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Quemapueblos #1 Posted Aug 15 2017 - 19:01

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Please, welcome the updated version of German premium TD of Tier VIII, armed with a new 105-mm gun with excellent parameters of effectiveness.

While retaining its advantages of mobility and small dimensions, it will also get increased firepower. The purpose of these changes is to check the playability of the vehicle with the new gun.

We’ll make the decision about the vehicle changes on the main server based on the results of Super Test.

 



Mikosah #2 Posted Aug 15 2017 - 19:04

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This would make the tank more useful, but also much less interesting or unique. Consider instead just buffing the 90mm so that it becomes appropriate for the traditional TD role. A little bit of handling, pen, and DPM can end up solving a lot of problems.

 

Alternatively, enhance the uniqueness of the KJP by instead buffing the view range and movement dispersion penalties. Let it act as something of a turretless light tank, therefore justifying the unimpressive performance of the current 90mm stats. 



_Jayzilla #3 Posted Aug 15 2017 - 19:07

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Hmmm, but does it jag kanonenpanzers more?

Demonic_Angel_of_Death #4 Posted Aug 15 2017 - 19:08

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Important question: Is it actually real?

Important question answer: It was a proposal after the 90mm became obsolete...

 

So basically... Another paper tank... Classic WG... It's not like they could have made the "Porsche Jagdtiger" or anything else that actually existed...

Regular Jagdtiger, 11 roadwheels

 

Porsche Jagdtiger... 12 smaller roadwheels... A different version of the same tank as above that differs mainly through suspension setup... You could easily sell this as a relevant tier 8 non pref German TD, but no, go with the Proposal-Only-Tank WG...


Edited by Demonic_Angel_of_Death, Aug 15 2017 - 19:17.


Daigensui #5 Posted Aug 15 2017 - 19:09

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View PostMikosah, on Aug 15 2017 - 11:04, said:

This would make the tank more useful, but also much less interesting or unique. Consider instead just buffing the 90mm so that it becomes appropriate for the traditional TD role. A little bit of handling, pen, and DPM can end up solving a lot of problems.

 

Alternatively, enhance the uniqueness of the KJP by instead buffing the view range and movement dispersion penalties. Let it act as something of a turretless light tank, therefore justifying the unimpressive performance of the current 90mm stats. 

 

That sounds more like something for a Tier IX regular.....

 

 

View PostDemonic_Angel_of_Death, on Aug 15 2017 - 11:08, said:

Important question: Is it actually real?

 

​Proposal, yes. They didn't bother with it since they weren't producing enough to justify the switch, also Leopard.

YANKEE137 #6 Posted Aug 15 2017 - 19:13

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Chop some HP and it would make wonderful tier 7



Cutthroatlemur #7 Posted Aug 15 2017 - 19:16

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Why the hell do the newer 105mm guns (this tank, Sherman Revolorise) get 390 alpha and the Lowe is stuck at 340 (sorry, 320)?  Both 105mm...

madogthefirst #8 Posted Aug 15 2017 - 19:21

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And yet I'm still waiting of buffs to:

  • AC1 Sentinel
  • Toldi
  • M4 Improved
  • PZ IIIK
  • IS-6 (It is obsolete now)
  • Stug IV (It is a Stug in visuals alone)


Mad_Dog_Seabee #9 Posted Aug 15 2017 - 19:28

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Q, I don't think a 105mm is necessary. Buff the 90mm's pen a tiny bit and maybe give it god tier camo rating. his way if players are too lazy to aim they can at least spot.

Xx1Tommy1xX #10 Posted Aug 15 2017 - 19:35

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That's one sexy looking gun model.

since in on mobile look for Rita status report and you will see ;)



Derp_o7 #11 Posted Aug 15 2017 - 19:50

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View PostCutthroatlemur, on Aug 15 2017 - 13:16, said:

Why the hell do the newer 105mm guns (this tank, Sherman Revolorise) get 390 alpha and the Lowe is stuck at 340?  Both 105mm...

 

Lowe has 320 

Tiger 2 has 320

 

All Tier 8 105mm guns get 320 alpha. The gun the RHM is going to use is basically the Leo 1 Gun. Tier 10 105mm's do 390.

 

It's called game balance.



Avalon304 #12 Posted Aug 15 2017 - 19:53

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View PostCutthroatlemur, on Aug 15 2017 - 11:16, said:

Why the hell do the newer 105mm guns (this tank, Sherman Revolorise) get 390 alpha and the Lowe is stuck at 340?  Both 105mm...

 

The reason is probably the ammunition they fire.

 

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So this is probably a really bad idea... (sorta like the Swedish TDs).

 

That being said, if you guys keep adding 390 damage, 268 pen 105mm guns to tier 8 my proposal for a Centurion Mk. 5/2 British premium will look alright. So I guess keep on doing these things...



Tupinambis #13 Posted Aug 15 2017 - 20:12

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In the current game meta there's no way to buff the current 90mm kjp without it still being just a crappy jt88 that can't take a hit and has normal MM. low alpha, high dpm tds are functionally worthless in this game unless they have some level of staying power like the jt88 and at-15

IndygoEEI #14 Posted Aug 15 2017 - 20:33

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Here's my repost from another thread.  I hope you guys will look at this....

 

Well if they are going to replace my regular kanon, This is what I want WG to do:

 

1)  Let me keep the old one and make it a tier 7.  Rebalance of it at that tier is acceptable.

2)  Give me the 105 version also.  In fact, I paid money for it so NO MISSIONS TO GET IT. 

Give it to me for free.

3)  I shouldn't have to pay a cent for it.  You're replacing it and since I'm one of the small

number of adopters, I get it for free.  Of course this point is rehashed, but I want to bang it in

with a hammer.

 

Also TY WG for preventing people from trading it in during the event we had to trade in

tanks.  It's really awesome you did that.  (But like hell I was even going to trade in anything...)



Elite0077 #15 Posted Aug 15 2017 - 21:41

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The problem is that armor lack really bad so it effective armor is ZERO vs everything.  Historic tank numbers don't work in the game sometimes.  Given no turret it weakens the armor more.  Gun play was always laughable.  Overall the tank is weak. 80 -70 MM front 55-45 MM side 40mm for Top Front underplate 75-65 mm it be a good tank TD with the old gun.  Small maps faster and faster game play = Worthless TD or at best limited that was sold.

Edited by Elite0077, Aug 15 2017 - 21:44.


MountainLion1 #16 Posted Aug 15 2017 - 22:28

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I have had this tank since the first day it went on sale and I have been waiting for a buff to it for a long time. I payed for a Tier VIII tank and I believe it should be brought up to a level that it is competitive at Tier VIII. Bring on the 105-MM gun. I'm ready to knock the dust off of it and get it back into battle. See y'all on the battlefield, at least those that don't transfer to the EU server.

Edited by MountainLion1, Aug 15 2017 - 22:51.


Unschooled_Bus #17 Posted Aug 16 2017 - 00:05

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This would be interesting, but I'd rather keep the 90mm and have it balanced for Tier 7 and everyone that owns it currently gets it's replacement for free.  Just up-gunning it isn't going to be that competitive at it's current Tier.  The Skorp G completely beats it for everything but crew training(Because awkward crew arrangement).  As I see the tank it's an up-gunned and slightly larger E-25, and serves the same purpose, but it can't do much when it sees Tier 10 because it's HEAT rounds are pretty bad because everything that is higher tier than it tends to have spaced armor or just plain too thick. 

 

The tank just doesn't really have a place because the E-25 a tier lower is just better and the Skorp G at it's tier is just flat out better.  The Jagd 8,8 has armor to allow it to survive, the E-25 has mobility, and the Skorp G has a turret and mobility plus pen and alpha.  It's just a tank doesn't really have a place.  The Krupp-Steyr Waffenträger is another TD at Tier 7 that at least on paper is functional, but doesn't compare to it's counterpart the E-25.

 

So that's all I have.



bjcjjaw #18 Posted Aug 16 2017 - 00:41

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I like it how it is right now. If I could choose what happens to the kanonenjagdpanzer, I'd choose to add the 105 as an alternative gun. Or if that isn't an option, just sell the 105 version as a separate tank. 

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View Postmadogthefirst, on Aug 15 2017 - 10:21, said:

And yet I'm still waiting of buffs to:

  • AC1 Sentinel
  • Toldi
  • M4 Improved
  • PZ IIIK
  • IS-6 (It is obsolete now)
  • Stug IV (It is a Stug in visuals alone)

 

As I own all of these, I...  <ahem>  I am Beorn, and I approve this message.

 

:)

 

~B



Daigensui #20 Posted Aug 16 2017 - 01:06

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View PostUnschooled_Bus, on Aug 15 2017 - 16:05, said:

The Krupp-Steyr Waffenträger is another TD at Tier 7 that at least on paper is functional, but doesn't compare to it's counterpart the E-25.

 

It's actually pretty nice as a hidden sniper.







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