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Jungol #1 Posted Aug 27 2017 - 08:00

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Played two consecutive battles in where a big gun (SU100Y, O-I) took out SPG's  in one shot and were not turned blue nor immediately banned while anyone who retaliated to stop them turned blue and were immediately banned. What's going on here?

 

The O-I killed two arties and was working on me(M41) but luckily a Kv-1S helped me out ..and subsequently turned blue before being killed. Next game Su kilt M44 and I  just started shooting him in my Churchill to prevent him taking out anybody else which got me banned and blue before I could finish him I think..

 

I mean, it seems apparent that both of these guys play in big slow artillery magnets and probably are tired of being massacred every game, but why are they allowed to take this out on teammates....lame as hell



SilverEaglewing #2 Posted Aug 27 2017 - 08:03

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Bigger alpha guns allow for more team damage, smallest guns have smaller amounts of allowed team damage before a ban.

OldFrog75 #3 Posted Aug 27 2017 - 08:29

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You had the same player in the same tank in back to back games?  What are the odds of that?

Horribad_At_Tanks #4 Posted Aug 27 2017 - 08:48

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View PostSilverEaglewing, on Aug 27 2017 - 02:03, said:

Bigger alpha guns allow for more team damage, smallest guns have smaller amounts of allowed team damage before a ban.

 

Yep. Its not about damage done its about how many times you shoot someone. Apparently you are allowed up to two friendly fires a match regardless of how much damage you do. Cross over that and then you get blue and eventually temp banned.

zed2204 #5 Posted Aug 27 2017 - 09:04

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The system allows for mistakes, you can't make it turn people blue or ban them for 1-2 shots because plenty of times it is heat of the battle accident
That allows it to be somewhat exploited in case of Arty - big alpha vs low HP but it isn't really fixable as it will create so many other problems, still they are talking if disabling team damage so that is a fix
Otherwise as far as team damage goes Arty isn't really the class to complain, the majority of team damage comes form Arty and it enjoys a far less penaltys, yes people TK Arty is not uncommon, but being TK by Arty on purpose is also not that uncommon so it's about the people and they will do it no matter the class, even if team damage is disabled they will push you in harm's way and so on, just a game, deal with it

Scorpiany #6 Posted Aug 27 2017 - 09:21

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View PostOldFrog75, on Aug 27 2017 - 00:29, said:

You had the same player in the same tank in back to back games?  What are the odds of that?

 

He... Never said that?

Shrimp_Boy #7 Posted Aug 27 2017 - 09:24

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If arty is being toxic at the start of the match I'm more than happy to send them on their way =)

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View PostSilverEaglewing, on Aug 27 2017 - 07:03, said:

Bigger alpha guns allow for more team damage, smallest guns have smaller amounts of allowed team damage before a ban.

 

incorrect. the system doesn't care. it goes by number of shots that cause damage and frequency of said shots - ie how many shots in how many games.

 

the only class or vehicles that is allotted many shots and huge amounts of damage is shockingly enough artillery. before the recent change artillery could kill 2-3 friendly tanks before it triggered the system assuming it 1 shot.



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The auto ban system has always been screwy.

OldFrog75 #10 Posted Aug 27 2017 - 10:39

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View PostScorpiany, on Aug 27 2017 - 09:21, said:

 

He... Never said that?

 

"The O-I killed two arties and...Next game Su kilt M44 and I  just started shooting him in my Churchill to prevent him taking out anybody else which got me banned and blue before I could finish him I think.."

 

Maybe I misunderstood?  Maybe it was the same player but in a different tank?


Edited by OldFrog75, Aug 27 2017 - 10:42.


Scorpiany #11 Posted Aug 27 2017 - 11:03

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View PostOldFrog75, on Aug 27 2017 - 02:39, said:

 

"The O-I killed two arties and...Next game Su kilt M44 and I  just started shooting him in my Churchill to prevent him taking out anybody else which got me banned and blue before I could finish him I think.."

 

Maybe I misunderstood?  Maybe it was the same player but in a different tank?

 

They're different players. When he says "Him", he's just referring to the SU killing the M44. He then shot the SU-100Y so that he wouldn't TK anyone else.

 

At the end of his post, he even said "Both of these guys"; which indicates two different people.



dnaman #12 Posted Aug 27 2017 - 12:07

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Yes, this is an exploit of the system that some people use on arty.  Wargaming knows about it, I've submitted tickets with replays attached and they typically give some BS answer about the automated system taking care of team damage.  Clearly it doesn't in this case.  I'd still submit replays both on the same ticket as evidence and see if you get someone willing to actually look at it instead of just ignoring you...



Feargrim27 #13 Posted Aug 27 2017 - 13:55

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If TKing arty was REALLY allowed, the ratio of TKs would skyrocket. Players, especially unicums, would TK arty at will.

 


 

Take a step back, think for a second before you post something so carelessly.



dorgedogg #14 Posted Aug 27 2017 - 14:14

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I have to agree with jungol, since the merge I have had to defend friendly  artys from being tked  way too often and yes this ruins the whole match. playing against arty without friendly arty usually loses.


 



Numerius_Titurius_Sophus #15 Posted Aug 27 2017 - 14:50

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If you sit in the cap circle and get shot it is auto ban...right?  That is what I heard...not sure if true.

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View PostJungol, on Aug 27 2017 - 08:00, said:

Played two consecutive battles in where a big gun (SU100Y, O-I) took out SPG's  in one shot and were not turned blue nor immediately banned while anyone who retaliated to stop them turned blue and were immediately banned. What's going on here?

 

The O-I killed two arties and was working on me(M41) but luckily a Kv-1S helped me out ..and subsequently turned blue before being killed. Next game Su kilt M44 and I  just started shooting him in my Churchill to prevent him taking out anybody else which got me banned and blue before I could finish him I think..

 

I mean, it seems apparent that both of these guys play in big slow artillery magnets and probably are tired of being massacred every game, but why are they allowed to take this out on teammates....lame as hell

I was I. That very same match where the team killing and blues were



Gang_Starr #17 Posted Aug 27 2017 - 15:07

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Why even get mad at someone for TKing cancer? Just move on with it and focus on your own gameplay.

__Badfinger__ #18 Posted Aug 27 2017 - 15:43

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I'd prefer arty was not in this game, but that argument is with WG. Taking it out on team m8's is just wrong. As long as arty is a part of this game no one has the right to ruin someone else's fun.

OldFrog75 #19 Posted Aug 27 2017 - 15:44

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View PostScorpiany, on Aug 27 2017 - 11:03, said:

 

They're different players. When he says "Him", he's just referring to the SU killing the M44. He then shot the SU-100Y so that he wouldn't TK anyone else.

 

At the end of his post, he even said "Both of these guys"; which indicates two different people.

 

I see what you're saying.  It was 3am when I read and responded.  Maybe the word "kilt" short-circuited my brain.   :)

Thornir #20 Posted Aug 27 2017 - 16:12

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View PostGang_Starr, on Aug 27 2017 - 15:07, said:

Why even get mad at someone for TKing cancer? Just move on with it and focus on your own gameplay.

 

​Yeah, cuz arty players aren't real people, an' this is the interweb and we can all be jerks to other people and get away with it and call it good.

 

Butthead.






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