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Klaatu_Nicto #1 Posted Nov 20 2017 - 22:56

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Al_Scarface_Capone_ #3 Posted Nov 20 2017 - 23:35

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Blame China :trollface:



Da_Vinci #4 Posted Nov 20 2017 - 23:47

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View PostAl_Scarface_Capone_, on Nov 20 2017 - 17:35, said:

Blame China :trollface:

 

Yea, blame the currently developing countries for polluting after the developed countries already did plenty to pollute the environment in their industrial age.

Gotta get a scapegoat from somewhere.



stalkervision #5 Posted Nov 21 2017 - 00:00

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can't you find a story about WG's forbidden history? :P

Markd73 #6 Posted Nov 21 2017 - 00:25

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This is the same poster who refuses  to acknowledge the validity of human caused climate change.

Must be a giant conspiracy lead by thousands of insanely “rich and powerful” scientists.

 

 

Seems legit



Klaatu_Nicto #7 Posted Nov 21 2017 - 01:48

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View PostMarkd73, on Nov 20 2017 - 15:25, said:

This is the same poster who refuses  to acknowledge the validity of human caused climate change.

Must be a giant conspiracy lead by thousands of insanely “rich and powerful” scientists.

 

 

Seems legit

 

I'm the poster who actually follows real science, not theory and 'group think,' and who looks at current and historic data.

 

You might have missed the big news a couple of months ago - the 'top people' behind the human caused climate change theory just admitted they overestimated the effects of CO2 on by 50%.

 

What this means is just about every science paper written in the past couple of decades on the subject of global warming caused by human emissions of C02 is based on the work of these 'top people' and every one of those science papers now have to be rewritten or trashed. These 'top people' are also finally recognizing solar activity and volcanoes have an impact on climate change.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I visit the following website daily.

 

Daily Sun: 20 Nov 2017 - The sun is blank--no sunspots.

http://spaceweather.com/



Klaatu_Nicto #8 Posted Nov 21 2017 - 19:47

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View Poststalkervision, on Nov 20 2017 - 15:00, said:

can't you find a story about WG's forbidden history? :P

 

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62bish #9 Posted Nov 21 2017 - 20:56

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Sometimes I feel the human species is getting what it deserves.
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Klaatu_Nicto #10 Posted Nov 21 2017 - 22:16

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Forty years ago, to stop global cooling, scientists proposed melting the ice caps.

 

Today, to stop global warming, ...............

 

November 11, 2017 - The scientists have analyzed a much-discussed approach: injecting sulfur dioxide to the upper atmosphere, above the cloud layer. The idea of fighting global warming with these injections is taken from history’s biggest volcanic eruptions. These aerosols, which stay in the atmosphere for a few years, envelop the Earth with the help of stratospheric winds, creating a reflective layer that cools the planet.
http://www.geoengine...it-warming.html

 

Meanwhile, due to the slowing down of the earth's rotation, we may be seeing an increase in earthquakes and volcanic activity in the very near future.



Horribad_At_Tanks #11 Posted Nov 21 2017 - 22:36

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View PostDa_Vinci, on Nov 20 2017 - 17:47, said:

 

Yea, blame the currently developing countries for polluting after the developed countries already did plenty to pollute the environment in their industrial age.

Gotta get a scapegoat from somewhere.

 

China has access to the exact same scrubber technologies that are used in the west but chooses to not use them for cost savings. This is due to the feudal nature of the way the thousands of coal fired power plants are managed and even if the tech is installed its often not used and the savings are put in the managers pockets. China's biggest problem is internal corruption on every level of its infrastructure.

 

So yes we can point the finger firmly at china for the massive air pollution it chooses to allow.

 

View PostKlaatu_Nicto, on Nov 21 2017 - 16:16, said:

Forty years ago, to stop global cooling, scientists proposed melting the ice caps.

 

Today, to stop global warming, ...............

 

November 11, 2017 - The scientists have analyzed a much-discussed approach: injecting sulfur dioxide to the upper atmosphere, above the cloud layer. The idea of fighting global warming with these injections is taken from history’s biggest volcanic eruptions. These aerosols, which stay in the atmosphere for a few years, envelop the Earth with the help of stratospheric winds, creating a reflective layer that cools the planet.
http://www.geoengine...it-warming.html

 

Meanwhile, due to the slowing down of the earth's rotation, we may be seeing an increase in earthquakes and volcanic activity in the very near future.

 

Well if a clever globalist wanted mass depopulation then they would fund a program to deflect sunlight and change the planets albedo so that when the grand solar minimum hits it generates a true mini ice age. If that happens then crop lands across the globe will fail en mass being reduced to the lower latitudes which means countries like india and china lose the majority of their population. Why? Because right this moment they completely rely upon america and canada to supply 40% of their crops from the current belt of fertile farmland that stretches almost all the way to the north pole during peak growing season due to the current grand solar maximum we have been enjoying these past thirty years or so. This maximum has allowed vast stretches of previously unfarmable land to become usable and for other crop lands to increase both yields and growing season length so more crops can be harvested per season. This has led to a massive explosion in global population which is about to turn around and bite us on the [edited]. If this prediction of the solar minimum is true then some mighty bad times are ahead for humanity.

 

 

 

 



Klaatu_Nicto #12 Posted Nov 22 2017 - 03:34

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View PostHorribad_At_Tanks, on Nov 21 2017 - 13:36, said:

 

China has access to the exact same scrubber technologies that are used in the west but chooses to not use them for cost savings. This is due to the feudal nature of the way the thousands of coal fired power plants are managed and even if the tech is installed its often not used and the savings are put in the managers pockets. China's biggest problem is internal corruption on every level of its infrastructure.

 

So yes we can point the finger firmly at china for the massive air pollution it chooses to allow.

 

 

Well if a clever globalist wanted mass depopulation then they would fund a program to deflect sunlight and change the planets albedo so that when the grand solar minimum hits it generates a true mini ice age. If that happens then crop lands across the globe will fail en mass being reduced to the lower latitudes which means countries like india and china lose the majority of their population. Why? Because right this moment they completely rely upon america and canada to supply 40% of their crops from the current belt of fertile farmland that stretches almost all the way to the north pole during peak growing season due to the current grand solar maximum we have been enjoying these past thirty years or so. This maximum has allowed vast stretches of previously unfarmable land to become usable and for other crop lands to increase both yields and growing season length so more crops can be harvested per season. This has led to a massive explosion in global population which is about to turn around and bite us on the [edited]. If this prediction of the solar minimum is true then some mighty bad times are ahead for humanity.

 

 

 

 

 

I think people and our planet have more to fear from certain scientists then they do C02. Another quote from that article I posted earlier:  "The amount of sulfur dioxide that would need to be injected each year to offset human-caused global warming at the end of the century would be five times the amount thrown into the air by Mount Pinatubo on June 15, 1991."

 

What are these people thinking? It makes you wonder.

 

Sulfur dioxide is found on Earth and exists in very small concentrations and in the atmosphere at about 1 ppm. On other planets, it can be found in various concentrations, the most significant being the atmosphere of Venus, where it is the third-most significant atmospheric gas at 150 ppm. There, it condenses to form clouds, and is a key component of chemical reactions in the planet's atmosphere and contributes to global warming.[8] It has been implicated as a key agent in the warming of early Mars, with estimates of concentrations in the lower atmosphere as high as 100 ppm,[9] though it only exists in trace amounts. On both Venus and Mars, its primary source, like on Earth, is thought to be volcanic.
https://en.wikipedia.../Sulfur_dioxide

 

Acid rain is caused by emissions of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide, which react with the water molecules in the atmosphere to produce acids. Acid rain has been shown to have adverse impacts on forests, freshwaters and soils, killing insect and aquatic life-forms, causing paint to peel, corrosion of steel structures such as bridges, and weathering of stone buildings and statues as well as having impacts on human health.
https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Acid_rain

 

I think it was my former governor who once said 'must we kill the planet to save the environment?' Even though we were on different sides of the aisle I really liked her. She said what was on her mind and didn't worry about people's sensibilities.  

 



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View Post62bish, on Nov 21 2017 - 11:56, said:

Sometimes I feel the human species is getting what it deserves.
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Dixie Lee Ray on the ‘Environmental’ Movement

 

R&L: The natural world operates on the principle that for some to live others must die, whether it is predatory animals killing for food, or plants dying as food of herbivorous animals, or micro-organisms dying to enrich the soil and feed plants. Yet much of the environmental rhetoric ignores or denies these processes and makes man guilty for sustaining his own life. Do you have anything to say on this topic?

 

Ray: I don’t know how they can justify the position, because I can’t understand their motivation. But what you have said is certainly true. Mankind is considered (by the radical environmentalists) the lowest and the meanest of all species and is blamed for everything. They fail to recognize the broad biological principle that organic material is constantly being recycled. Everything has a time of being—a birth, a life span, and a death. The organic material, as the laws of chemistry state, can neither be created nor destroyed.

 

R&L: Could you describe the progress of environmentalism from its earlier days to the current radical, “Earth First!” type of activists?

 

Ray: The only way that could have happened was for the misguided and false information, much of it very hysterical or dramatic, like the earth is warming and the ozone has a hole, and all that kind of thing— could not have lead to the passage of laws and regulations that affect everyone’s lives were it not for the cooperation of the press. It is the press that has taken these charges and accusations and blown them up without any kind of skepticism whatsoever—blown them into realities and treated them as if they were true.



62bish #14 Posted Nov 22 2017 - 04:40

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With the human population growing faster and faster and the mass deforestation going on, the  planet has to be starting to struggle to replenish oxygen levels.

 



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Look this global warming, and the past global cooling was about one thing.

 

Control.



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View Post62bish, on Nov 21 2017 - 19:40, said:

 

With the human population growing faster and faster and the mass deforestation going on, the  planet has to be starting to struggle to replenish oxygen levels.

 

 

"blown them into realities and treated them as if they were true."

 

Myth Of Pristine Amazon Rainforest busted As Old Cities Reappear
The first Europeans to penetrate the Amazon rainforests reported cities, roads and fertile fields along the banks of its major rivers. “There was one town that stretched for 15 miles without any space from house to house, which was a marvellous thing to behold,” wrote Gaspar de Carvajal, chronicler of explorer and conquistador Francisco de Orellana in 1542. “The land is as fertile and as normal in appearance as our Spain.”

 

Such tales were long dismissed as fantasies, not least because teeming cities were never seen or talked about again. But it now seems the chroniclers were right all along. It is our modern vision of a pristine rainforest wilderness that turns out to be the dream.


The idea of a domesticated Amazon complements research in other rainforest regions, including the Congo basin and South-East Asia, that also suggest that much of what seems pristine is actually regrowth after dense human occupation.
https://www.newscien...ities-reappear/

 

While the news coming out of forests is often dominated by deforestation and habitat loss, research published today in Nature Climate Change shows that the world has actually got greener over the past decade. Despite ongoing deforestation in South America and Southeast Asia, we found that the decline in these regions has been offset by recovering forests outside the tropics, and new growth in the drier savannas and shrublands of Africa and Australia.

 

With a greening globe, more plants may mean more absorption of carbon dioxide.
http://www.iflscienc...etting-greener/


Scientists have found that a quarter to half of Earth's vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide.
https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/12226


New Zealand's birth rate on a bumpy decline
https://www.stuff.co...a-bumpy-decline


By 2050, Eurostat estimates that only the populations of Ireland, France, Norway and Britain would rise without migration and the rest would be in decline.  Already, in 13 of its 28 member countries, more people died than were born last year.  The populations of Germany and Italy are expected to decline by 18% and 16% respectively without migration.
https://www.mercator...of-europe/20097


Declining Birth Rates Raising Concerns in Asia
https://www.eastwest...oncerns-in-asia


Japan’s population is shrinking. For the first time since the government started keeping track more than a century ago, there were fewer than 1 million births last year, as the country’s population fell by more than 300,000 people.
https://www.theatlan...th-rate/534291/


New data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reveal that in 2016, there were just 62 live births per 1,000 women of childbearing age. That’s a one percent decrease from 2015, and the lowest rate on record. Blame the millennials, say demographers — they’re not having kids. Some commentators have worried this may become a “national emergency” if the rate were to drop below population replacement levels.
http://foreignpolicy...gration-europe/

 

 


Edited by Klaatu_Nicto, Nov 22 2017 - 07:23.


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View PostMarkd73, on Nov 20 2017 - 15:25, said:

This is the same poster who refuses  to acknowledge the validity of human caused climate change.

Must be a giant conspiracy lead by thousands of insanely “rich and powerful” scientists.

 

 

Seems legit

 

I'll let a Massachusetts Institute of Technology Professor Emeritus of Meteorology, and a lead author of Chapter 7, "Physical Climate Processes and Feedbacks," of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's Third Assessment Report on climate change,  address your comment.

 

The Corruption of Climate Science

 

"[W]e have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." - Stephen Schneider, proponent of the theory that CFCs are depleting the ozone

 

"....the reputation of scientific prediction needs to be enhanced. But that can happen, paradoxically, only if scientists disavow the certainty and precision that they normally insist on. Above all, we need to learn to act decisively to forestall predicted perils, even while knowing that they may never materialize. We must take action, in a manner of speaking, to preserve our ignorance." - Jonathan Shell, author of Our Fragile Earth

 

"A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect." - Richard Benedict, an employee for the State Department working on assignment for the Conservation Foundation

 

There is no 'scientific evidence' that supports the belief that human emissions of C02 has caused global warming.

 



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Without bias one way or another, here's some points that people can look up for themselves if they wish:

 

The actual toxic level of CO2 in your immediate surrounds is about 50 to 60 thousand parts per million, roughly.  That's the level at which you can't expel enough CO2 to cope with the incoming CO2, I think was the explanation.  People regularly cope with local concentrations of over 10,000 parts per million every day, with no apparent ill effects.

 

Plantlife actually does best with an atmospheric CO2 level of around 1,000 to 2,000 parts per million.

 

Plantlife starves at 150 parts per million.

 

CO2 levels at the end of the most recent major glaciation period (as opposed to the current inter-ice age) were 180 parts per million.

 

Currently we're around 400 parts per million for atmospheric CO2.

 

CO2 level around the beginning of the Industrial Revolution were about 270 parts per million.  So after an approximate couple of centuries of constant pollution, we still haven't doubled the amount of atmospheric CO2 from that time.



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Edited by Nunya_000, Nov 22 2017 - 16:20.


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View PostKlaatu_Nicto, on Nov 22 2017 - 08:59, said:

 

I'll let a Massachusetts Institute of Technology Professor Emeritus of Meteorology, and a lead author of Chapter 7, "Physical Climate Processes and Feedbacks," of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's Third Assessment Report on climate change,  address your comment.

 

The Corruption of Climate Science

 

"[W]e have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." - Stephen Schneider, proponent of the theory that CFCs are depleting the ozone

 

"....the reputation of scientific prediction needs to be enhanced. But that can happen, paradoxically, only if scientists disavow the certainty and precision that they normally insist on. Above all, we need to learn to act decisively to forestall predicted perils, even while knowing that they may never materialize. We must take action, in a manner of speaking, to preserve our ignorance." - Jonathan Shell, author of Our Fragile Earth

 

"A global climate treaty must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the greenhouse effect." - Richard Benedict, an employee for the State Department working on assignment for the Conservation Foundation

 

There is no 'scientific evidence' that supports the belief that human emissions of C02 has caused global warming.

 

 

Argument from authortity

https://rationalwiki...Richard_Lindzen

 

 

 






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