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Patch 9.20

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CabbageMechanic #1 Posted Aug 30 2017 - 19:23

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Hey Tankers,

Please post your (actionable, quality) feedback on the 9.20 vehicle changes (including all rebalancing and tech tree changes) here.

You can find the full list of vehicle changes here.

You can find the full patch notes here.

Edited by CabbageMechanic, Aug 30 2017 - 19:30.


Strike_Witch_Tomoko #2 Posted Aug 30 2017 - 19:33

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......why was T-54 buffed?  the star medium of tier 9......and it got buffed.

 

this is like when you buffed IS-3....when it was already the star of tier 8.



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okay you did good but now the bc-25t is in need of changes the gun that people like just needs pen and accuracy changes or changes completely it should not put a tier ten heavy to 25% hp on a drive by! also the speed it has is outdated it needs to change it out to traverse.
next is the FV4005 Stage II and FV.215b (183) they are okay in concept but in actuality not good for mm i mean 1 shot monsters seem unfair as you said with artillery. the tank despite all the changes one shots people ive been ignoring it for year but when it one shots me with blind shots when im running and just have my turret of the recently buffed obj. 140 sticking the top out which by the way only the tip of it was hit then we have a imbalance issue!

i would like to please have the War-Gaming feedback.



Skeenaman #4 Posted Aug 30 2017 - 19:40

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M48:  awesome change.  I played 3-4 games this morning and bounced 4K in one game including a point-blank T110e3 off my turret.

 

Foch:  Meh.  Played a game and is still a slug.  Would rather have had the horsepower/mobility back than a gun with heavy-tank penetration values.  Turn rate is glacial still.

 

IS7:  Meh.  Still feels pretty slow.  Gun still has no penetration.  DPM still sucks.  I continue to prefer my 5a and 113.

 

 



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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Aug 30 2017 - 14:33, said:

......why was T-54 buffed?  the star medium of tier 9......and it got buffed.

 

this is like when you buffed IS-3....when it was already the star of tier 8.

 

I'm glad someone said this.  I never had any issue playing my T-54.  Not once did I think it had any characteristics which needed to be buffed.  It was lacking a bit in gun depression, but that's fairly standard for Russian tanks, so no issue there.  I wouldn't say it's the best Tier 9 Medium, an award I'd give to the Skoda T 50, but an autoloader is a bit of a different category anyway, so sure, outside of that, the T-54 was the best medium, even before the patch.  wotlabs ranked it as the 6th best Tier 9 tank in the game last year (all tank classes, not just Mediums), and the only other medium ahead of it, besides the Skoda T 50, was the M46 Patton..... which of course also gets buffs!?!? :)

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Yeah, let's buff the what was already nearly the best tank on tier 9...T-54 shouldn't have any weaknesses, comrade.  

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View PostTwixOps, on Aug 30 2017 - 18:50, said:

Yeah, let's buff the what was already nearly the best tank on tier 9...T-54 shouldn't have any weaknesses, comrade.  

 

Stronk tenk needs to be improved so that WG can increase level of appeal to Soviet Comrades.

firemedic1428 #8 Posted Aug 30 2017 - 19:57

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Getting clipped by a Foch B in my tier 10s is a blast. Thought that's why the Waffle E100 was removed. 

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What happened to the T-34-3 love that was originally in the patch?

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IS-7: Great changes in the right direction but it could still use some love to give people a reason to get it over the 5A.



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Some nice changes, especially the IS-7 ones but how about that transfer to EU?

eragon0309 #12 Posted Aug 30 2017 - 20:09

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AMX30B went from bad to worse. The tank only got two things this patch: DPM and mantlet armor. The DPM is nice, but it doesn't actually work well due to the pen nerf, the dispersion nerf, and the shell velocity nerf. The mantlet armor only works on rare occasions, and that hardly helps to begin with, as your massive cupola can be penned by everything. 

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View PostCabbageMechanic, on Aug 30 2017 - 12:23, said:

Hey Tankers,

Please post your (actionable, quality) feedback on the 9.20 vehicle changes (including all rebalancing and tech tree changes) here.

You can find the full list of vehicle changes here.

You can find the full patch notes here.

 

ANy updates on the Chinese medium buffs? Saw something about them being in supertest they coming next patch maybe?

madogthefirst #14 Posted Aug 30 2017 - 20:23

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I like the changes to the O-I Exp, it is fun but not OP kind of fun. The armor may be a bit too good for a tier 5 but that is quickly remedied by pressing 2.  

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View Posteragon0309, on Aug 30 2017 - 14:09, said:

AMX30B went from bad to worse. The tank only got two things this patch: DPM and mantlet armor. The DPM is nice, but it doesn't actually work well due to the pen nerf, the dispersion nerf, and the shell velocity nerf. The mantlet armor only works on rare occasions, and that hardly helps to begin with, as your massive cupola can be penned by everything. 

 

The accuracy got nerfed yes, but the dispersion values on the move, turret traverse and tank traverse actually got significant buffs, from what I've seen it's almost RU med levels of dispersion. Pair that with better DPM than a 907 and you have a monster of a tank. You shouldn't have to worry about the armor at that point.

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Aug 30 2017 - 10:33, said:

......why was T-54 buffed?  the star medium of tier 9......and it got buffed.

 

this is like when you buffed IS-3....when it was already the star of tier 8.

Because comrade it would occasionally be penned.



xXTheGameAceXx #17 Posted Aug 30 2017 - 21:09

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A very possibly real wargaming employee conversation:

Employee 1: "Hey, you know the O-I Experimental, right?"

Employee 2: "Yeah, that tier 5 Japanese heavy. The first one in the line that's actually not terrible."

Employee 1: "I was thinking maybe it's just too good though. It doesn't have much armor, but it has a gun that's just way too good. You know. Too 'one-shotty'."

Employee 2: "Ya know, I was thinking the same thing... Maybe we should remove the gun altogether and give nothing to compensate?"

Employee 1: "Oooh! Excellent idea! And you know what? Let's screw it over even further by removing it's mobility and making it have an even slower turret!"

Employee 2: "Brilliant idea! We'll just give it a bit of armor to justify the newfound slug-like speeds, and hopefully no one will notice how bad it is now."

Employee 1: "Hey, on the subject of way too one-shotty tanks... How about those Tier 10 British TDs...?"

Employee 2: "Nah, nothing wrong there. Hey, let's talk about buffing those next!"

 

Sorry if that seems a bit ridiculous, but I just had to. I seriously thought a lot of the 9.18 update was bad, but a lot of the stuff in 9.20 is pretty awful. Oh, and the Matchmaking system is still drunk off it's [edited]. I only managed to get one or two wins today out of ~20 matches. Everything I'm seeing is that things are just getting worse. Stop it wargaming. STOP.

If you want to fix things up, give legitimate balancing starting with the tanks that are so bad they're borderline unplayable or have nothing good going for them.


Edited by xXTheGameAceXx, Aug 30 2017 - 21:11.


Ken_McGuire #18 Posted Aug 31 2017 - 00:08

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View PostStrike_Witch_Tomoko, on Aug 30 2017 - 13:33, said:

......why was T-54 buffed?  the star medium of tier 9......and it got buffed.

 

When the 9.20 public test started, I quipped on a stream "Which tier 9 MT needs the buff less - the T-54 or M46?" And while I stand by my initial reaction that both tanks were doing fine without the buffs, the streamer (who will remain nameless) commented that with regards to the T-54, the turret buff is really giving it back the solid turret it had back in the day. Yes, it is a buff compared with how it was in 9.19, but....  And yeah, in the old T-54, I would have games where the turret bounced T110E3 premium rounds - and then would be penned by everything the next game. As for the gun changes, we will see. It is good to see a gun choice that means something...

Edited by Ken_McGuire, Aug 31 2017 - 02:44.


indoctrinated #19 Posted Aug 31 2017 - 04:36

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Why do these medium tanks need turrets that are nearly on par with heavy tanks? Do you want to encourage higher tier tanks to just bull through lower tier tanks?

Gryphon_ #20 Posted Aug 31 2017 - 04:48

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With all the MT turret and gun buffs, playing t10 lights is like cutting yourself. 'Critical hit'... 'critical hit'... rinse and repeat.

 

The MTs in tier 10 now have absolutely no fear at all of the LTs . Zero. 

 

The light buff cant come soon enough.







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