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CabbageMechanic #1 Posted Oct 13 2017 - 19:55

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Hey Tankers,

Lots of news coming in, let us know what you think:
 

We are testing changes to the Soviet branch of MT tanks of the Object 430 line – we are moving vehicles of Tier IX and X to lower tiers, removing the Tier VIII Object 416 and adding a new top tank –  the Object 430U.  There will also be some changes to the Tier VII A-44.

The details are below.

 

We are trying to synch of the playstyle of all vehicles in this tree, and buff some of the weak vehicles in the branch.  The main goal of these changes is to form a branch of Medium tanks with good front armor, high mobility, with low silhouette and higher than average alpha-damage. That’s why we plan to get rid of Object 416 – the vehicle doesn't quite fit the other tanks of the branch. Object 430 and Object 430 Version II will be moved to Tiers IX and VIII with the corresponding characteristics changes. Both of the vehicles will get a new 122-mm gun.

 

Important! The changes mentioned above are not final and are subject to change after the test.

 


Edited by CabbageMechanic, Oct 13 2017 - 21:25.


Ken_McGuire #2 Posted Oct 13 2017 - 19:59

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So what are you going to do with the 416? It is only one of the best tier 8 MT's currently...



BaconMeLoveIt #3 Posted Oct 13 2017 - 20:02

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Will the Soviet mediums and British heavies update be on the same patch?

Toxicity73 #4 Posted Oct 13 2017 - 20:07

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Well this is just FANTASTIC Im currently grinding the obj 430. I have the obj 430 ll. So what ur telling me is that is I dont research the Obj 430. Ill get bumped down to a tier 8. BULL-FLOPPIN-POOP>

Altwar #5 Posted Oct 13 2017 - 20:07

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And what would happen to those of us who already have the tier 10 Obj 430 in our garages?  It would totally suck to have to do the grind to the new tier 10 yet again!  And my experience was that the current Obj 416 and Obj 430 V II weren't too enjoyable.  My skill set (or lack there of) didn't mesh too well with a rear turrent medium.  I found I'd have to reduce my overall map awareness to focus on maneuvering improvements just to have my gun positioned where I could actually have targets to shoot at.

 

IMO, this isn't a change anyone I know asked for...



Toxicity73 #6 Posted Oct 13 2017 - 20:09

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View PostAltwar, on Oct 13 2017 - 12:07, said:

And what would happen to those of us who already have the tier 10 Obj 430 in our garages?  It would totally suck to have to do the grind to the new tier 10 yet again!  And my experience was that the current Obj 416 and Obj 430 V II weren't too enjoyable.  My skill set (or lack there of) didn't mesh too well with a rear turrent medium.  I found I'd have to reduce my overall map awareness to focus on maneuvering improvements just to have my gun positioned where I could actually have targets to shoot at.

 

IMO, this isn't a change anyone I know asked for...

 

Agreed, the only reason I can see is they are trying to create tanks to combat the stupidly hard to penetrate super heavies and TDS at tier 10

BaconMeLoveIt #7 Posted Oct 13 2017 - 20:11

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View PostToxicity73, on Oct 13 2017 - 11:07, said:

Well this is just FANTASTIC Im currently grinding the obj 430. I have the obj 430 ll. So what ur telling me is that is I dont research the Obj 430. Ill get bumped down to a tier 8. BULL-FLOPPIN-POOP>

 

They are just doing the something similar they did on the T34/T30 line.

 

Unless the Obj 416 will be completely removed from the game and not be a premium vehicle, even if same tier.



Gothraul #8 Posted Oct 13 2017 - 20:17

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I may have sucked in the 416 but WHY remove it? Annoyed that I might have to yolo grind the last bit of the way to the 430 before the changes so not to get cheated out of my xp. I hope that I keep my 416's stats in someway along with the 430 2's as I worked for what I have and for it to go poof is very annoying.

 

I would prefer to keep the 416 as a reward tank if possible being an iconic tank for many who have been with the game for so long.



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It would be really nice to see the post patch Tech Tree. Is the T-54 still going to be researchable via the Obj 416's replacement? I've researched the T-54 but haven't bought it yet. The 416 was a dreadfully long grind. I really didn't enjoy that tank even though I seem to have done ok in it. I currently have it parked but maybe I should grind out the 430 before these changes are implemented.

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View PostPlays_With_Matches, on Oct 13 2017 - 13:24, said:

It would be really nice to see the post patch Tech Tree. Is the T-54 still going to be researchable via the Obj 416's replacement? I've researched the T-54 but haven't bought it yet. The 416 was a dreadfully long grind. I really didn't enjoy that tank even though I seem to have done ok in it. I currently have it parked but maybe I should grind out the 430 before these changes are implemented.

Looks like T-54 can be had off of three lines.

https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2017/10/13/wot-supertest-object-430-branch-changes/

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If these changes happen, the tier 7 and 8 will be rear mounted turrets, then the tier 9 and 10 will be standard-mounted turrets. The tier 8, 9 and 10 will still play differently from one another, so I'm not sure what the point of this is. If they wanted to make the line play similarly, wouldn't it make more sense to make them all rear-mounted turrets?

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View PostCabbageMechanic, on Oct 13 2017 - 13:55, said:

 

 

 

 

 

248mm of "Hull" and 120mm of Turret armour?



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View PostPlays_With_Matches, on Oct 13 2017 - 14:38, said:

248mm of "Hull" and 120mm of Turret armour?

 

That must be a mistake...they have been giving all meds stronger turets. 248 is what it has now at T10

 

Looks like a 121 to be in a lot of ways....kind of wish I didn't get the 430 now.


Edited by jeffrywb1, Oct 13 2017 - 20:44.


Strike_Witch_Tomoko #14 Posted Oct 13 2017 - 20:46

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Obj 430 at tier 9 will be OP vs the already well performing T-54......might want to reduce its rof.......

 

 

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Edited by CabbageMechanic, Oct 13 2017 - 21:08.


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so how much will this new tier X step on the 121's turf? strong front armor and large guns is what the chinese meds do best so having them step onto their turf is a little iffy.

 

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Edited by CabbageMechanic, Oct 13 2017 - 21:09.


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That's quite a big DPM nerf.  Looks like I don't have a reason to buy the tier 9 and finish that grind.

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What's up with the pen on the Tier IX Obj 430? 238/248 gives little reason to use the gold ammo.  I mean, 248 is lowest gold pen in tier and class, with the 430 II having much better gold pen at tier 8.

Further, the hull and turret armor seem a bit backwards on the 430, though I suspect a simple transcription error there.

A-44 still has a meh turret, but it's been that way I guess, so no significant change there.

I also don't understand why the decision was made to go this route rather than enhancing the existing differences between the lines by making the current tier 10 object 430 a rear turret design like the preceeding 3 tiers.

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View Postspud_tuber, on Oct 13 2017 - 15:15, said:

What's up with the pen on the Tier IX Obj 430? 238/248 gives little reason to use the gold ammo. I mean, 248 is lowest gold pen in tier and class, with the 430 II having much better gold pen at tier 8.

Further, the hull and turret armor seem a bit backwards on the 430, though I suspect a simple transcription error there.

A-44 still has a meh turret, but it's been that way I guess, so no significant change there.

I also don't understand why the decision was made to go this route rather than enhancing the existing differences between the lines by making the current tier 10 object 430 a rear turret design like the preceeding 3 tiers.

 

The turret does look as if it gets progressively further forward as you go up the line. Which seems a little backwards to be honest. I would have thought this would have become more unique as you progressed up the line. It looks more like this is forcing the 430 line into the same roll as the Obj140, etc... I suppose that would align with WG's plans for the match maker changes they just announced as well.

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View PostKen_McGuire, on Oct 13 2017 - 10:59, said:

So what are you going to do with the 416? It is only one of the best tier 8 MT's currently...

 

No info on what would happen to the 416 yet.
 

View PostBaconMeLoveIt, on Oct 13 2017 - 11:02, said:

Will the Soviet mediums and British heavies update be on the same patch?

 

No.  The British Heavies are coming soon in 9.20.1, these changes are just now being introduced to Supertest.
 

View PostToxicity73, on Oct 13 2017 - 11:07, said:

Well this is just FANTASTIC Im currently grinding the obj 430. I have the obj 430 ll. So what ur telling me is that is I dont research the Obj 430. Ill get bumped down to a tier 8. BULL-FLOPPIN-POOP>

 

We won't bump you down a tier, if you are currently at Tier IX you will receive whatever the new Tier IX is.  

View PostAltwar, on Oct 13 2017 - 11:07, said:

And what would happen to those of us who already have the tier 10 Obj 430 in our garages? 

 

See above, you will receive the new Tier X if the Obj. 430 gets dropped.

 

View PostPlays_With_Matches, on Oct 13 2017 - 11:38, said:

248mm of "Hull" and 120mm of Turret armour?

 

View Postjeffrywb1, on Oct 13 2017 - 11:42, said:

 

That must be a mistake...they have been giving all meds stronger turets. 248 is what it has now at T10

 

Looks like a 121 to be in a lot of ways....kind of wish I didn't get the 430 now.

 

You are correct, the 430 v II is also off, will update the images shortly.

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So if I have the 430, will I get both it at tier 9 and the new tier 10?





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