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manimal79 #41 Posted Sep 06 2017 - 17:06

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View PostYankee, on Sep 06 2017 - 03:58, said:

Look inward

 



Fbomb #42 Posted Sep 07 2017 - 00:18

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Mind-numbing loss after loss after loss. Team makeup is....different. I see one team with 18k team wn8, another with...13k (which equates with the endless seas of red/orange vs yellow/green. Really getting hard to find a reason to log in. 2 of 11 last night. At least, it's ceased pissing me off, as I'm expecting it now

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View PostFbomb, on Sep 06 2017 - 17:18, said:

Mind-numbing loss after loss after loss. Team makeup is....different. I see one team with 18k team wn8, another with...13k (which equates with the endless seas of red/orange vs yellow/green. Really getting hard to find a reason to log in. 2 of 11 last night. At least, it's ceased pissing me off, as I'm expecting it now

 

​The other day was the last time I played because of getting loss after loss . All my teams were well in the red with myself and a couple orange if efficiency counted . None of the teams had the experience they needed to be in the armor and tiers they were in . And I was getting tossed into tiers ten evey game . It was a tier ten train wreck from the get go . No wonder no one plays anymore because how can a person sustain these losses . But they don't care I guess , keep trying to hook the newcomers and chase away the veterans . I sit here and shake my head and wonder , I used to play this game for fun but all my beta friends are gone and its no longer fun , along with the old clan . So many clans are dissolved or sit idle now  . So why do I keep trying to stick it out .   

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View PostFbomb, on Sep 06 2017 - 15:18, said:

Mind-numbing loss after loss after loss. Team makeup is....different. I see one team with 18k team wn8, another with...13k (which equates with the endless seas of red/orange vs yellow/green. Really getting hard to find a reason to log in. 2 of 11 last night. At least, it's ceased pissing me off, as I'm expecting it now

 

Do you have a mod that shows total team WN8  ?  

 

I've often wished I had that ... I'd also like to see Total Game Wn8  (both teams combined) to get a feel for whether the entire match has far more statistical achiever than other matches.

 

Side Point for Entire thread :   More poor players playing can't mean every player ends up with a lower WR --- unless that resulted in 10 times as many ties.  For every other game there is a winner and a loser and I don't buy the conspiracy theories that WG sticks some players on worse teams consistently based on some algorithm or 'customer score'.

 

Yeah,  I can see needing to adjust game style with worse players -  never expect teammates to do what is smart and move yours self in accordance with the random things they do... think more like a border collie

 

-  If you're not playing expecting errors by your unskilled teamates you're not reacting to the game = poor play by you



Striker_70 #45 Posted Sep 07 2017 - 02:56

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There are so many random variables in this game that you can easily have a bot-level win rate after 150-200 battles.  This is far too many games and can easily lead to people quitting.  People want their actual contributions to be counted in every game, not in every 200 games.

 

The only way to help prevent this for everyone, and make win rate better reflect individual contribution is increase team balance.



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View PostTheGipper22, on Sep 06 2017 - 20:46, said:

 

Do you have a mod that shows total team WN8  ?  

 

I've often wished I had that ... I'd also like to see Total Game Wn8  (both teams combined) to get a feel for whether the entire match has far more statistical achiever than other matches.

 

Side Point for Entire thread :   More poor players playing can't mean every player ends up with a lower WR --- unless that resulted in 10 times as many ties.  For every other game there is a winner and a loser and I don't buy the conspiracy theories that WG sticks some players on worse teams consistently based on some algorithm or 'customer score'.

 

Yeah,  I can see needing to adjust game style with worse players -  never expect teammates to do what is smart and move yours self in accordance with the random things they do... think more like a border collie

 

-  If you're not playing expecting errors by your unskilled teamates you're not reacting to the game = poor play by you

 

Yes, Aslain's has it. In summary, they have 19k, YOUR team has...13k, a curbstomp ensues. It's more useful than that stupid 'win chance' was, at any rate. Outside of Grand battles, if the team wn8 is more than 2k difference, the higher team wins nearly every time. Meh, ya do what you can do

Scanjoon #47 Posted Sep 07 2017 - 08:22

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If the MM balances teams how does one team have only a 36% chance of winning? I once was on a team that had an 18% chance to win. How does that occur and just how balanced is that? 

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View PostScanjoon, on Sep 07 2017 - 07:22, said:

If the MM balances teams how does one team have only a 36% chance of winning? I once was on a team that had an 18% chance to win. How does that occur and just how balanced is that? 

 

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A comparison of the top five tanks from each side is usually enough. One side has people who have failed their way to E100s, etc...you can guess

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If you're looking at XVM and accepting total WN8 numbers as your odds of winning, then you're making an error in judgment.  Your "odds" can drop drastically when the guy who has padded his numbers in tier 5 gets failcrushed in tier 10, when in reality the chances are that he was going to not contribute much anyway.  Or when you underestimate the borderline tomato who just got behind a light-blue casemate tank destroyer and wrecked his day.  Nothing is predetermined by numbers alone, actions take precedence.  Someone could have gotten training from unicums and is suddenly playing well above what  their numbers would lead you to expect, or maybe that teal account was just ebayed by some windowlicker.  What I'm saying is that an estimate is just that, an estimate, before the fecal matter hits the oscillating rotator.

 

Me?  I'm enjoying a 58% winrate over the last 7 days playing tier 8 and/or 10 matches, so I'm going to have to say that my personal experience since the patch doesn't match the OP's.



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View PostTedsc, on Sep 04 2017 - 18:16, said:

This is spread out over multiple days multiple sessions.  To be fair I am still getting solid XP when I play well thanks to the missions but their are people who are AFK with better winrates.

 

 

 

You're not going to want to hear this, but you are a bad player.  You getting a 34% win rate over a hundred battles every once in a while is no surprise given your current stats.

Edited by LoneEagleFive, Sep 07 2017 - 16:09.


TankFullOfBourbon #52 Posted Sep 07 2017 - 16:12

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View PostStriker_70, on Sep 06 2017 - 12:32, said:

 

From August 31st to September 3rd he played 206 battles.  That means he's played well beyond 141 battles since 9.20.  In those 206 games, his win rate was 38.83%.

 

Therefore it's entirely possible that his win rate was 34% for his previous 141 battles.

 

Silly to make this a Ping-Pong game, but where are you getting your data?

 

I am using Wotlabs.net, using the time maching, starting from Wednesday 30 August and ending with Monday 4 September. See below the stats for Tedsc.


 

  Statistics from 08/30/2017 7:23 PM PST Statistics from 09/04/2017 5:26 PM PST Difference
Battles 19371 19611 ▲ 240
Avg. Tier 5.88 5.89 ▲ 0.01
Victories 9312 48.07% 9408 47.97% ▲ 96 ▼ -0.1%

Edited by TankFullOfBourbon, Sep 07 2017 - 16:13.


Uilleam72 #53 Posted Sep 07 2017 - 19:07

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I've been a horrible loss streak myself since 9.20

 

Team after team of getting steam rolled. Lose 5, Win 1 ratio

 

I worked my [edited]off to get above 48% now I'm slipping back down again



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My solo play has been getting better, mind you it's  only since 9.20 I stopped my yolo play style. The new MM has made being bottom tier easier than its ever been to contribute to the team. for the first time in a year or so I am happy with the game. It just seems crazy how mad people get that they now under the new MM have to face a max of 3 top tier tanks per game, when the old mm it was often to be bottoms tier with 10 or more top tier tanks(the old only tier 8 tank(non lightweight) in a game of 13 tier x's and one tier 9.)

docroberts #55 Posted Sep 10 2017 - 05:57

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This F&*^%$ last couple weeks sucks , everything's going down on numbers . I keep going in tier 8s and its a total joke . Keep getting over run none stop , cant get damage in its been so bad and tanks I was getting 54% rates in are dropped , one in particular is now down to 43 to 45 % and nothing penning . A short time ago had a guy yelling at me for not helping , kinda hard to do that when hes half a map away in a hole playing a T95 and after the game I seen he did 0 damage and a stat of 18(438) . And this seems to be my common team make up these last couple weeks . But at the same time the guy in a 183 on the other team had numbers at 7(167) and had 42k battles under his belt . Tier 5 players in tier 9 and 10 tanks ... Makes a person want to walk away from the game because the team isn't being supportive . I have nothing to show for my efforts except more stupid personal reserves and a ammo-repair bill  that sends me in the hole ... It's getting old getting harassed by players that have no business yelling at anyone  and then top of it  having the same losses none stop . It's not worth the frustration . Game just doesn't have much to offer in the last year unless you want to get distracted by some dumb mission or get a mountain of reserves .  

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I don't think you have any control over the winrates. Its not golf or tennis, you have a 15 man team and if they suck and your not a unicum that can carry to the win then how do you control it?  I can get an ace and 5k damage and still lose and do a lot. I have no control over winrate!  my opinion :)

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View PostScanjoon, on Sep 07 2017 - 02:22, said:

If the MM balances teams how does one team have only a 36% chance of winning? I once was on a team that had an 18% chance to win. How does that occur and just how balanced is that?

 

MM doesn't balance teams.  

In fact it often spits out matches where one side has the top 5 or more players while the other has the bottom 4-5.   No matter what XVM says the chances are in those battles, every one I've ever found with the WoT/WG signature 'balance' described has been a brutal crushing. 


 

How does it occur?    Only WG is in a position to know.   Seriously, none of us have a hope of guessing without having access to the program code and some test time.



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View Post_Schneller_Heinz_, on Sep 04 2017 - 11:21, said:

 

Quit playing Tier V and play higher tiers for a change.

There is a lot of new player on this game and also the server merger is not really helping to improve the teams.

It is pretty plain and simple, because you have more potatoes in lower tier and you get more losses.

 

​That's not how that works... You should be better in comparison to tier 5 players than tier 10 players. As such you will have a better impact on your win rate at tier 5 than at tier 10.

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Yeah, my average damage and exp continues to rise, but I will have HUGE chunks of losses...  That means, to me at least, that I continue to improve as a player regardless of the situation I find myself in.

 

Just keep at it man!

 

Good luck!

 

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*EDIT* - It would seem as if WoTLabs.net is running a bit behind.  I am TELLIN' ya, I have had abysmal losses this entire week on WoT, and so I went to the website proper to prove it:

So, damage is above my average, and so is experience, and yet...  Those losses man...  Oh well, when WoT gets me down, I pop over to WoWS and get my ships on, and that seems to reset the system and I can come back and play.  At LEAST enough to get my dailies out of the way.


Edited by Beornotns, Sep 10 2017 - 20:29.


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well.. never had a weekend like this one... 40 loses over what I started with. I can't even try to make credits as I lost every battle in my credit tank till the time ran out... I HAD a 51% winrate... It's just not randomly possible unless you are C3P0. The russian ebay slave tankers are out in force.

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