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Lert #1 Posted Oct 31 2017 - 18:37

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Did the Russians have 'jerrycans' during early war?  Specifically, early WWII. 1939 ~ 1941 era. Perhaps cans of own design? And, if so, of what design were they? Perhaps captured cans?

 

The reason I'm asking is because I have a few spare 1/16th scale jerrycans and I'm working on a 1/16th scale KV-2 and I'm wondering if it would be appropriate to put a few of them on the tank. They're generic, unlabeled cans of the following design:

 

 

 



Yankee #2 Posted Oct 31 2017 - 18:58

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From a brief bit of research it sure seems they favored the cylinder designs we are used to seeing in game

But it’s your model, and it a reasonable assumption they could salvage German equipment or Lend lease

Lonewolfpj #3 Posted Oct 31 2017 - 19:02

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American style lend lease cans were common. I would send you a photo of a Red Army Marshaling area if I can can find the old thing.

Da_Craw #4 Posted Oct 31 2017 - 19:24

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They certainly adopted the design at some point.  I didn't see any reference to when, though. Sadly, one of the results on the first page of googling the question is this forum thread. 

Lert #5 Posted Oct 31 2017 - 19:28

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View PostYankee, on Oct 31 2017 - 17:58, said:

From a brief bit of research it sure seems they favored the cylinder designs we are used to seeing in game

But it’s your model, and it a reasonable assumption they could salvage German equipment or Lend lease

 

I just want to try to make it a realistic 'what if' tank, and if the answer remains 'maybe' then I'm just going to leave them off and be happy with a few tarp rolls and a crate on its fenders.

 

View PostLonewolfpj, on Oct 31 2017 - 18:02, said:

American style lend lease cans were common. I would send you a photo of a Red Army Marshaling area if I can can find the old thing.

 

US style jerrycans were a different style though. They had a cross on the sides instead of the - ... Well, the design in my OP. That said, the british cans of WWII looked very similar, almost identical to the ones I have. Hmmmmm ...

 

View PostDa_Craw, on Oct 31 2017 - 18:24, said:

They certainly adopted the design at some point.  I didn't see any reference to when, though. Sadly, one of the results on the first page of googling the question is this forum thread. 

 

At some point, yes. Which is the issue - my tank is an early war one.

Edited by Lert, Oct 31 2017 - 19:29.


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http://beutepanzer.r...v-2/kv_2_87.JPG

 

Is that a jerrycan on its side on the left side of the pic?  I have seen a few of these  KV-2 pics that look like they might have a jerrycan on them.  They are all captured tanks, though.  

 

EDIT: found this one, but it is not clear if those are jerrycans.

 

http://4.bp.blogspot...nfanteria+2.jpg


Edited by Da_Craw, Oct 31 2017 - 20:19.


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View PostDa_Craw, on Oct 31 2017 - 19:17, said:

Is that a jerrycan on its side on the left side of the pic? 

 

I don't think so.

 

View PostDa_Craw, on Oct 31 2017 - 19:17, said:

hey are all captured tanks, though.

 

Yeah, germans would be sure to put jerrycans on captured vehicles, that doesn't mean the original crew did.



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View PostLert, on Oct 31 2017 - 13:20, said:

 

I don't think so.

 

 

Yeah, germans would be sure to put jerrycans on captured vehicles, that doesn't mean the original crew did.

 

I don't suppose you are doing a "planned invasion of Malta" theme?  I saw a pic of a captured KV-2 being prepped for use in that non-operation.  It was probably gray, though....  

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View PostLonewolfpj, on Oct 31 2017 - 13:02, said:

American style lend lease cans were common. I would send you a photo of a Red Army Marshaling area if I can can find the old thing.

 

All armies on the Eastern Front had a habit of using captured equipment.  There are literally tons of photos of Germans in Russian gear, Russians in German kit, and Finns using both.  I did WW2 historical reenactment for a long time as a Soviet and a large portion of equipment was US Lend Lease, German Capture, or Soviet made.  Many soviet items were clones of German items.

You can safely use US style Jerry Cans on a Soviet model and not have it be out of place.  It would actually add a touch or realism.



Isola_di_Fano #10 Posted Oct 31 2017 - 21:00

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Hi OP,

 

The jerry can you posted seems to be of german origin

 Americans generally seem to have an X on the side (as did some German models), those with the design you posted are usually of German origin

http://histomil.com/viewtopic.php?t=9019

 

Following link has pretty much all anyone need to know on German cans  http://sdkfz7.free.fr/

They were in service in Germany from 1936 onward, and the link has somes pictures for customization

 

They were also copied in the Soviet bloc after the war it seems

http://g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=110752

 

You can safely assumes some of the German cans were ''commissioned'' by the Soviets as early as September 41 in some counter-offensives in between Moscow and Leningrad.

I would have no issue putting those on a Russian tank from late 41 onward.


Edited by Isola_di_Fano, Oct 31 2017 - 21:05.


Isola_di_Fano #11 Posted Oct 31 2017 - 21:27

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I forgot.

This site has some interesting pics, not very detailed but can be interesting for camo amongst other things  http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/soviet/soviet_KV-2.php

 

 






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