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lordawesome7 #21 Posted Sep 20 2017 - 16:05

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View PostViper69, on Sep 20 2017 - 07:40, said:

 

most of us won't. They aren't marketed to the average joe even though their tech supposedly is "open to everyone" to use.

 

you can afford a model 3

 

thought you'd have to wait in line, its worth it if you're willing to wait



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Aren't hybrids a better deal on both purchase cost and overall efficiency as far as lowering the carbon footprint? Even a pure electric car gets its juice from a power plant which is a carbon emitter unless your local grid is powered off a nuclear or hydro plant.

 

edit;

https://www.scientif...essarily-clean/

 

Answered my own question.. Still a tossup till electrical production reduces its own carbon footprint. So your tesla is about as polluting as a hybrid though both pollute less than a pure fossil fuel car.

 

reedit;

 

hahahahahahahaha..

 

Producing a single tesla battery introduces as much carbon into the environment as running a normal gasoline powered vehicle for EIGHT years.

 

That's just making the battery and not including the daily recharges off the grid. There goes your planet saver. :P

 

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View PostBajaJames, on Sep 20 2017 - 06:34, said:

 

Car payments... keep poor people poor...

 

Though, poor, you'll eventually own it... in a few years!

The_Chieftain #24 Posted Sep 22 2017 - 01:34

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Congratulations.  Last time I went car shopping, the Tesla was out of my reach so I went diesel.  However, I have concluded that in the future I'm going to be forced into an electric whether I like it or not, so I'm abandoning the Tesla idea while I can still get V8s.

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View Post84Doc04, on Sep 20 2017 - 02:58, said:

 

I drive mine into the ground.  My Avalanche is a 2005 and I'm almost ready to replace it.  Maintenance costs are still cheaper than a payment, and this truck doesn't owe me anything.  So, yeah.  Looks like I'll be around the 13 year mark as well.

 

Haha I do that too ... 2002 Forrester, still running and fairly good condition (needs new paint though) ... I probably will take over the 2016 Subaru Forrester I got mom though ... I am guessing that in 3-5 years we'lll have reliable driverless cars ... at just about the time she will want to stop driving herself around town.  

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Congrats!  They are really sexy :B...

 

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View PostThe_Chieftain, on Sep 21 2017 - 16:34, said:

Congratulations.  Last time I went car shopping, the Tesla was out of my reach so I went diesel.  However, I have concluded that in the future I'm going to be forced into an electric whether I like it or not, so I'm abandoning the Tesla idea while I can still get V8s.

 

LOve watching those vids of peeps freaking while tesla accelerates but really ,how can you replace the sound of a tuned V

View PostHorribad_At_Tanks, on Sep 21 2017 - 07:05, said:

Aren't hybrids a better deal on both purchase cost and overall efficiency as far as lowering the carbon footprint? Even a pure electric car gets its juice from a power plant which is a carbon emitter unless your local grid is powered off a nuclear or hydro plant.

 

edit;

https://www.scientif...essarily-clean/

 

Answered my own question.. Still a tossup till electrical production reduces its own carbon footprint. So your tesla is about as polluting as a hybrid though both pollute less than a pure fossil fuel car.

 

reedit;

 

hahahahahahahaha..

 

Producing a single tesla battery introduces as much carbon into the environment as running a normal gasoline powered vehicle for EIGHT years.

 

That's just making the battery and not including the daily recharges off the grid. There goes your planet saver. :P

 

https://wattsupwitht...soline-driving/

 

Efficiency and low carbon print are nice but a throaty V8 cant be replaced.

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View Postrich73, on Sep 21 2017 - 21:11, said:

 

LOve watching those vids of peeps freaking while tesla accelerates but really ,how can you replace the sound of a tuned V

 

Efficiency and low carbon print are nice but a throaty V8 cant be replaced.

 

No design reason for not having a hybrid v8. Hell think of the extra acceleration if you had electric backup along with the big block? Kinda like jato on a jet but without the flying into the air and crashing part.

 

 

On a non related note another mythbusters ep just because I love Kari.

 



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View Postlordawesome7, on Sep 20 2017 - 10:05, said:

 

you can afford a model 3

 

thought you'd have to wait in line, its worth it if you're willing to wait

 

electric cars are only "worth it" for folks that have moderate commutes and never, ever take road trips.  a hybrid electric while more complex, also makes a bit more sense for most Americans.

 

I started working mostly from home about 4 years ago, so in reality a single electric car would possibly make sense for around town errands, but then so too would an xuv which are surface road legal here in Michigan (just stupid expensive for what they are).  more than likely however, I wouldn't look at either if I was in a bind.  a certified preowned Honda/VW/Toyota all make sense from a utilitarian, reliability and residual value perspective.

 

anyway, my '08 GLI has been paid off for years, is garaged, and hasn't let me down yet.  oldest son is driving the hand-me-down family road cruiser, a '08 Ford Taurus X SEL, which also has been paid off for years, and the wife has a '15 Honda CRV Touring, which we owe less than $12k on, has ~33k on it despise several lengthy road trips, and in eco mode pulls in ~30 mpg which is plenty efficient even at old painful gas price points of $4/gallon.

 

when the kids get off on their own, (post college years), and we sell off this lake house, then I will probably start thinking about getting back into a true fun, toy car like the old miatas I used to commute in, or even the BMW Convertible I miss so much.

 

that all being said, if someone has the disposable income to make such an acquisition as the OP, then one isn't really buying the car for it's utilitarian or even investment aspects, and congrat's on pulling the trigger on it.



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View PostThePigSheFlies, on Sep 22 2017 - 08:37, said:

 

electric cars are only "worth it" for folks that have moderate commutes and never, ever take road trips.  a hybrid electric while more complex, also makes a bit more sense for most Americans.

 

I started working mostly from home about 4 years ago, so in reality a single electric car would possibly make sense for around town errands, but then so too would an xuv which are surface road legal here in Michigan (just stupid expensive for what they are).  more than likely however, I wouldn't look at either if I was in a bind.  a certified preowned Honda/VW/Toyota all make sense from a utilitarian, reliability and residual value perspective.

 

anyway, my '08 GLI has been paid off for years, is garaged, and hasn't let me down yet.  oldest son is driving the hand-me-down family road cruiser, a '08 Ford Taurus X SEL, which also has been paid off for years, and the wife has a '15 Honda CRV Touring, which we owe less than $12k on, has ~33k on it despise several lengthy road trips, and in eco mode pulls in ~30 mpg which is plenty efficient even at old painful gas price points of $4/gallon.

 

when the kids get off on their own, (post college years), and we sell off this lake house, then I will probably start thinking about getting back into a true fun, toy car like the old miatas I used to commute in, or even the BMW Convertible I miss so much.

 

that all being said, if someone has the disposable income to make such an acquisition as the OP, then one isn't really buying the car for it's utilitarian or even investment aspects, and congrat's on pulling the trigger on it.

the model 3 has about a 220 mile range, and their better models go up to 300

 

in addition the tesla cars (especially the X, nothing says burned money like doors that go up and down aka "falcon wing doors" ) are really sexy and well built; even the base model 3 is worth its asking price on its looks alone

 

 

in addition there are tons of charging stations (according to them) that you can go cross country with this thing with access to their network of charging stations (i'd assume you'd need a gps for that if you're unfamiliar where they are)

 

im not saying these are perfect, but they are the way to go in style and with clean energy (assuming whatever is charging it is clean; they actually offer solar panels and power banks to hold that energy if you have a home/ own the property, they are true to their commitment for lowering carbon emission, though i think their high standards make it harder to reach more of the market)

 


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View PostHorribad_At_Tanks, on Sep 21 2017 - 10:05, said:

Aren't hybrids a better deal on both purchase cost and overall efficiency as far as lowering the carbon footprint? Even a pure electric car gets its juice from a power plant which is a carbon emitter unless your local grid is powered off a nuclear or hydro plant.

 

edit;

https://www.scientif...essarily-clean/

 

Answered my own question.. Still a tossup till electrical production reduces its own carbon footprint. So your tesla is about as polluting as a hybrid though both pollute less than a pure fossil fuel car.

 

reedit;

 

hahahahahahahaha..

 

Producing a single tesla battery introduces as much carbon into the environment as running a normal gasoline powered vehicle for EIGHT years.

 

That's just making the battery and not including the daily recharges off the grid. There goes your planet saver. :P

 

https://wattsupwitht...soline-driving/

 

1. Telsa offers solar panels and power banks to hold that charge if you have the housing; alternatively you can outsource your solar panels to the same effect if you can find the same quality for less

 

 

2. All of their battery are recycled no exceptions, they are more committed then you give them credit for (though i guess i have the knowledge from going there in person)



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View PostThePigSheFlies, on Sep 22 2017 - 13:37, said:

 

electric cars are only "worth it" for folks that have moderate commutes and never, ever take road trips.  a hybrid electric while more complex, also makes a bit more sense for most Americans.

 

 

 

This argument really only makes sense for single car households, or where both cars are used for commuting. For family road trips, the conventional engine is fine, for commuting, use the other car. In fact, doing the calculations, for the amount of money I would be saving in the fuel and maintenance for something like an S6, I could get an eGolf and commute in that and keep the V8 sedan for non-commuting runs. For years, since the mileage is low. (Or lease)

 

My question is if I want to spend hours a day in a golf and not an Audi (or whatever)



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View PostHorribad_At_Tanks, on Sep 21 2017 - 16:24, said:

 

No design reason for not having a hybrid v8. Hell think of the extra acceleration if you had electric backup along with the big block? Kinda like jato on a jet but without the flying into the air and crashing part.

 

 

On a non related note another mythbusters ep just because I love Kari.

 

 

On that question .... hmmmmm ... all else being reasonably equal, I would hazard the guess, up to a point, yes ... that is, with the same male to female distribution and excluding the 'flyers' of niche specific establishments like Hooters or its commercial opposite. (Haven't seen the episode, so I have actually no idea if I am right or not)  :D

 

Hahahaha ... watched the episode and got a surprise ... Women giving more tips too?  Wow ... I had guessed the opposite here, where the women customers would look ambivalently at breast size in context to their own and what they perceived men or society in general 'favored'... 


Edited by Kenshin2kx, Sep 22 2017 - 19:04.


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View Postlordawesome7, on Sep 22 2017 - 09:28, said:

the model 3 has about a 220 mile range, and their better models go up to 300

 

 

 

that basically gets someone to Northern Michigan, (without traffic) and without having pulled the boat, jetski's, snowmobile, kayaks, etc. and leaves you with a prayer that there's a place to recharge it...

 

yes, the rarity and expense make it more about status symbol to some folks, which points to my statement about disposable income and how people want to spend it, I even congratulating the OP on getting one.  :)

 

for me personally, it makes no sense, even if I didn't have kids, and while we live comfortably - even if I had DGAF money the inconveniences of that short range would mean I'd very likely pick something else.  but I like cars that make vroom vroom noises with the top down, and manual, or at worst sequential manual gear boxes...

 

View PostThe_Chieftain, on Sep 22 2017 - 10:53, said:

 

This argument really only makes sense for single car households, or where both cars are used for commuting. For family road trips, the conventional engine is fine, for commuting, use the other car. In fact, doing the calculations, for the amount of money I would be saving in the fuel and maintenance for something like an S6, I could get an eGolf and commute in that and keep the V8 sedan for non-commuting runs. For years, since the mileage is low. (Or lease)

 

My question is if I want to spend hours a day in a golf and not an Audi (or whatever)

 

 

if we're talking about econo-box cars, for the $29k msrp that a base eGolf is listed at here in Michigan, I'd spend the money on a GTI, or even certified pre-owned GolfR

 

 


Edited by ThePigSheFlies, Sep 22 2017 - 17:52.


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View Postlordawesome7, on Sep 22 2017 - 10:16, said:

 

1. Telsa offers solar panels and power banks to hold that charge if you have the housing; alternatively you can outsource your solar panels to the same effect if you can find the same quality for less

 

 

2. All of their battery are recycled no exceptions, they are more committed then you give them credit for (though i guess i have the knowledge from going there in person)

 

1. Except for the fact that solar panel production is highly toxic with the various waste products and it has its own large carbon footprint from production just like the tesla battery. Solar panels are not green by any stretch of the imagination and they are toxic to get rid of too depending on the type. Oh and the power banks are even MORE batteries which add even MORE carbon and toxins as battery production is a very dirty business.

 

2. About that battery recycling.. https://www.theguard...-musk-powerwall

 

Right now electric cars are a money grab bait and switch if your aim is being environmentally friendly. A standard 4 banger economy car has a lower overall lifetime carbon footprint once you figure in every factor.. 

 

I wonder if tesla got its business model off wargaming? :trollface:

 

View PostKenshin2kx, on Sep 22 2017 - 11:27, said:

Hahahaha ... watched the episode and got a surprise ... Women giving more tips too?  Wow ... I had guessed the opposite here, where the women customers would look ambivalently at breast size in context to their own and what they perceived men or society in general 'favored'... 

 

This narrative that women don't look at each other just like men look at them is a third wave feminist thing. They have somehow went hyper puritan and anything at all that points to any physical trait is considered the deepest insult. Notice that nearly every third wave feminist is also overweight and typically not pretty even with tons of rainbow dash hair styling and makeup. Saying that it looks like that was a trendy coffee shop with normal females and probably its fair share of lesbians and bisexuals in the stream of customers. If that was a coffee shop in some hick town with big booby bertha behind the counter then when randy goes to tip her he has to be mindful of his wife hildabeast and the 7 kids behind him. :trollface:

 



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View PostHorribad_At_Tanks, on Sep 22 2017 - 11:50, said:

<snip>

 

I wonder if tesla got its business model off wargaming? :trollface:

 

I doubt it. They are most definitely NOT free to drive. :)


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Is there a diesel model??

ramp4ge #38 Posted Sep 23 2017 - 02:48

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Jeep master race.

 

As someone who deals with lithium batteries on a daily basis, there's no way in hell I'd own a car powered exclusively by them,



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Congratz on your new car!

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View Postramp4ge, on Sep 23 2017 - 09:48, said:

Jeep master race.

 

As someone who deals with lithium batteries on a daily basis, there's no way in hell I'd own a car powered exclusively by them,

 

You wouldn't think the batteries by Tesla are better than then the ones you are used to handling?

 

That said, I am a Dodge fan. Too bad the only Dodge they sell here is the Journey! :arta:

 

The closest I would get to either a Challenger or Charger is the Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT. But that costs over BND$120k.:(






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