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madxbrad13 #21 Posted Oct 13 2017 - 22:07

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I personally loved the 430 V2 a hell of alot more then the 416

The gun is great and snaps pretty easily 

armor is great along with the reload

used to do the 9 1v1 tornys in it and bully every tank i faced

I love the 430 even more with its insane DPM 

i personally dont see a need for these changes but the new 430U stats does look pretty good 

 



Gravtech #22 Posted Oct 13 2017 - 22:26

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Also, it's currently a bad 121

 

Stat 121 Obj 430U
Hit Points 1950 2000
Hull Armor 120/80/60 160/90/45
Turret Armor 240/130/60 300/195/65
Turret Traverse Speed 40 38
Suspension Traverse Speed 50 52
View Range 400 400
Top Speed 56 50
Penetration 258/340/68 252/340/68
Alpha Damage 440 440
Dispersion .35 .4
Aim Time 2.7 2.3
Reload Time 9.6 10.2

 



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View PostCabbageMechanic, on Oct 13 2017 - 14:22, said:

 

No info on what would happen to the 416 yet.

 

Very disconcerting. Even supposing a best-case-scenario that anyone who currently owns the 416 gets to keep it as a reward tank still leaves us asking why all this counterproductive toying with the rest of the tanks in the line. This change is not solving any particular problem, the Obj 430 is already the most unique of the three standard tier 10 Russian mediums. Its only unpopular because bad gun handling is a frustrating thing to put up with. Aside from that, this change seems to be continuing the extant trend of trying to replace tanks so that the tech tree line's behavior becomes more consistent, but that too is an unhelpful and misplaced gesture intended to solve a nonexistent problem. Far better for each individual tank in the line to remain more unique than to replace it with a series of uninspired clones that are no better balanced nor any more interesting.

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PLEASE convert the Obj. 416 to a special premium if you are removing it. It is one of my permanent tanks for a reason. I love it. 

godofdun #25 Posted Oct 14 2017 - 14:58

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View PostGravtech, on Oct 13 2017 - 14:26, said:

Also, it's currently a bad 121

 

Stat 121 Obj 430U
Hit Points 1950 2000
Hull Armor 120/80/60 160/90/45
Turret Armor 240/130/60 300/195/65
Turret Traverse Speed 40 38
Suspension Traverse Speed 50 52
View Range 400 400
Top Speed 56 50
Penetration 258/340/68 252/340/68
Alpha Damage 440 440
Dispersion .35 .4
Aim Time 2.7 2.3
Reload Time 9.6 10.2

 

 

Hard to know that until we see the soft stats, hell just from that I'd rather have the 430U since I value aim time over final accuracy.  The real problem is that it went from being too similar to the 62A/140 to being too similar to the 121.

 

Also, why murder the DPM on the 8 and 9 tiers?  DPM was one of the lines defining characteristics.  With other lines you've changed you've tried to keep the old play style, here you've thrown it out the window.



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View Postgodofdun, on Oct 14 2017 - 06:58, said:

 

Hard to know that until we see the soft stats, hell just from that I'd rather have the 430U since I value aim time over final accuracy.  The real problem is that it went from being too similar to the 62A/140 to being too similar to the 121.

 

Also, why murder the DPM on the 8 and 9 tiers?  DPM was one of the lines defining characteristics.  With other lines you've changed you've tried to keep the old play style, here you've thrown it out the window.

 

you prefer .04 better aim time over .05 better dispersion and .06 better reload? 

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View Postgodofdun, on Oct 14 2017 - 07:58, said:

*snip*

Also, why murder the DPM on the 8 and 9 tiers?  DPM was one of the lines defining characteristics.  With other lines you've changed you've tried to keep the old play style, here you've thrown it out the window.

As the line stands on live, the only tank on the line that has the "big boomstick" thing going for it is the A-44. The obj 416 has higher than average for class and tier alpha, but not to the big boomstick levels. Meanwhile, the entire line except the A-44, has DPM. The A-44 through obj 430 II are all rear turret.  And as you point out, the Chinese mediums already fill the boomstick niche.

 

All of this begs the question, why not keep either the rear turret and/or dpm playstyle, rather than changing the entire line into boomsticks?  Seems like less work and, especially in the case of the rear turret option, more interesting and unique results.



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248 gold ammo pen on the Obj 430 tier 9 when it would regularly see tier 10 tanks?  What kind of crack smoker thought that was a good idea.  It would have trouble penning most tier 10 heavies and many tier 10's TDs frontally.  It probably couldn't pen the weak spots of a Type 5 Heavy while the type 5 can auto aim and snapshot the 430 for 700 damage per shot.

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View PostBavor, on Oct 14 2017 - 17:23, said:

248 gold ammo pen on the Obj 430 tier 9 when it would regularly see tier 10 tanks?  What kind of crack smoker thought that was a good idea.  It would have trouble penning most tier 10 heavies and many tier 10's TDs frontally.  It probably couldn't pen the weak spots of a Type 5 Heavy while the type 5 can auto aim and snapshot the 430 for 700 damage per shot.

 

Yes, they must have thought it was a tier ten light (T-100LT *gold* pen is 248- then, as its AP, it drops 20% of that over 500m - what a joke)

 

My comment on the new tier ten is that the Object 430 on server currently has 248 turret and 120 hull armor, and the new guy 430u is supposedly going to have 300 turret and 160 hull armor - what the heck?

Oh - and 440 alpha...

And wait- theres more - its as fast as a T-62a....

This shows that no lessons were learned from the T-22 Medium debacle



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View PostGravtech, on Oct 13 2017 - 12:59, said:

So if I have the 430, will I get both it at tier 9 and the new tier 10?

 

Correct

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Well rip the 113 and 121. This is just straight up better.

spud_tuber #32 Posted Oct 16 2017 - 20:22

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Cabbage, can you ask back up the line why the current idea is to make the 430 line into a line with high alpha?

 

I would think, if the desire is to make the line more unique, that instead keeping the rear turret theme would be better than the current plan, which leaves the tiers 9 & 10 very similar to the Chinese mediums.



ChokeMe_WhipMe_Maika #33 Posted Oct 16 2017 - 20:25

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View PostCabbageMechanic, on Oct 16 2017 - 11:32, said:

 

Correct

 

but does that mean that the Obj. 430 in the garage currently is converted to a tier 9 reward and then of course we get the 430U? Or will there be a tier 9 normal 430, tier X reward 430, and tier X 430U?

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View PostZennosha, on Oct 16 2017 - 12:25, said:

 

but does that mean that the Obj. 430 in the garage currently is converted to a tier 9 reward and then of course we get the 430U? Or will there be a tier 9 normal 430, tier X reward 430, and tier X 430U?

I'm guessing it will still be the same tank. But just dropping a tier and stats change. I highly doubt that they will waste thier time encoding a 2nd tier 10 obj 430. It will be confusing as hell when you load into battle and you see obj 430 at tier 9 and 10



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Any news about the 416?

IanSanJr #36 Posted Oct 17 2017 - 04:45

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this horrible tank 0.4 accuracy dispersion...

 

i dont like this thing and not better than 62a/140



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View PostMajorRenegade, on Oct 16 2017 - 15:37, said:

I'm guessing it will still be the same tank. But just dropping a tier and stats change. I highly doubt that they will waste thier time encoding a 2nd tier 10 obj 430. It will be confusing as hell when you load into battle and you see obj 430 at tier 9 and 10

 

I will admit I have always wonder what a down-graded russian tier 10 medium would look like. Like what are they going to do with the greatest thing about the mediums. That pure ROF DPM they got. I would love to see what it becomes now. Also RIP t-54 now. Why play that when the 430 is far better in every aspect unless they nerf the pen as well.

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I really dont understand why WG is going to change this line... 430 is a great tank and works perfect. I dont see anybody asking for changes. 

And looking the stats the new tier 10 is going to be more like a heavy tank... high alpha, armor, long reload... why this change?

 

 



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View PostGravtech, on Oct 14 2017 - 15:48, said:

 

you prefer .04 better aim time over .05 better dispersion and .06 better reload? 

Yes.

 

View PostGothraul, on Oct 16 2017 - 19:17, said:

Any news about the 416?

Bring it back a long time later as a premium like the lorry 40t :trollface:.

 

But seriously I think that they should make it a special premium, even if they have to just make it produce normal credits since they don't want to be giving away credit grinders for free.



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Just noticed that the Obj 416 just went HD in 9.20.1 ....





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