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goodncold #1 Posted Oct 02 2017 - 20:51

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I just read that the FV4202 on the test server was going to be reverted back to 9.20 stats.

I have been waiting for a meaningful update to the FV4202 since they first announced it back in early 2017. 

I don't understand why it can't have its buff if it has similar armor profile as the Primo Victoria. The engine power buff is required as that tank has no uphill capacity at all.

 

This is the second time they put it into test with updated armor and remove it. It doesn't make sense considering other tanks (premium or otherwise) in the same class and tier are much better than it. I won't even mention the gun handling which put it near the bottom of its class.

 

I think I will have to file this tank away to the dusty corner of my garage until WOT actually decides to do something positive with it.

Am I missing the point of why they reverted the stats? Please don't say that it is too OP.



Nudnick #2 Posted Oct 02 2017 - 20:59

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Tier 9 and 10 players hate buffs to tier 8 premiums.

84Doc04 #3 Posted Oct 02 2017 - 21:06

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Well that blows.  They buff the entire British line except that one tank?  What rot.

I was looking forward to the buff.  I never play mine any more.

Can you post a link to what you read?



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View Post84Doc04, on Oct 02 2017 - 21:06, said:

Well that blows.  They buff the entire British line except that one tank?  What rot.

I was looking forward to the buff.  I never play mine any more.

Can you post a link to what you read?

 

Here you go: https://thedailyboun...ehicle-changes/

Demonic_Angel_of_Death #5 Posted Oct 02 2017 - 21:22

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Because the turret and engine buff combined made it very good...

 

They're probably going to test it as is currently, and then implement a test for the turret and engine separate, and in the end the tank may either receive one of the two buffs, or no buff...



ShookYang #6 Posted Oct 02 2017 - 21:30

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I don't really care about the mobility buff.

 

All I want is a turret that can actually bounce shots on my FV4202.



oldewolfe #7 Posted Oct 03 2017 - 14:10

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4202 will Bounce, I think that's why they left it....      It just Bounces more if you're Moving alot and that hurts the Gun....        I generally Bounce enough to Kill me plus at least Half again...      I have had Damage Bounced near 3K if not More at least Once, Highest I can find right off near 2800....      

 

http://www.vbaddict....750357123810312

 

http://www.vbaddict....746770826119377

 

And it has Bounced a JgPz E100 at least once, so I'll take that one as Fate.....

 

Speed Buff was nice, last I checked that was still on the Test Server....         Power: Weight however is one of it's Major Flaws that even the Extra Ponies doesn't Fully resolve....     But it is a Start....

 

 



ShookYang #8 Posted Oct 03 2017 - 18:53

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Sure it bounces, but not reliably.  Not nearly as reliable as the Primo Victoria's turret (and soon the Centurion Mk 1's).

 

Especially when you peak a hill and get shot in the sides of the mantlet.


Edited by ShookYang, Oct 03 2017 - 18:55.


Mikosah #9 Posted Oct 03 2017 - 19:04

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The key difference between the 4202 and the Centurion 1 is that the former has a significantly lower profile and better camo. The idea of it having these advantages as well as high horsepower and actual turret armor is pushing things. The stats collected in testing confirm this, or so WG claims anyway. If anything, making the 4202 play differently and not being just another clone is to everyone's benefit. Give it some other advantage if it really needs buffing. View range perhaps.

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View PostMikosah, on Oct 03 2017 - 13:04, said:

The key difference between the 4202 and the Centurion 1 is that the former has a significantly lower profile and better camo. The idea of it having these advantages as well as high horsepower and actual turret armor is pushing things. The stats collected in testing confirm this, or so WG claims anyway. If anything, making the 4202 play differently and not being just another clone is to everyone's benefit. Give it some other advantage if it really needs buffing. View range perhaps.

 

I haven't played a Centurion in a while but that makes sense... one of the features of the 4202 as a test (towards the development of the Chieftain) was the driver had a reclining position rather than sitting straight up. 

JTM78 #11 Posted Oct 04 2017 - 01:38

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View PostMikosah, on Oct 03 2017 - 12:04, said:

The key difference between the 4202 and the Centurion 1 is that the former has a significantly lower profile and better camo. The idea of it having these advantages as well as high horsepower and actual turret armor is pushing things. The stats collected in testing confirm this, or so WG claims anyway. If anything, making the 4202 play differently and not being just another clone is to everyone's benefit. Give it some other advantage if it really needs buffing. View range perhaps.

 

FYI- The Centurion I with all top modules- has more health, more armor, more horsepower per ton, more view range, and a quicker reload! The FV 4202 has more camo by 2.58/.61 and 1.87/.44. The only thing the FV4202 is superior is a camo rating! The FV4202 needs a buff. I have not included the hidden soft stats as WoT does not includes those stats in compare garage in game.

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View PostShookYang, on Oct 02 2017 - 13:30, said:

I don't really care about the mobility buff.

 

All I want is a turret that can actually bounce shots on my FV4202.

 

View PostShookYang, on Oct 03 2017 - 10:53, said:

Sure it bounces, but not reliably.  Not nearly as reliable as the Primo Victoria's turret (and soon the Centurion Mk 1's).

 

Especially when you peak a hill and get shot in the sides of the mantlet.

 

It shouldnt be bouncing shots reliably. If youre getting hit in a British medium you are actively playing the tank wrong.

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View PostDemonic_Angel_of_Death, on Oct 02 2017 - 15:52, said:

Because the turret and engine buff combined made it very good...

 

They're probably going to test it as is currently, and then implement a test for the turret and engine separate, and in the end the tank may either receive one of the two buffs, or no buff...

 

no where near as good as defender, Chrysler, Liberte, Lorraine, Scorpio G.

 

it is a one trick hull down pony, that STILL has a weaker turret than most T8 heavy tanks. Still has bad DPM, low alpha damage which misses one-shot tracking hits, kind of costly ammo for lower damage, bad hull+sides, and middling T8 mobility even w/ that engine

 

The engine horsepower buff didn't even make it fast, per se. Just a normal 15-16HP/T common T 8, which can appear slightly agile due to very good terrain soft stats. A tonne of T 8 meds have way better track trav too for close brawling. It isn't fast. Just 'faster' than what it was.  Drives like a panther 8.8 or STA2, just better to the punch off-roading. Nothing special or quick, certainly not like Lorraine, CDC, or M46KR



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View PostDirizon, on Oct 04 2017 - 00:23, said:

no where near as good as defender, Chrysler, Liberte, Lorraine, Scorpio G.

 

I mean I'm just quoting WG... I don't own it, nor do I play the test servers...



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View PostDirizon, on Oct 03 2017 - 22:23, said:

 

no where near as good as defender, Chrysler, Liberte, Lorraine, Scorpio G.

 

it is a one trick hull down pony, that STILL has a weaker turret than most T8 heavy tanks. Still has bad DPM, low alpha damage which misses one-shot tracking hits, kind of costly ammo for lower damage, bad hull+sides, and middling T8 mobility even w/ that engine

 

The engine horsepower buff didn't even make it fast, per se. Just a normal 15-16HP/T common T 8, which can appear slightly agile due to very good terrain soft stats. A tonne of T 8 meds have way better track trav too for close brawling. It isn't fast. Just 'faster' than what it was.  Drives like a panther 8.8 or STA2, just better to the punch off-roading. Nothing special or quick, certainly not like Lorraine, CDC, or M46KR

 

First off, the Liberte and Lorraine are pretty average. So I dunno why youre including them.

 

2nd: The tanks that are badly balanced are not good role models for how other tanks should be balanced. Its not ok that the Chrysler, Patriot, Skorpion or Defender are badly balanced. It would be even less ok to willfully buff other premiums to their level.



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We will have to see the second phase list of changes to judge, in the dayli bounce article they say only turret armor, in another everything, we have to see what will actually happen, the original idea was turret+hull armor + engine power

 

Turret needs a buff thought even if it is not as significant, right now it is not even on the current Centurion level let alone the new one or the Primo Victoria

 

I think all this is because of what community contributers were saying rather than actual statistics from the test server, it has to be incredibly OP to show in the CT where it is almost impossible to have a T8 game and everyone is shooting only gold


Edited by zed2204, Oct 04 2017 - 09:32.


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View PostAvalon304, on Oct 03 2017 - 18:45, said:

 

 

It shouldnt be bouncing shots reliably. If youre getting hit in a British medium you are actively playing the tank wrong.

 

So, popping up to shoot from a hill is playing it wrong?  Even if I try to bait a shot with just exposing as little of my turret as possible, it can still get penned.

 

I suppose I can just take snap shots while I move up and down the hill, but that just leads to more missed shots for me.



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View PostShookYang, on Oct 04 2017 - 11:36, said:

 

So, popping up to shoot from a hill is playing it wrong?  Even if I try to bait a shot with just exposing as little of my turret as possible, it can still get penned.

 

I suppose I can just take snap shots while I move up and down the hill, but that just leads to more missed shots for me.

 

Popping up on a target that is loaded and looking at you is the wrong way to play the tank. If a target knows you are there and is looking at you you shouldnt be poking him. If hes loaded you shouldnt be poking him. The targets you should be engaging, as a British medium are targets that are distracted by other tanks or targets that have already fired and are reloading. You shouldnt be baiting shots, your armor doesnt exist for that purpose in a British medium. The turret armor is fine in motion and will bounce hastily aimed shots from other tanks. It exists to potentially save you from a positioning error not to willfully bounce shots.

 

And yes, you should be snap shotting. Hit rate is irrelevant so dont worry about missing. Fire your gun more often and you'll do more damage. A British medium shouldnt expose any longer than it has to.


Edited by Avalon304, Oct 05 2017 - 06:07.


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View PostAvalon304, on Oct 04 2017 - 01:31, said:

 

First off, the Liberte and Lorraine are pretty average. So I dunno why youre including them.

 

2nd: The tanks that are badly balanced are not good role models for how other tanks should be balanced. Its not ok that the Chrysler, Patriot, Skorpion or Defender are badly balanced. It would be even less ok to willfully buff other premiums to their level.

 

Liberte is a great tank, featuring excellent frontal armour with only one weak spot. Excellent firepower to keep it a threat even tier X, and good enough mobility as to not make it a crude lumbering T34, King Tiger, or Lowe. And has some view range to work with, unlike an lS5 or Defender

 

Lorraine, discounting the CDC, has best in class mobility. It has best in class firepower, keeping it a threat wherever it appears. It has a nifty autoloader and the camo works way better than when it was lX....The downside is a Lorraine driver, much like a Skorp G or Charioteer, needs a brain. As it cannot defend against attacks, but must instead rely on positioning, ambush, and camo. The mark of intelligence and experience and opportunity, rather than depending on armour

 

Patriot isn't as bad as those others. Patriot does have high DPM and Pen and speed, but isn't invulnerable and is much easier to exploit. 

 

252Y needs back the preTest 9Omm front plate, 12Omm lower. The 3Omm instead of 45mm side armour bracket. The gun should be lS3A 12.2cm, with rate of fire slower than lS3A, lS5, and Korovets

Chrysler K needs 1O.5cm gun changed to T28HTC idiot gun. Chryslers crutch is its armour. Speed cap should be set to 28-29



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I liked the tank alot on the test server, I though it played great.

 

It allowed the FV4202 to actually be good at something instead of bottom tier like it is in so many categories, if anything that turret was a balancing factor against those poor traits.

 

It also levels the playing field with the Primo Victoria another Premium tank, It does not make sense to have one strong and the other so weak.

 

I always enjoyed playing the Caernarvon more, and having a workable turret was a big part of that. I very much plan on buying the C-Axe when it comes out.

 

 

 

 

 


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