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BotherRed #1 Posted Nov 18 2017 - 02:00

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I know this has been said and it will be said until they do this, but WarGaming. Please buff the IS6's penetration. You can't tell me the 175 base AP shell or even the 217 APCR rounds are good enough for today's WoT line up of O-Ho's, VK 100.01 (P), Defender, T26E5, even the IS-6 can't pen itself, at least if feels like it. The gold rounds are laughable at best when you start to face tier 9 tanks. They couldn't do anything to a E-75 from the front, they can't go though most of the WZ line. Its just wasting money that you could be using. 

 

My suggestion is buff the AP and APCR rounds to a higher penetration, or switch to APCR stander with HEAT prem. The IS-6 was great when it was added back in 0.7.8 but it isn't that time any more. We have super heaves rolling around as early as tier 7, the same tier that that 175 mm of pen should work. And with the newest update coming out which not only is buffing all of the AT line but adding a new French line which will cause problems for anyone with low penetration like the IS-6. This isn't the same game when the tank was added, it needs to be updated to fit the game is in now. The amour in my case holds up pretty well, if you buff that, I'm not complaining. But please let the IS-6 shine again. That's all I would like. Other prem tanks like it, T34 for a example can take a hit, throw it back, and smack the enemy into the next map while the IS-6 looks at the enemy and tosses rocks at it. The rocks would do more damage then their AP shells.



Kamahl1234 #2 Posted Nov 18 2017 - 02:13

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If you do this the IS-6 would lose the reason it has pref MM, which is the gun having poor pen. 

 

And the IS-6 shined for years, it's kind of about time something replaced it as the go-to favourite. 



Ophrys12 #3 Posted Nov 18 2017 - 02:19

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If they buff the IS6's AP pen, they'll have to do the same to the 112 and the WZ-111 which have essentially the same gun and also have pref. MM. Personally, I think that WG may just give the IS6 the same 250 mm pen HEAT rounds the chinese premiums have.

Gothraul #4 Posted Nov 18 2017 - 02:21

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From having watched videos of the devs themselves and reading Q/As the limited MM feature of the tanks is likely to remain but that will limit the extent of the buff though that is not to say that they won't just take away the limited mm at a later time. Any big changes that could do more harm than good to some premiums will cause poop storms on EU and RU like nothing else so that is why WG is so Edited slow and why we are stuck with tanks like the KV5 and the AT15A ect.

 

For normal MM the IS6 would need more than just a simple gun swap as the armor no longer holds up due to the excessive gold spam the current meta demands, the KV5 is simply dead as is let alone should it be forced to face things like the new Badger and JPE100penis ect someday.

 



Silversound #5 Posted Nov 18 2017 - 02:23

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View PostKamahl1234, on Nov 17 2017 - 17:13, said:

And the IS-6 shined for years, it's kind of about time something replaced it as the go-to favourite. 

 

Booo. I spent money to buy this tank for several people (six total) and it needs to be buffed.

 

Nothing too much or it will go back to being OP.

Just enough to keep it from collecting dust in our garages.

 

One shouldn't have to keep dumping $50 every time they power creep a tank.



Gothraul #6 Posted Nov 18 2017 - 02:24

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View PostSilversound, on Nov 18 2017 - 02:23, said:

 

Booo. I spent money to buy this tank for several people and it needs to be buffed.

 

Nothing too much or it will go back to being OP.

Just enough to keep it from collecting dust in my garage.

 

It was only op to tier 6 padders and crappy tier 7s that should have been buffed years ago like the amx m4 45 that people will soon rage about in great numbers.

Sam_Sanister #7 Posted Nov 18 2017 - 02:33

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View PostGothraul, on Nov 17 2017 - 19:24, said:

 

 crappy tier 7s that should have been buffed years ago like the amx m4 45


AMX M4 45 does need buffed, mainly in the gun handling department.
A top speed buff and gun depression to the sides/rear would also be nice.
Gun depression goes to -1 pretty quickly once you pass 60 degrees either side.

I don't dislike the AMX M4 45; it plays similarly to the M6 or VK 4502 A (pre-buff, when it was more medium than heavy).
 



Kamahl1234 #8 Posted Nov 18 2017 - 02:33

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View PostSilversound, on Nov 18 2017 - 01:23, said:

 

Booo. I spent money to buy this tank for several people (six total) and it needs to be buffed.

 

Nothing too much or it will go back to being OP.

Just enough to keep it from collecting dust in our garages.

 

One shouldn't have to keep dumping $50 every time they power creep a tank.

 

Well you don't have to keep dumping 50$.

 

And again, the single thing that made this tank have pref MM is the sub-par pen. having better pen would likely easily put it on par with tree tanks (for the desired pen to combat many of the mentioned tanks) so it no longer would need pref MM. Otherwise it's now a better tank than tree tanks,



utgotye #9 Posted Nov 18 2017 - 02:35

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You could buff the standard pen to 190ish and give the APCR rd about 235 so it could have decent odds of penning itself and give it a chance of penning equal tier heavies.  I understand the idea of having to flank the enemy but since that exposes your side armor and makes you a viable target for tier VI gold rounds and the plethora of simple corridor maps that would make such flanking almost impossible, it's not really asking a lot (10ish% pen buff).  It would still be sub par in comparison to pretty much every other tier VIII heavy (other than the KV-5 and that is questionable) but at least in tier VIII and IX games you wouldn't feel like nothing but a liability/HP pinata.

 

If you wanted to remove the pref mm, just buff the frontal armor 10% and give it BL-9-like stats or keep the armor as is and give it a tier VIII version of the top gun on the T-10/ST-I, a M62-T1, if you will, with, say 230-240 standard and... eh 290ish gold.


Edited by utgotye, Nov 18 2017 - 02:42.


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View PostKamahl1234, on Nov 17 2017 - 17:33, said:

it's now a better tank than tree tanks,

 

How often do you see them in tier eight stronks?



SacherMasoc #11 Posted Nov 18 2017 - 03:10

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The fact that the IS-6 and T34 are being given away free suggests there are no buffs planned for either. Post buff cash grabs would be the standard course of action. The IS-6 will remain reliant on gold spam but as mentioned it had it's time in the sun before the OP premium era, and it got substantial buffs every five minutes. T34 pen is fine when you can actually hit the target but the rest of the package is hopelessly outdated. The token buffs it got a while back were a joke.

 

If pref. MM is eventually canned as rumored it'll be interesting to see what happens with the IS-6. Surely a pen buff will be in order if it's to face tier 10s.



YANKEE137 #12 Posted Nov 18 2017 - 03:26

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Painting it black wasn't a buff?

 



Kamahl1234 #13 Posted Nov 18 2017 - 03:27

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View PostSilversound, on Nov 18 2017 - 01:38, said:

 

How often do you see them in tier eight stronks?

 

You know there's more than just stronks, right? Besides, many stronks is just min/maxing profits anyways. 

 

The IS-6 was the go-to premium but rarely ever used in competitive modes against equal tiers to great effect due to being weaker gunned. Hell, the only times I've seen it used was as armored bait due to the gun. So buffing it to competitive levels would mean loss of preferential match making. Pure and simple as the main detriment to the tank resulting in pref is the pen. 



HowitzerBlitzer #14 Posted Nov 18 2017 - 03:32

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WG might as well replace it with the Defender at this point, going to take too much work to fix.

___pew #15 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 21:57

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+1 for bump




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