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Poll: Deathmatics Poll of Wargaming Corporate Practices (57 members have cast votes)

Should Wargaming be allowed to ban players who openly critize how wargaming is conducting business?

  1. Yes (22 votes [35.48%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 35.48%

  2. No (40 votes [64.52%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 64.52%

If it were discovered that Wargaming secretly handicaps player would you push for that tbe removed.

  1. Yes (42 votes [67.74%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 67.74%

  2. No (20 votes [32.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 32.26%

If Wargaming Handicaps players without notifying them, is it a cheat to not compensate them?

  1. Yes (38 votes [61.29%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 61.29%

  2. No (24 votes [38.71%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 38.71%

Is Wargaming promoting fair play?

  1. Yes (31 votes [50.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

  2. No (31 votes [50.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 50.00%

Is Wargaming promoting teamwork?

  1. Yes (23 votes [37.10%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 37.10%

  2. No (39 votes [62.90%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 62.90%

Is Wargaming an open or secrative company?

  1. Open (22 votes [35.48%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 35.48%

  2. Secrative (40 votes [64.52%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 64.52%

Does Wargaming care about the science behind the game fundamentals?

  1. Yes (30 votes [48.39%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 48.39%

  2. No (32 votes [51.61%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 51.61%

Does Wargaming promote ethical gaming practices?

  1. Yes (30 votes [47.62%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 47.62%

  2. No (33 votes [52.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 52.38%

Does Wargaming have public accountability as to promoting the highest standards of sportsmanship

  1. Yes (20 votes [32.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 32.26%

  2. No (42 votes [67.74%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 67.74%

Should Wargaming be financially sanctioned by government if they are found to not be promoting the highest standards of Sportsmanship

  1. Yes (19 votes [30.65%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 30.65%

  2. No (43 votes [69.35%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 69.35%

Howwould you rate the ethics of Wargaming based on your experience with the game

  1. 5 Star - Great (11 votes [19.30%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 19.30%

  2. 4 Star - Company is trying (14 votes [24.56%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 24.56%

  3. 3 Star - Company is in need of review (14 votes [24.56%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 24.56%

  4. 2 Star - Company cares nothing about the player community (8 votes [14.04%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.04%

  5. 1 Star - Company is basically dishonest (10 votes [17.54%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 17.54%

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Deathmatic #1 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 01:58

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Wargaming is threatening to ban me for asking tough questions about their ethics.

 

I have engaged an attorney and will engage them legally if they do.

 

We need to force their hand to correct blatant and ongoing problems with the game that are not by accident.

 

Help me to hold them to higher standards of ethics.



The_Wehraboo #2 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:05

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View PostDeathmatic, on Aug 31 2017 - 16:58, said:

Wargaming is threatening to ban me for asking tough questions about their ethics.

 

I have engaged an attorney and will engage them legally if they do.

 

 

 

Let me quote the EULA, that you read and agreed to when you made you account:

 

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 1.04. Wargaming.net may suspend, terminate, modify, or delete accounts at any time for any reason or for no reason, with or without notice to the owner of the account. Accounts terminated by Wargaming.net for any type of abuse, including without limitation a violation of these rules or the EULA, will not be reactivated for any reason. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most account suspensions, terminations and/or deletions are the result of violations of these rules, the End User License Agreement (EULA), or other Wargaming.net policy. Players may cancel any account registered to themselves at any time by following the instructions on the Website. Wargaming.net may stop offering and/or supporting any service at any time.

 

Bingo.

 

Good luck with your pathetic Crusade.


Edited by The_Wehraboo, Sep 01 2017 - 02:06.


TheGipper22 #3 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:06

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I voted the company line hoping to get my 'win switch' flipped on by a mod that reads it.

 

 

(... I've been reading the forums and the guys that get the most excited seem to believe there is a win switch.)



Rides_with_Death #4 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:07

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Your Last poll results not valid,OP?

Duqe #5 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:15

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Deathmatic #6 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:18

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View PostThe_Wehraboo, on Aug 31 2017 - 17:05, said:

 

 

Let me quote the EULA, that you read and agreed to when you made you account:

 

 

Bingo.

 

Good luck with your pathetic Crusade.

 

Wargaming can execute that clause at any time except when they have taken financial compensation from a player. Many software companies try to hide behind the Eula like Microsoft until financially sanctioned.

Asassian7 #7 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:20

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wthare you even whining about? I dont get it? Rigged MM?

Fireplace4 #8 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:21

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Those are definitely some loaded questions there friend... Ever hear of confirmation bias? Or volunteer bias? Or any other variable from statistics that would make this poll give you what you want?

Asassian7 #9 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:22

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View PostDeathmatic, on Sep 01 2017 - 13:18, said:

 

Wargaming can execute that clause at any time except when they have taken financial compensation from a player. Many software companies try to hide behind the Eula like Microsoft until financially sanctioned.

No, they can execute that clause whenever they want, for any reason they want, regardless of how much money the player has spent because in another clause it is stated that the account of the player and all assets on it, paid for or not, are owned by WG.



Scorpiany #10 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:22

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View PostDeathmatic, on Aug 31 2017 - 18:18, said:

 

Wargaming can execute that clause at any time except when they have taken financial compensation from a player. Many software companies try to hide behind the Eula like Microsoft until financially sanctioned.

 

You paid them for content which you have received; not for a service. You have also agreed to not just one, but several product agreements.

 

Furthermore, they are not attempting to ban you for questioning them or criticizing them. They are enforcing a set of rules; if you come in violation of them (Discussing moderator actions, issuing unrest, etc.) then they are fully within their rights to ban you.



Nunya_000 #11 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:29

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View PostDeathmatic, on Aug 31 2017 - 16:58, said:

 

I have engaged an attorney......

 

I really doubt that....well, except maybe a forum lawyer.

 

p.s. Google is not an attorney.



Deathmatic #12 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:30

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Just for your attention. Both Federal and California Courts have stricken attempts at this down in EULA's

 

14. Governing Law and Dispute Resolution

This EULA will be governed by the laws of the State of California, USA, without respect to choice of law provisions. Any claim or dispute arising out of or in connection with this EULA must be resolved in accordance with the Terms, which you agree and understand requires us to resolve most of our disputes by binding arbitration, and that by using the Software or the Service, YOU ARE WAIVING YOUR RIGHT TO BRING OR PARTICIPATE IN A CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST WARGAMING.

 

The Not-So-Simple Basics of California Class Action Law

The primary statutory authority for class actions in California is Code of Civil Procedure § 382.  It provides that:

When the question is one of a common or general interest, of many persons, or when the parties are numerous, and it is impracticable to bring them all before the court, one or more may sue or defend for the benefit of all.

While that’s not quite the entire text of Section 382, it is all that actually matters. And, no, the words “class action” do not appear anywhere in the statute.

 

Good luck Wargaming....Although I personally may not benefit, The State of California will shink their teeth into your wallet...

 

And then there are the behind the scene negotiations because your financial gonads or on the chopping block.



Markd73 #13 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:33

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View PostDeathmatic, on Sep 01 2017 - 00:58, said:

Wargaming is threatening to ban me for asking tough questions about their ethics.

 

I have engaged an attorney and will engage them legally if they do.

 

We need to force their hand to correct blatant and ongoing problems with the game that are not by accident.

 

Help me to hold them to higher standards of ethics.

You are comedy gold. Good luck with your legal action. I would pay a few bucks to watch an unedited recording of your attempt.



The_Wehraboo #14 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:33

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View PostScorpiany, on Aug 31 2017 - 17:22, said:

 

You paid them for content which you have received; not for a service. You have also agreed to not just one, but several product agreements.

 

 

 

To reinforce this..

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 8.1 Virtual Goods. The Services may permit you to acquire and accumulate certain virtual goods as made available by Wargaming ("Virtual Goods"). Virtual Goods constitute a limited, non-transferable, revocable right to use features of the Services when, as, and if allowed by Wargaming and solely as governed by and permitted under these Terms of Service. Subject to these Terms of Service, Virtual Goods may be exchanged for access to upgraded features, may be exchanged for other Virtual Goods, or used in connection with other features made available by Wargaming through the Services. Virtual Goods are not real-world currency, have no monetary value, and cannot be used, exchanged, or redeemed except as provided in these Terms of Service, and cannot be transferred, in any case. For avoidance of doubt, Virtual Goods are not redeemable or refundable for any sum of money or monetary value from Wargaming or any third party at any time; provided, however, if and to the extent that any Virtual Goods are determined by applicable law to constitute real world currency or property, then they are the property of Wargaming.

 

Virtual goods are the IP of the company selling them. They are selling you a license to use those goods, NOT the right to own said goods.



riff_ #15 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:34

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View PostAsassian7, on Aug 31 2017 - 20:20, said:

wthare you even whining about? I dont get it? Rigged MM?

 

I believe it was rigged MM to make him lose games.  WG is placing players with lesser skills on his team.

riff_ #16 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:36

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View PostDeathmatic, on Aug 31 2017 - 20:30, said:

Just for your attention. Both Federal and California Courts have stricken attempts at this down in EULA's

 

14. Governing Law and Dispute Resolution

This EULA will be governed by the laws of the State of California, USA, without respect to choice of law provisions. Any claim or dispute arising out of or in connection with this EULA must be resolved in accordance with the Terms, which you agree and understand requires us to resolve most of our disputes by binding arbitration, and that by using the Software or the Service, YOU ARE WAIVING YOUR RIGHT TO BRING OR PARTICIPATE IN A CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST WARGAMING.

 

The Not-So-Simple Basics of California Class Action Law

The primary statutory authority for class actions in California is Code of Civil Procedure § 382.  It provides that:

When the question is one of a common or general interest, of many persons, or when the parties are numerous, and it is impracticable to bring them all before the court, one or more may sue or defend for the benefit of all.

While that’s not quite the entire text of Section 382, it is all that actually matters. And, no, the words “class action” do not appear anywhere in the statute.

 

Good luck Wargaming....Although I personally may not benefit, The State of California will shink their teeth into your wallet...

 

And then there are the behind the scene negotiations because your financial gonads or on the chopping block.

 

You looked all that stuff up just to troll the forum.

(insert Jean Luc Picard face palm here)



Lemangelo #17 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:37

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View PostDeathmatic, on Sep 01 2017 - 02:30, said:

Just for your attention. Both Federal and California Courts have stricken attempts at this down in EULA's

 

14. Governing Law and Dispute Resolution

This EULA will be governed by the laws of the State of California, USA, without respect to choice of law provisions. Any claim or dispute arising out of or in connection with this EULA must be resolved in accordance with the Terms, which you agree and understand requires us to resolve most of our disputes by binding arbitration, and that by using the Software or the Service, YOU ARE WAIVING YOUR RIGHT TO BRING OR PARTICIPATE IN A CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST WARGAMING.

 

The Not-So-Simple Basics of California Class Action Law

The primary statutory authority for class actions in California is Code of Civil Procedure § 382.  It provides that:

When the question is one of a common or general interest, of many persons, or when the parties are numerous, and it is impracticable to bring them all before the court, one or more may sue or defend for the benefit of all.

While that’s not quite the entire text of Section 382, it is all that actually matters. And, no, the words “class action” do not appear anywhere in the statute.

 

Good luck Wargaming....Although I personally may not benefit, The State of California will shink their teeth into your wallet...

 

And then there are the behind the scene negotiations because your financial gonads or on the chopping block.

 

K so what are you going to sue them for? Making a game that you don't like?

Nunya_000 #18 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:37

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View Postriff_, on Aug 31 2017 - 17:34, said:

 

I believe it was rigged MM to make him lose games.  WG is placing players with lesser skills on his team.

 

Ouch!!!  

Rides_with_Death #19 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:37

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View PostNunya_000, on Aug 31 2017 - 19:29, said:

 

I really doubt that....well, except maybe a forum lawyer.

 

you think we will get invites to the wedding?

_GeorgePreddy #20 Posted Sep 01 2017 - 02:44

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WOW... your last poll, which was fairly worded... went totally against you.

 

So now, you word your poll with a bunch of "Ifs".

 

You are a **** lord, afraid to ask honest questions.  All your suppositions are tin foil craziness.

 

"If" the moon was made of green cheese, would it taste good ?

 

I hope WG counter sues your *** off.






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