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Klaatu_Nicto #221 Posted Mar 10 2018 - 15:59

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View Postriff_, on Mar 10 2018 - 05:17, said:

 

The jet stream has been acting wacky ever since solar activity began to decrease in the 2000's. As solar activity decreases earth's atmosphere contracts causing changes in wind patterns. When the jet stream moves south and pulls that arctic air with it something has to move in and replace that cold arctic air. Since the air around the arctic is warmer it's warmer air that gets pulled in to replace the colder air. The wind and weather patterns we are seeing today are the same patterns seen during the last grand solar minimum. These changes in the jet stream and other wind and weather patterns we are seeing today were predicted by solar physicists and others who follow solar cycles. The original prediction by the AGW crowd was a warming arctic will bring warmer, snow free winters to the northern hemisphere.



ket101 #222 Posted Mar 11 2018 - 06:36

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View Postriff_, on Mar 10 2018 - 23:17, said:

 

This may relate: http://www.climatede...perature-spike/

 



Klaatu_Nicto #223 Posted Mar 11 2018 - 20:23

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Klaatu_Nicto #224 Posted Mar 11 2018 - 22:40

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It's not just 'climate change' that's coming.  'Earth change' is coming and I'm sure some will blame it on human activity.

 

 

 



Gothraul #225 Posted Mar 11 2018 - 23:14

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I am not too concerned with the "Earth Changes" as there is nothing that can really be done about it and it is part of the experience that we will eventually have to come to terms with in the decades to come should the world last that long. I honestly see it as a new beginning should the slate be wiped clean giving future generations choice to make their own futures rather than being hopelessly trapped by monolithic government and titanic corporations owning everything while a small elite enjoy a standard of living that few can imagine.

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Klaatu_Nicto #227 Posted Mar 14 2018 - 21:29

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Super Freeze coming to the U.S.

 



Klaatu_Nicto #228 Posted Mar 15 2018 - 18:09

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Now that their predictions of milder, snow free winters are not occurring..............................

 

Alarmists Resurrect Theory That Global Warming Is Making Winters Colder
The study, published in a “Nature Communications” January 2018 issue, claimed historical data showed an East Coast cold snap is two to four times more likely when the Arctic is abnormally warmer than when the pole is colder. It’s not a widely accepted theory among climate scientists, but the study’s made the rounds in the media, touted as more evidence man-made warming is making U.S. winters colder.
http://dailycaller.c...-warming-study/

 

Historical data actually shows the Arctic warmed 400 hundred years ago during the last grand solar minimum so nothing new except for the AGW faithful.



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View PostKlaatu_Nicto, on Mar 16 2018 - 03:09, said:

Now that their predictions of milder, snow free winters are not occurring..............................

 

Alarmists Resurrect Theory That Global Warming Is Making Winters Colder
The study, published in a “Nature Communications” January 2018 issue, claimed historical data showed an East Coast cold snap is two to four times more likely when the Arctic is abnormally warmer than when the pole is colder. It’s not a widely accepted theory among climate scientists, but the study’s made the rounds in the media, touted as more evidence man-made warming is making U.S. winters colder.
http://dailycaller.c...-warming-study/

 

Historical data actually shows the Arctic warmed 400 hundred years ago during the last grand solar minimum so nothing new except for the AGW faithful.

 

Well, if you predict that things will get both warmer and colder, then you can't be wrong either way.

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View PostGothraul, on Mar 11 2018 - 16:14, said:

I am not too concerned with the "Earth Changes" as there is nothing that can really be done about it and it is part of the experience that we will eventually have to come to terms with in the decades to come should the world last that long. I honestly see it as a new beginning should the slate be wiped clean giving future generations choice to make their own futures rather than being hopelessly trapped by monolithic government and titanic corporations owning everything while a small elite enjoy a standard of living that few can imagine.

 

Without all the world's nuclear power plants safely shutting down, recovery may not be possible.

 

Another Carrington Event would end up wiping out nearly all, if not all human life on the planet.  Solar scientists say there is a relatively high chance of another Carrington Event happening within our lifetimes.  If humanity is to survive a Carrington Event this day in age, most of the world's nuclear power plants would need to be fully protected from EMP before it hits.



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View PostStriker_70, on Mar 15 2018 - 20:35, said:

Another Carrington Event would end up wiping out nearly all, if not all human life on the planet.

 

Not true. Two thirds of china still lives like its the 7th century and wouldn't even know if the lights went out. The third in the cities? Dead. Same with any population centers in any country. Even in the united states most of the 'rust belt' who do the farming would survive just fine because they are already used to power outages and have backup plans. New york or chicago or los angeles? Dead. A carrington event would likely not effect machinery like diesel engines and even most electronics as long as they are insulated from the power lines. Also this doesn't even start to figure the primitive humans in the deep jungles and outbacks of every land mass. Do you think the aboriginals in aussieland would care or the masii in the african plains etc. From their perspective it would be a glorious day because the countries that cause them so much woe would collapse. Barring a nuclear war as society collapses you might even call it a new dawn for mankind providing the survivors don't use the leftover technology to take over the world fist of the north star style.



ket101 #232 Posted Mar 16 2018 - 08:13

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View PostHorribad_At_Tanks, on Mar 16 2018 - 15:39, said:

 

Not true. Two thirds of china still lives like its the 7th century and wouldn't even know if the lights went out. The third in the cities? Dead. Same with any population centers in any country. Even in the united states most of the 'rust belt' who do the farming would survive just fine because they are already used to power outages and have backup plans. New york or chicago or los angeles? Dead. A carrington event would likely not effect machinery like diesel engines and even most electronics as long as they are insulated from the power lines. Also this doesn't even start to figure the primitive humans in the deep jungles and outbacks of every land mass. Do you think the aboriginals in aussieland would care or the masii in the african plains etc. From their perspective it would be a glorious day because the countries that cause them so much woe would collapse. Barring a nuclear war as society collapses you might even call it a new dawn for mankind providing the survivors don't use the leftover technology to take over the world fist of the north star style.

 

Older style diesels.  Common rail injection diesels, they might be affected.  Electronically controlled injectors, you see.

 

There's still plenty of older cars on the road.  Couple dating back to the 70's just in my own backyard.  Points and distributors and carburettors are largely immune to EMP.  Plenty of stationary engines like that too.

 

Lots of hardened electronics around, and even more shielded electronics.  Simply having some form of Faraday cage would protect quite a bit.  Doomsday from EMP is likely to be a while yet.  Particularly with the low solar activity at present.  And you can always just turn things off if you're given warning.



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View Postket101, on Mar 16 2018 - 02:13, said:

 

Older style diesels.  Common rail injection diesels, they might be affected.  Electronically controlled injectors, you see.

 

There's still plenty of older cars on the road.  Couple dating back to the 70's just in my own backyard.  Points and distributors and carburettors are largely immune to EMP.  Plenty of stationary engines like that too.

 

Lots of hardened electronics around, and even more shielded electronics.  Simply having some form of Faraday cage would protect quite a bit.  Doomsday from EMP is likely to be a while yet.  Particularly with the low solar activity at present.  And you can always just turn things off if you're given warning.

 

I think you are thinking of a weaponized nuclear detonation to induce an emp effect. That is different from a solar induced emp in that the danger is to the power grid itself. The damage is not from a megapulse from a nuke which fries everything not hardened but the induction of dc current into the power grid in the millions of volts and magnetizing and destroying the transformers. That's our achilles heel in our modern electrically powered society. Those cans on the poles and huge transformer parks convert line voltage down into something that your consumer electronics and equipment can use. Without them you can have all the juice you want flowing and all the generators online but you won't be able to use a bit of it. Given that there are only three major factories in the world that produce those transformers and how there are literally tens of millions of them across the globe you can see how losing them all at once could prove problematic. The good news is that if you can power the food production plants and water purification plants then the majority of the civilian population can survive if at a basic sustenance level. There are plans in motion now to stock pile the critical large transformers and enough of the pole mounted to keep the production key areas open and starvation avoided. However full return of power would probably take years if not decades so society would certainly change on a fundamental level almost going right back to the 18th century. I think if that happened then you would see something very much like the society in the hunger games. Only a few areas kept modern and protected with modern technology with all the rest living like its little house on the prairie to mine the coal and farm the land. 

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View PostHorribad_At_Tanks, on Mar 15 2018 - 23:39, said:

 

Not true. Two thirds of china still lives like its the 7th century and wouldn't even know if the lights went out. The third in the cities? Dead. Same with any population centers in any country. Even in the united states most of the 'rust belt' who do the farming would survive just fine because they are already used to power outages and have backup plans. New york or chicago or los angeles? Dead. A carrington event would likely not effect machinery like diesel engines and even most electronics as long as they are insulated from the power lines. Also this doesn't even start to figure the primitive humans in the deep jungles and outbacks of every land mass. Do you think the aboriginals in aussieland would care or the masii in the african plains etc. From their perspective it would be a glorious day because the countries that cause them so much woe would collapse. Barring a nuclear war as society collapses you might even call it a new dawn for mankind providing the survivors don't use the leftover technology to take over the world fist of the north star style.

 

That's mostly true if we have no unshielded nuclear power plants, but we do.  Without EMP shielding for the world's nuclear power plants it won't matter too much if a person relies on electricity or not.  There will be unstoppable nuclear meltdowns worldwide.  This wouldn't be conducive for rebuilding, or even for life itself.

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View PostStriker_70, on Mar 17 2018 - 08:09, said:

 

That's mostly true if we have no unshielded nuclear power plants, but we do.  Without EMP shielding for the world's nuclear power plants it won't matter too much if a person relies on electricity or not.  There will be unstoppable nuclear meltdowns worldwide.  This wouldn't be conducive for rebuilding, or even for life itself.

 

Hopefully the thorium/molten salt type of reactor will become more popular, since it seems to be a lot more failsafe (from what I've seen around the place).

 

View PostHorribad_At_Tanks, on Mar 16 2018 - 17:37, said:

 

I think you are thinking of a weaponized nuclear detonation to induce an emp effect. That is different from a solar induced emp in that the danger is to the power grid itself. The damage is not from a megapulse from a nuke which fries everything not hardened but the induction of dc current into the power grid in the millions of volts and magnetizing and destroying the transformers. That's our achilles heel in our modern electrically powered society. Those cans on the poles and huge transformer parks convert line voltage down into something that your consumer electronics and equipment can use. Without them you can have all the juice you want flowing and all the generators online but you won't be able to use a bit of it. Given that there are only three major factories in the world that produce those transformers and how there are literally tens of millions of them across the globe you can see how losing them all at once could prove problematic. The good news is that if you can power the food production plants and water purification plants then the majority of the civilian population can survive if at a basic sustenance level. There are plans in motion now to stock pile the critical large transformers and enough of the pole mounted to keep the production key areas open and starvation avoided. However full return of power would probably take years if not decades so society would certainly change on a fundamental level almost going right back to the 18th century. I think if that happened then you would see something very much like the society in the hunger games. Only a few areas kept modern and protected with modern technology with all the rest living like its little house on the prairie to mine the coal and farm the land. 

 

Eh, there's been solar EMP, even if not to the same level, and to be perfectly honest, it doesn't seem to have stopped things.  And that's recently, when people have been panicking about coronal mass ejections and all the good stuff.  Doomsday predictions are all well and good, but realities tend to be that things will not be anywhere near as bad as predictions make them out to be.  Some parts of a grid may go down, yes, but those bits that do go down tend to protect the other parts from being damaged in the same way.  Thus the need for spare parts is much smaller than people may, in their predictions of dire-ness, think.  Positive waves, Moriarty, positive waves :)

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View Postket101, on Mar 16 2018 - 14:39, said:

 

Hopefully the thorium/molten salt type of reactor will become more popular, since it seems to be a lot more failsafe (from what I've seen around the place).

 

 

Eh, there's been solar EMP, even if not to the same level, and to be perfectly honest, it doesn't seem to have stopped things.  And that's recently, when people have been panicking about coronal mass ejections and all the good stuff.  Doomsday predictions are all well and good, but realities tend to be that things will not be anywhere near as bad as predictions make them out to be.  Some parts of a grid may go down, yes, but those bits that do go down tend to protect the other parts from being damaged in the same way.  Thus the need for spare parts is much smaller than people may, in their predictions of dire-ness, think.  Positive waves, Moriarty, positive waves :)

 

There's several factors that determine the effects on earth of a solar storm. When those factors are not lined up right nothing happens or very little happens. If those factors are lined up right his happens.

 

 

 



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View Postket101, on Mar 16 2018 - 16:39, said:

 

Hopefully the thorium/molten salt type of reactor will become more popular, since it seems to be a lot more failsafe (from what I've seen around the place).

 

Something needs to be done either way, as life itself may depend on it.  The actual fallout from EMP is worse than most imagine.  Congressional research shows that 90% of all people in the US would die within the first year.  And they don't even take into account the nuclear meltdowns.

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View PostStriker_70, on Mar 16 2018 - 02:35, said:

 

Without all the world's nuclear power plants safely shutting down, recovery may not be possible.

 

Another Carrington Event would end up wiping out nearly all, if not all human life on the planet.  Solar scientists say there is a relatively high chance of another Carrington Event happening within our lifetimes.  If humanity is to survive a Carrington Event this day in age, most of the world's nuclear power plants would need to be fully protected from EMP before it hits.

 

The simple answer is to power everything down and disconnect everything from the grid, doing so would do a lot to help protect much of the equipment but wouldn't rule out some failures even when the equipment is powered down. A lot of the current gen reactors are near or already past their expected life and need to be retired. People these days lack the hardiness needed to make do and go without even for a short period, I already know what it is like and if your head is on straight enough anyone can make it provided that everything is to some degree back to normal. 

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