilda. I love mine too. Played properly you can out dpm some higher tier tanks, but best to use as a support tank from distance if bottom tier and try not to attract too much attention.  Firing at the sides/rear of any tier tank every 1.7ish seconds quickly adds up



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View PostGjeaneman, on Aug 11 2017 - 12:17, said:

im playing in my Type 95 heavy and then a matilda came i shot gold did not pen shot gold again and did not pen, our M4 shoots it, does not pen and then the matilda [edited] our team with out taking any [edited]dmg

 

In all seriousness, Type 95 is [edited]. Your teams M4 must of had the 75mm cannon or he was just [edited]. The M1A1 76mm cannon can deal with a Matilda in short order. Matilda is not really op... Well ok at tier 4 it's op but at any other tier, it's weak.

spud_tuber #33 Posted Aug 13 2017 - 21:01

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This and similar mentions of the Matilda have inspired me to break mine out of the mothballs it has been in since round the time of the fv201 marathon and throw an odds and sods crew in it.  Probably won't play it much, but was interesting to take the old girl out for a spin again.





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