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Bolsak #61 Posted Sep 12 2017 - 16:15

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Give me a Ford Raptor and I'm fine.

mattwong #62 Posted Sep 12 2017 - 16:28

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View Postmrp8196, on Sep 10 2017 - 01:03, said:

To me boxy shape for a vehicle is ugly .  Pickups and muscle cars are boxy.  Probably the mostly ugly vehicle is the Honda Element  and the Pontiac Aztec.  Pontiac is gone though so it was short lived.

 

The Pontiac Aztek will always remind me of Walter White.

Cutthroatlemur #63 Posted Sep 12 2017 - 17:20

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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Sep 11 2017 - 10:19, said:

 

The local dealer had a certified pre-owned 2014 S8 available a few months back for less than the price of a new S6. I'm not in the market for another couple of months, but it was still very tempting...

Not sure where you're going with the S6/S7 costs, though, unless you're thinking RS7 costs. It seems about in the middle to me. The comparable mid-sized V8 from Mercedes is about $20k more expensive, the Cadillac is over $10k more, only the BMW is cheaper, and only by a couple thousand. Can't get a boat for that. The RS7 is another kettle of fish entirely, and probably shouldn't be compared directly with the M5 or the E63.

I've owned an S4 and LOVED it, one of my buddies has an absolutely perfect 08 RS4 that will bend time and space, so believe me I get it...I've always wanted an S8 as well.  That said, I think you are looking for the wrong vehicle Cheiftain.

 

You mentioned a wife (with great taste in cars) but I heard no mention of kids or dogs...so why would you need an extra set of doors and seats?  You can get a fantastic slightly used R8 for the same $ and win every stoplight drag race and curbside sex appeal showdown.  If you haven't driven an R8, go do it!  There is an Audi drive experience right up at Sonoma Raceway.  



Da_Craw #64 Posted Sep 12 2017 - 17:23

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View Postmattwong, on Sep 07 2017 - 21:33, said:

 

Keep in mind that I was responding to someone who said women prefer men who spend a lot of money on cars.  Given that financial stress is one of the leading causes of divorce, I don't think it's a stretch to say that managing your money wisely is a much safer approach, unless of course you're filthy rich.  And even then, be wary of any woman who's impressed by money.

 

 

I see the point I was trying to make about avoiding people who are attracted to a fat wallet went completely over your head, since your response basically boiled down to "but what if my wallet is genuinely fat".

 

And you missed the point entirely.  You basically said women should prefer poor people.  There is no reason that one cannot have a nice car and a nice house within the context of managing money wisely.  In fact, isn't that the point of wise money management; to have enough money for the things you enjoy?  You have the sexist view that women can only be attracted to a successful man for his money.  I give women credit for intelligence.  If they like guy X, wouldn't they be justified in liking the version of guy X who has more resources?  The choice isn't only "nice broke guy" versus "rich [edited]."  Remember, it may be better to be a live jackal than a dead lion, but it is far better still to be a live lion.

Klaatu_Nicto #65 Posted Sep 12 2017 - 19:00

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Cosmo Designed a Car for Women
The Seat Mii by Cosmopolitan has eyeliner-shaped headlights, a champagne-colored interior, comes in purple, and is "fun to drive and easy to park."
http://www.adweek.co...-expect-173601/

 

 

Cosmopolitan and Seat are slammed for this patronising new vehicle
https://www.thesun.c...ossip-sessions/

 


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Da_Craw #66 Posted Sep 12 2017 - 21:04

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View PostCutthroatlemur, on Sep 12 2017 - 08:39, said:

going on the record here.  The Mazda Miata is NOT a "girls car". It is a fantastic and highly competent machine.  I want a new one sooooooo bad.  Too bad I have kids/dogs...

 

My first car was a Fiat Spyder 2000.  It was gorgeous and a blast to drive.  Unfortunately, it worked about 20% of the time.  Fiat just re-released it, only this time, it is just a Miata with a Fiat skin.  Beauty AND reliability.  

 

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View PostDa_Craw, on Sep 12 2017 - 15:04, said:

 

My first car was a Fiat Spyder 2000.  It was gorgeous and a blast to drive.  Unfortunately, it worked about 20% of the time.  Fiat just re-released it, only this time, it is just a Miata with a Fiat skin.  Beauty AND reliability.  

 

https://www.fiatusa....VEaAgFDEALw_wcB

 

Wow.  That's sharp.  Keeping in line of the original.  Never owned an Italian car.  Mostly German and a couple British.  What issues did you have with your 2000?  Always like the styling on it.

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View PostCutthroatlemur, on Sep 12 2017 - 16:20, said:

I've owned an S4 and LOVED it, one of my buddies has an absolutely perfect 08 RS4 that will bend time and space, so believe me I get it...I've always wanted an S8 as well.  That said, I think you are looking for the wrong vehicle Cheiftain.

 

You mentioned a wife (with great taste in cars) but I heard no mention of kids or dogs...so why would you need an extra set of doors and seats?  You can get a fantastic slightly used R8 for the same $ and win every stoplight drag race and curbside sex appeal showdown.  If you haven't driven an R8, go do it!  There is an Audi drive experience right up at Sonoma Raceway.  

 

I have a 2005 S4 Cabrio. V8 with a manual transmission which I bought new as a 'welcome back from Iraq' present. Only thing wrong with it is that the air conditioning system costs more to repair than the car is worth. Fortunately, being a convertible, I get 75 aircon. I'm not planning on selling it at all. Ever.

 

I do have a daughter, eight years old, and the wife did come with a dog. So there should be a four-door in the family. She (big firm attorney) drives an SL550, so it's the daily driver which is the 4-door, which right now is a Passat TDI, and that's the one getting replaced under the Dieselgate business. So that's flaw #1 with the R8. Flaw number 2 is that I don't know how much you think Wargaming pays me, but it's not enough to buy an R8. And given how much I commute, something with a lot of miles on it already is a non-starter: The VW is barely two and a half years old, but already out of warranty. But, yes, I am well familiar with the R8, I'm part of a local Audi fan group called "Quattro Crew" which, in fairness, isn't picky about marque: When we go on group drives, I take the Audi, wife takes the SL, and we bring radios to chat. A number of R8s usually show up at an event. Wife thinks they are the most comfortable car seats she's ever been in...



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View PostDa_Craw, on Sep 12 2017 - 17:23, said:

And you missed the point entirely.  You basically said women should prefer poor people.

 

Wow.  Reading comprehension fail.

 

Saying "avoid gold diggers" is not the same as saying "women should prefer poor people".

 

You know Warren Buffet lives in a modest house and doesn't own any fancy cars, right?  There's an old line about money: when you get some, act like you've had money before.  Don't run around excitedly flashing it all over town.


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for  20+ years I had an hour commute.  one that I could choose either freeway, and risk having that hour turn into 3, or one that I could take all back roads winding around Michigan's suburban golf courses, lakes and mansions.  I chose the latter.

 

I also often frequently chose cars that had at least reasonable mpg, but were always fun to drive.  for me, that meant lateral g-forces (instead of straightline) and it meant sunroofs or rag tops.

 

I daily drove two different Miatas for a total of 10 of those years, yes including in winter.  6 speed manual, with a limited slip differential, and all season tires meant, never stuck, and never off road.  I saw many "manly" vehicles both stuck, smashed or off road in various winter commutes.



Da_Craw #71 Posted Sep 13 2017 - 16:59

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View Postdarienjames, on Sep 13 2017 - 00:58, said:

 

Wow.  Reading comprehension fail.

 

Saying "avoid gold diggers" is not the same as saying "women should prefer poor people".

 

You know Warren Buffet lives in a modest house and doesn't own any fancy cars, right?  There's an old line about money: when you get some, act like you've had money before.  Don't run around excitedly flashing it all over town.

 

And more jealousy.  He didn't say avoid gold-diggers, he implied that any woman who goes out with a guy with a nice car IS a golddigger.  Saying that anyone who buys a nice car is "flashing money around" and that any woman who is attracted to that person is only attracted to the money smacks of jealousy.  It is classic sour grapes.  My point is that nobody ever put a poster of a minivan on their wall when they were 14.  The whole point of managing your money is so you can have nice things.  btw, Warren Buffet lives in Nebraska.  On purpose.  His lifestyle choices don't apply to sane people.

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View Posttod914, on Sep 12 2017 - 14:13, said:

 

Wow.  That's sharp.  Keeping in line of the original.  Never owned an Italian car.  Mostly German and a couple British.  What issues did you have with your 2000?  Always like the styling on it.

 

Ironically, I saw one of the new Fiat 124s on the way home last night.  Pretty car.

 

The problems with my 1980 Fiat 124 (it had the 2liter engine) were many.  The fuel pump ran on a cam and it started slipping very early.  The car would just randomly die.  Had to replace it with an electric fuel pump.  I lived in rural Oklahoma at the time and the mechanic's familiarity with Fiats (and electricity, apparently) was minimal.  He wired the fuel pump wrong and when I turned the key to ACC to listen to the radio, the fuel pump ran and flooded the engine.  The gearstick would also routinely just come out of the gearbox.  That was fun, pulling into a tollbooth stuck in 4th.  The starter was also iffy.  I got to where I tried to park facing downhill in case I had to roll-start.



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View PostDa_Craw, on Sep 13 2017 - 10:59, said:

And more jealousy.  He didn't say avoid gold-diggers, he implied that any woman who goes out with a guy with a nice car IS a golddigger.

 

Oh look, you don't understand English.  I said that any woman who goes out with a guy because he has a nice car is a gold-digger.  If that's the reason women find you attractive, you are dating gold-diggers.  I'm sorry this concept is apparently beyond your comprehension.

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This is a bit of sad thread.  

 

Having car xyz because you have a passion for cars is one thing, but having a car you can't afford because you think you have to have it because society dictates you do is another.  If you have a car payment, you can't afford your car. If you live in the city, pull nothing, work in an office, etc, you don't need a truck.  And if you have a truck for no practical reason, is it because you hate the environment?  What do you do in a truck on a regular basis that you couldn't do in a car, or worst case, an SUV.  Now if you're a landscaper or something, it might be a different story, but for most people, let's say only twice a year do you need a truck.  Your savings from renting a truck from U-Haul, Home Depot, etc for those two times, versus owning one all year round would be huge.  You could own that $5000 used car which does 99.95% of what you do, then rent a vehicle for the rest, or better yet, borrow one from a family member or friend.  To take it a step further, most of these people who are paying crazy amounts for their car or truck payments, and their 12mpg instead of 40mpg, are often on the path to not being even remotely close to having enough money for their retirement.  The compound interest lost from buying/running a new truck instead of buying/running an economical used car and investing can be well over $100k over say a 10 year period.  You want to reach 65 and realize you have to work another 10 or 20 years because you didn't plan for your future?  What level will your regret reach when you realized you could have retired at 35 - never mind 65 - with some sensible investing instead of buying that truck and living paycheck to paycheck?  Seriously, you make $100k per year?  You can do that.  You make $40k per year?  You can do that too.  How about all your health problems and huge medical costs which might have been mitigated had you just taken your bike to work instead of taking your truck for a 10 minute commute.

 

The issue of buying a specific vehicle to impress a girl (or guy)? Hey, if that's your thing, that's your thing, but really?  That's why you want a girl to like you?  Because of your car?  Because you make irresponsible and impractical purchases?

 

Well, I'm sure this will be a controversial one..... /rant



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Could be a car-digger. Don't care about the money, just the taste in cars.

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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Sep 13 2017 - 11:11, said:

Could be a car-digger. Don't care about the money, just the taste in cars.

 

Or truck, or bike.

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View Postmoogleslam, on Sep 13 2017 - 11:11, said:

If you have a car payment, you can't afford your car. 

So not true.  Can you not afford a house if you have a mortgage payment?  If the dealer offers you .9% interest on a loan, wouldn't you be crazy not to finance the car?  Let's say you have 25K set aside for your car purchase.  You could buy the car outright, or finance it at a cost of less than $250 per year in interest.  You can almost assuredly do better than a 1% return in most investments.  If you haven't already maxed out a 401K, it is a no brainer.  The tax savings alone easily outweigh the interest on the car loan.  ALWAYS at least consider using someone else's money when they offer it.  

 

 



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Florida is full of old guys driving Corvettes to get attention from women. I notice the passenger seats are always empty. My wife says it best, women want us to spend money on them, not cars and boats.

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View PostNudnick, on Sep 13 2017 - 13:45, said:

Florida is full of old guys driving Corvettes to get attention from women. I notice the passenger seats are always empty. My wife says it best, women want us to spend money on them, not cars and boats.

 

So the key is to buy the woman a car?

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View PostDa_Craw, on Sep 13 2017 - 20:52, said:

 

So the key is to buy the woman a car?

 

They love it when you take care of their car problems. Just be sure to buy them a car that you like too.




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