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_Major_Tomato #1 Posted Oct 19 2017 - 01:09

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I'm about half way grinding thru the Valentine, considering getting the Bishop.  I've read some good reviews, but some may have been before the big Arty changes in 9.18.  I like the sound of it having faster reload and aim time, and a high arc to hit things behind cover.   Is the Bishop worth the grind anymore?    If not, I'm reading a lot of recent posts saying the American line is the way to go, but I'd have to start at the Priest, would like to maybe get to the M44 at least if I go that route.

KanataKonoe #2 Posted Oct 19 2017 - 01:24

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I played the bishop before the arty nerf/buff. It was pretty good. Must move up alot to take shots because of short range. I'm sure the faster reload time helps it nicely though.

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Thanks for the response.  And sorry for the double post, forum is puking up some errors

heavymetal1967 #4 Posted Oct 19 2017 - 01:39

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It's worth it.  Same gun as the 304 at a tier lower and faster reload and aim time.

 

https://tanks.gg/compare/bishop?t=fv304

 

Per the earlier poster it's range like Bert's is pretty low so you have to move up which is more problematic due to it's slow speed.

 

Vents, rammer and GLD for equipment.  BIA first skill. 


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View Postheavymetal1967, on Oct 19 2017 - 00:39, said:

It's worth it.  Same gun as the 304 at a tier lower and faster reload and aim time.

 

https://tanks.gg/compare/bishop?t=fv304

 

Per the earlier poster it's range like Bert's is pretty low so you have to move up which is more problematic due to it's slow speed.

 

Vents, rammer and GLD for equipment.  BIA first skill. 

 

I found the Bishop's speed will work if you support slow tanks.  ...eg the Heavy tanks.  You can keep up to them and buildings/hills/etc... are no problem for the Bishop to hit.

indoctrinated #6 Posted Oct 19 2017 - 02:07

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I dunno about it nowadays but I found it to be an OP arty when used in troll platoons in high tier games.
http://wotreplays.eu/site/2613158

PanzerLeader_2 #7 Posted Oct 23 2017 - 05:04

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It's not as good as it was before it was nerfed in 9.18, but it's still good. The Bishop and FV304 both can hit targets that are normally safe with their high arc. It's also very accurate for an arty.  It takes a few dozen games to get used to the short range and narrow arc, but it's great fun once you get the hang of it.

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usma79south #8 Posted Oct 30 2017 - 01:35

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I'd say the bishop and the 304 hv bn nerfed too much - I'm not playing them anymore - 

the shells bounce off tier 7 & 8 heavies and TDs - 

if they don't improve the 304, it shouldn't hv to play 2 tiers up with 8s. 

Def recommend the American arty line, or the French instead. 

Next wd be the German line - 

I don't play the British line anymore



Paul_1986 #9 Posted Nov 01 2017 - 17:22

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I left the game about 9 months ago and came back last week. Its garbage now. It used to be one of the best artys in the game, now it can't do anything. I used to be able to land 200-300 dmg roof and engine deck shots if I set up at just the right angle and position, now those shots do 60-80 damage.

 

I used to average 1k dmg per game in Bishop, 3 MoE'd. Now I'm struggling to do 300 dmg per game. If they were going to cripple artillery they may as well have offered us a refund on the credit/xp on all of them so we could get something else.

 



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the nerf/changes were mostly to mid-high tier arty.  Bishop is still fine.

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View PostTsarCidron, on Nov 01 2017 - 11:54, said:

the nerf/changes were mostly to mid-high tier arty.  Bishop is still fine.

 

Nah, the bishop and FV304 were both nerfed and got no splash or stun.  I use my FV304 to make credits, but because you have to play so close, sixth sense is mandatory.  It's still fun to play, but seldom does good damage.

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I played the Bishop and FV304 quite a bit during the On Track event in December.  The Bishop generally did well, but the FV304 did not.  The penetration nerf in 9.18 hurt the FV304 more because it faces higher tier tanks than the Bishop.  The FV304 also missed a lot of shots, some going out of the aiming circle.  It's a shadow of its former self so I sold it.  RIP Bert the Avenger :(.

BeastsOfBattle #13 Posted Jan 09 2018 - 20:29

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Bishop is good but can be ineffective agaist higher tier armor.  I tend to target softer targets with it if I'm not doing damage on heavy armor. The crusader sp is good, better than Bert with the current situation.

Spanktankk #14 Posted Jan 09 2018 - 21:07

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I hated the Bishop

Combo of short range AND deathly slow mobility made it a "FREE XP" delight...if you can.

Meaning, free XP right past it if at all possible.



Sgt__Guffy #15 Posted Jan 14 2018 - 19:49

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I've stayed loyal to the Bishop after the nerf. It is now hard work to get a kill, it has no stun and the only thing Bert (FV304) has over the Bishop is speed. Do you really need speed with an artillery vehicle? Not the most important attribute I'd be looking for. The Bert has the same gun as the Bishop so why knock yourself out trying to damage tier eight heavies! 

 

I like short range artillery. It has a high risk factor, but the rewards are there and following the pack you are more likely to get targets. You are not going to get ace tanker in a hurry unless you find soft targets. Look upon Bishop and Bert as having a nuisance value, good for harassing the enemy, trying to make them make mistakes and finishing off badly damaged enemy vehicles. In the lower tiers they can still "plough the road:" making it easier for team mates to advance and make progress. Against Tier seven and eight, make a nuisance of yourself.

 

Bishop and Bert are not going to attract statpadders, then artillery is not for statpadders anyway. They are vehicles to play for fun and for die hard devotees. Stick with the German, French and American artillery if you are wanting to do serious damage. 

 

Have fun, keeping it short,

 

Guffy.



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View Posttjpanzer69, on Oct 19 2017 - 01:09, said:

I'm about half way grinding thru the Valentine, considering getting the Bishop.  I've read some good reviews, but some may have been before the big Arty changes in 9.18.  I like the sound of it having faster reload and aim time, and a high arc to hit things behind cover.   Is the Bishop worth the grind anymore?    If not, I'm reading a lot of recent posts saying the American line is the way to go, but I'd have to start at the Priest, would like to maybe get to the M44 at least if I go that route.

 

the most fun of any artillery I have is the Bishop and crusaderSP, I like the bert but keep getting into trouble.

 I use the short guns as they have that astound arc that gets people swearing at you in the garage PM.  I find myself playing only those three regularly. Tier 8-9 are to me , bla. I suck at the COnq but that big gun still packs a great punch.

 

Anyway the 9.I8 lowered alpha damages, but since these 3 already had low damage anyway, the change was negligible. What they did get was an astounding buff  in accuracy, aiming speed and a bit of loading time. That loading time gives these 3 another fun thing, permatracking. Damage tracks and sometimes keep the poor booger trapped for what must seem to him a long time. All along whittling him down.


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choSenfroZen_1 #17 Posted Jul 15 2018 - 22:09

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Is there a guide somewhere on the Bishop?

 

I am trying it out, with some success, but the shooting distance, I am have a hard time getting used to.

I always seem to get trapped at the wrong flank and spend most of my games trundling about fleeing enemies instead of shooting them.

 



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View PostchoSenfroZen_1, on Jul 15 2018 - 18:09, said:

Is there a guide somewhere on the Bishop?

 

I am trying it out, with some success, but the shooting distance, I am have a hard time getting used to.

I always seem to get trapped at the wrong flank and spend most of my games trundling about fleeing enemies instead of shooting them.

 

 

If you've grinded the arty line, you somewhat should've learned the pace of the matchs, the brawling areas, etcetera.
Bishop is a non-premium OP arty. It uses the same gun as the tier 6 and the base gun of the tier 7.
It's one of the best shell arcs of the game, have a fast reload, and can receive Vents (USE it!!!).

Thirty_BR #19 Posted Jul 18 2018 - 05:59

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I started playing SPG’s on the American tree on my other account. Somewhere around tier 4 or 5 I found myself dabbling in UK ,American, Russian, French, and German. Today, I have a tier 8 in American and tier 7 in Uk. While the other three I left behind at around tie 3 or 4.

 

With this all said and typed, I think Bishop is a great SPG! I do not pay attention to patches. I just play.

 

So with SPG’s, I have found some details that kind of go hand in hand with the different nations. Here are two that I know from my experience. The UK SPG’s are very practical built, very specific in their purpose, the UK line has definite idiosyncrasies that full fill idiosyncrasies found during battles. The Bishop and loyd gun carriage, my two favorite SPG’s thus far, may come off as lousy horrid SPG’s to play at first. Once you become trained to shoot and scoot though, you will love them or hate them even more.

 

The American line, my opinion!, They are OK! Not bad, just frustrating at times. They are the brute force of the two lines, UK and USA, which you ask about. The UK line more like tig welding, you can really get into places the American line can not.

 

I have not gone too far in USSR line so I will not comment on them, but based on my experience, they will be my third line level. French and German I do not know based on what I have experienced. I am not too fond of them yet.



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It's not uncommon for me to get 1000+ sometimes 2000+ damage with the bishop. I've kept it for fun and to see if the internet/wg is working well enough to play the game that day.





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