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Finnegan_Gromyko #1 Posted Oct 16 2017 - 20:00

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Hey tankers,

I just completed my article on Wot Talk about the upcoming changes to the Object 430 Russian medium tank line, and they are huge. These will be very different tanks if and when they are introduced to replace the current line.

In general terms you can expect slower, more heavily armoured tanks with high alpha, derpy guns, compared to the current line, or (for example) the Object 140 line.

You can see the article along with a great video by DezGamez by CLICKING HERE.

I'm interested to see what you all think of these changes, especially if you already own these tanks!



DieselDog79 #2 Posted Oct 16 2017 - 20:09

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so it will be like the STG

warrior531 #3 Posted Oct 16 2017 - 20:27

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I did like the Obj. 430 a lot, but never really had much luck in it. Maybe this might invite the return of me from a six month break.

thandiflight #4 Posted Oct 16 2017 - 20:55

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Soviet clone of Chinese tank ......121 for Mother Russia.....and the 121 is popular? GG Well played. Why can't we just keep the current Obj 430 (great brawler with superb dpm) as a "special" and get this PoS clone as the replacement? Why do we have to lose the Obj 416? Who cares that there is no "progression"? It is not like "progression" is actually relevant. The only thing that needs to be consistent in a line is the crew - numbers and positions. It's not like the Tier II plays like the Tier V plays like the Tier VIII plays like the Tier X. It would be good for the crew to be able to progress up the line tho'. Like why does the FV4005 Stage II suddenly need an extra crew member over the Conway? Other than forcing the player to spend gold and free XP to "bring up to speed" with rest of crew that is.

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View Postthandiflight, on Oct 16 2017 - 19:55, said:

Soviet clone of Chinese tank ......121 for Mother Russia.....and the 121 is popular? GG Well played. Why can't we just keep the current Obj 430 (great brawler with superb dpm) as a "special" and get this PoS clone as the replacement? Why do we have to lose the Obj 416? Who cares that there is no "progression"? It is not like "progression" is actually relevant. The only thing that needs to be consistent in a line is the crew - numbers and positions. It's not like the Tier II plays like the Tier V plays like the Tier VIII plays like the Tier X. It would be good for the crew to be able to progress up the line tho'. Like why does the FV4005 Stage II suddenly need an extra crew member over the Conway? Other than forcing the player to spend gold and free XP to "bring up to speed" with rest of crew that is.

 

It's taken me 5 years but I think I've finally figured out the strategy....

 

1)  If it's a fun tank and everyone loves it .... nerf into oblivion or remove from game

2)  If it's broken .... don't fix it

3)  If it's not broken ....  fix it

 



ShookYang #6 Posted Oct 16 2017 - 21:49

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I'd say the 430u would be more similar to a 113 in terms of alpha and hull shape than the 5a.  You can't really angle your armor in the 5a, and the alpha is the same as the 113.  The 5a has a higher alpha.

Finnegan_Gromyko #7 Posted Oct 18 2017 - 18:21

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View PostShookYang, on Oct 16 2017 - 21:49, said:

I'd say the 430u would be more similar to a 113 in terms of alpha and hull shape than the 5a.  You can't really angle your armor in the 5a, and the alpha is the same as the 113.  The 5a has a higher alpha.

 

I would say that's accurate, but I was thinking of it more as a potential medium replacement for the WZ-111 5A in clan wars.

ShookYang #8 Posted Oct 18 2017 - 23:34

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View PostFinnegan_Gromyko, on Oct 18 2017 - 09:21, said:

 

I would say that's accurate, but I was thinking of it more as a potential medium replacement for the WZ-111 5A in clan wars.

Not sure about that.  The gun depression makes working the hills impossible.  You'll have to expose the hull, which makes the turret armor irrelevant.

 

Since the 430u's armor is more similar to the 113, and the 113 was replaced by the 5a in Clan Wars, I would still think the 5a would be the preferred choice.

 

My only two tier 10 tanks are the 430 and 5a.  And I'd much rather tank my 5a out in any scenario over the 430.  Love the DPM on the 430, but the lack of gun depression and low alpha makes it too frustrating to play.



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View PostShookYang, on Oct 18 2017 - 23:34, said:

Not sure about that.  The gun depression makes working the hills impossible.  You'll have to expose the hull, which makes the turret armor irrelevant.

 

Since the 430u's armor is more similar to the 113, and the 113 was replaced by the 5a in Clan Wars, I would still think the 5a would be the preferred choice.

 

My only two tier 10 tanks are the 430 and 5a.  And I'd much rather tank my 5a out in any scenario over the 430.  Love the DPM on the 430, but the lack of gun depression and low alpha makes it too frustrating to play.

 

I have to agree with you. In fact, I would say the Obj. 140 is better for me. I'm not a fan of derpy guns; I like accuracy and good pen. Derpy guns are great when they hit ... and can lead to a quick death when they don't.

Gothraul #10 Posted Oct 20 2017 - 12:29

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Meh, more likely to be an annoyance than a real problem unlike somethings that have existed in the past. People need to wait as one never really knows what WG is going to do until the last minute.

ShookYang #11 Posted Oct 20 2017 - 17:13

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View PostFinnegan_Gromyko, on Oct 19 2017 - 12:41, said:

 

I have to agree with you. In fact, I would say the Obj. 140 is better for me. I'm not a fan of derpy guns; I like accuracy and good pen. Derpy guns are great when they hit ... and can lead to a quick death when they don't.

The 430 doesn't have good accuracy.  :)

 

I'm starting to like high alpha guns.  Have to expose the tank much less often than a low alpha, high DPM tank like the 430.



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What I want to to know is, is it worth it to grind out the Obj 430 line before the changes take place?

 

Will we be compensated for the loss of our obj 416?  If we are to be compensated what will we be given to replace the Object 416?



TankFullOfBourbon #13 Posted Jan 09 2018 - 19:30

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What they really should do is to upgrade the Obj.430 II to a new tier 10, with some buffs, and "invent" a Obj.416"U" or "II" or something for tier 9 - then there would be a full med line with rear mounted turrets. And then they could have a line from T-44 with the Obj.430 as now planned at tier 9 and the Obj.430U as the new hard shell soviet medium tier 10.

ShookYang #14 Posted Jan 10 2018 - 18:24

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View PostTankFullOfBourbon, on Jan 09 2018 - 10:30, said:

What they really should do is to upgrade the Obj.430 II to a new tier 10, with some buffs, and "invent" a Obj.416"U" or "II" or something for tier 9 - then there would be a full med line with rear mounted turrets. And then they could have a line from T-44 with the Obj.430 as now planned at tier 9 and the Obj.430U as the new hard shell soviet medium tier 10.

The latest announcements from WG Fest (yesterday) is that the Obj 416 is staying and the line will be it's own series of tanks.  They didn't announce what would come after the Obj 430 II yet, but it sounds like the line will be a rear turreted tank.

 

The Obj 430 is still moving down to tier 9 and will branch from the T-44.  From the tech tree pic I saw, I believe the T-54 will only go to the Obj 140 and T-62a, and the Obj 430 will only go to the Obj 430U.

 

I have a lot of free xp from the WoWP holiday boxes, and I'm thinking of spending the free XP to unlock the T-54 (but not buy it yet), just so I can have access to all 4 RU mediums when tech tree changes happen.






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