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Striker_70 #241 Posted Mar 21 2018 - 00:33

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View PostGothraul, on Mar 19 2018 - 18:32, said:

 

The simple answer is to power everything down and disconnect everything from the grid, doing so would do a lot to help protect much of the equipment but wouldn't rule out some failures even when the equipment is powered down. A lot of the current gen reactors are near or already past their expected life and need to be retired. People these days lack the hardiness needed to make do and go without even for a short period, I already know what it is like and if your head is on straight enough anyone can make it provided that everything is to some degree back to normal. 

 

They will initiate a shutdown (if the EMP blast is predicted before hand).  It's in their protocol.  The problem with that is it takes months, even years, to fully shutdown one of these nuclear power plants.  The decay heat will need to be dealt with for a long time.  In the event of an EMP people would actually need to be on site for all that time, bringing in all the supplies needed to tend to the decay heat of the fuel rods. 

 

As far as I've seen, there is no such plan in place.  A plan like this may not even be possible. Who is going to stay at all these nuclear power plants doing their job while civilization itself crumbles around them?  Who is going to provide the constant need of supplies, without fail, for years after civilization itself has broken down?

 

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.  If these nuclear power plants arn't going to be shut down any time soon, then the first thing that needs to be done is shield all our vulnerable plants from EMP.  That way at least the plant itself will still be capable of operating in the event of an EMP.  Then adequate fuel supplies need to be provided on site at each plant so they don't need to rely on safe travel in a world where civilization has broken down and transportation has essentially been reduced back to horse and buggy.  Then the only real problem left to deal with is where do we get the manpower that's going to be dedicated to maintaining the nuclear sites rather than their families at home?

 

 



Klaatu_Nicto #242 Posted Mar 27 2018 - 03:43

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The map EVERY Australian should see: With the country set to shiver through the coldest ever winter - just how low could the temperature get near you?

 

If the prediction comes to fruition Australians could be facing winter temperatures chillier than those ever recorded. .....The forecast comes on the heels of a record-shattering winter in the northern hemisphere.

 

Mr Taylor said tracking sunspot activity has enabled him to successfully predict weather events in the past.

 

https://www.msn.com/...li=AAgfYrC

 

 



GeorgePreddy #243 Posted Mar 27 2018 - 04:50

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View PostHorribad_At_Tanks, on Mar 16 2018 - 02:39, said:

 

The third in the cities? Dead.

Same with any population centers in any country. 

New york or chicago or los angeles? Dead.

 

The potential collateral damage in the U.S. of a Carrington-type solar storm might be between $1 trillion and $2 trillion in the first year alone, with full recovery taking an estimated four to 10 years, according to a 2008 report from the National Research Council.

 

But such possibilities likely represent only the worst-case scenario, said Robert Rutledge, lead of the forecast office at the NOAA/National Weather Service Space Weather Prediction Center. The potential dangers might be significantly less, since power companies are aware of such problems and can take action to mitigate them.

 

The above projections are "worst case scenarios" and sure don't sound like hundreds of millions of people "dead".

 

Alarmist much ??



Klaatu_Nicto #244 Posted Mar 27 2018 - 05:57

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Perhaps the biggest threat is not an EMP caused by solar activity. In that case you have no warning.



bockscar43 #245 Posted Mar 27 2018 - 06:01

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After 13 pages of comments, Klaatu our resident scientist makes more sense than all the tree hugger climatologist, who don't have any definitive answers other than dire warnings of the collapse of mankind unless something is done to immediately. We can help by turning off all electrical devices, sell your car, plant a garden, learn to hunt and stop flying for work or travel to name a few. Everyone on board to save the planet step forward......just sayn. 

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View PostGeorgePreddy, on Mar 26 2018 - 21:50, said:

 

The potential collateral damage in the U.S. of a Carrington-type solar storm might be between $1 trillion and $2 trillion in the first year alone, with full recovery taking an estimated four to 10 years, according to a 2008 report from the National Research Council.

 

But such possibilities likely represent only the worst-case scenario, said Robert Rutledge, lead of the forecast office at the NOAA/National Weather Service Space Weather Prediction Center. The potential dangers might be significantly less, since power companies are aware of such problems and can take action to mitigate them.

 

The above projections are "worst case scenarios" and sure don't sound like hundreds of millions of people "dead".

 

Alarmist much ??

 

There is nothing alarmist about what he wrote.  What do you think would happen in the cities when people don't have power for several years?  It won't be all sunshine and lollipops like it is now, it will be utter chaos with everyone desperately trying to find food and water.  Millions of deaths is an understatement.

 

Not only that, nuclear power plants would need to have several months of fuel available so they could completely shut down.  Not having that means the fuel rods boil off all the water, causing meltdowns.  And that's assuming the generators make it through the EMP in the first place, which is unlikely especially in a sudden EMP event.



Gothraul #247 Posted Mar 27 2018 - 20:58

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View PostStriker_70, on Mar 21 2018 - 00:33, said:

 

They will initiate a shutdown (if the EMP blast is predicted before hand).  It's in their protocol.  The problem with that is it takes months, even years, to fully shutdown one of these nuclear power plants.  The decay heat will need to be dealt with for a long time.  In the event of an EMP people would actually need to be on site for all that time, bringing in all the supplies needed to tend to the decay heat of the fuel rods. 

 

As far as I've seen, there is no such plan in place.  A plan like this may not even be possible. Who is going to stay at all these nuclear power plants doing their job while civilization itself crumbles around them?  Who is going to provide the constant need of supplies, without fail, for years after civilization itself has broken down?

 

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.  If these nuclear power plants arn't going to be shut down any time soon, then the first thing that needs to be done is shield all our vulnerable plants from EMP.  That way at least the plant itself will still be capable of operating in the event of an EMP.  Then adequate fuel supplies need to be provided on site at each plant so they don't need to rely on safe travel in a world where civilization has broken down and transportation has essentially been reduced back to horse and buggy.  Then the only real problem left to deal with is where do we get the manpower that's going to be dedicated to maintaining the nuclear sites rather than their families at home?

 

 

 

It doesn't take too much to protect a plant if it was done right to begin with and usually the plant owners will cut corners so no steam backup ect, most of the existing reactors need to be retired and new ones built with more features in mind. They should have been built with if all else fails they could have simply flooded the whole thing and the reactor would have remained safe that way and there is at least one reactor that is in use that was constructed with this in mind. People simply don't think enough ahead to come up with even simple solutions so the existing solutions were done so with the expectation that the issue would be resolved very quickly or have supply lines for extra fuel.

Klaatu_Nicto #248 Posted Mar 27 2018 - 22:00

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Anomalous Arctic Sea Ice Melting Fueled by Geological Heat Flow, Not “Global Warming”

 

A recent and very telling Arctic Ocean seafloor geological heat flow event involved the occurrence of a small circular ice free hole on or about October 11, 2015 (Figure 3). It developed in a very short time (15 to 20 days), was in a limited geographical area, occurred in the thickest/center portion of the sea ice, and most importantly was positioned directly above an active, heat-emitting seafloor volcano that is part of the Mid-Arctic Rift System.

 

This anomalous melting event is likely the result of a massive heat and heated methane-charged seawater pulse/eruption from a single seafloor volcano. These types of well-known geological events are termed “Mega-Plumes“. Mega-Plumes have been observed in most major oceans, are all associated with Rift/Fault Systems, and are the focus of an entire U.S. government marine research study division, the Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory

 

http://www.plateclim...global-warming/



Klaatu_Nicto #249 Posted Mar 28 2018 - 01:10

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Colder-than-average conditions will likely persist through much of next week in areas from the northern Plains into the Midwest and much of the Northeast, with some of this chilly air possibly lingering into April's second week. The weather pattern is expected to remain active into early April, which could yield the threat for a couple of snowmakers.

 

The overall weather pattern will feature a broad southward dip in the jet stream spanning from the northern Rockies through the Plains, Midwest and into the Northeast. Chilly air will be in place north of that jet stream dip, and storm systems will have the potential to be steered along the general path of the jet stream.

https://weather.com/...rch-early-april

 

"This historic supercold spell and massive blizzards is due to the wild jet stream which is controlled by changes in Solar activity and completely nothing to do with CO2"
- explained Piers Corbyn in an interview on Talk Radio James Whale show Thurs 1st March - a follow-on from his interview Feb 28th. Piers pointed out that the CO2 warmists - believers in so-called Man-made Global-Warming - were referring to Sudden Stratospheric Warming and mildness in the Arctic as if these were somehow part of Global-Warming and causing the cold events when they are nothing to do with CO2. In fact, he said, the events in the stratosphere are solar driven and their impact transmits DOWNWARDS not upwards from some delusional surface warming. The mildness in the Arctic covers a much smaller area than the cold blast and is not a CAUSE of anything but just one part of the solar driven Wild Jet Stream changes"
http://weatheraction.com/



Klaatu_Nicto #250 Posted Mar 30 2018 - 18:45

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Klaatu_Nicto #251 Posted Apr 03 2018 - 21:31

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Here is some history they don't want you to see. This is what a day during the real warmest decade on record looks like.

 

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Horribad_At_Tanks #252 Posted Apr 03 2018 - 21:34

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Iirc the 1934 heat wave was in the middle of the last solar max.

Klaatu_Nicto #253 Posted Apr 04 2018 - 17:52

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Gothraul #254 Posted Apr 06 2018 - 03:22

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I wouldn't worry too much about the climate given that our poop of a modern civilization will probably fail in the next couple of decades anyway.

Klaatu_Nicto #255 Posted Apr 09 2018 - 18:07

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China to install hundreds of thousands of fuel burning chambers in Tibet to induce rainfall and address water scarcity in China
The technology was initially developed as part of the Chinese military’s weather modification programme. China and other countries, including Russia and the United States, have been researching ways to trigger natural disasters such as floods, droughts and tornadoes to weaken their enemies in the event of severe conflict.
http://www.friends-o...rcity-in-china/

tod914 #256 Posted Apr 09 2018 - 20:16

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View PostKlaatu_Nicto, on Apr 09 2018 - 12:07, said:

China to install hundreds of thousands of fuel burning chambers in Tibet to induce rainfall and address water scarcity in China
The technology was initially developed as part of the Chinese military’s weather modification programme. China and other countries, including Russia and the United States, have been researching ways to trigger natural disasters such as floods, droughts and tornadoes to weaken their enemies in the event of severe conflict.
http://www.friends-o...rcity-in-china/

 

Now that's something to HAARP about.

Klaatu_Nicto #257 Posted Apr 09 2018 - 21:44

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View Posttod914, on Apr 09 2018 - 11:16, said:

 

Now that's something to HAARP about.

 

HAARP - That was a topic of discussion back in the 1990's on some Prodigy forums. Of course, anyone saying HAARP could be used for weather modification was/is a "nut case" despite the fact that in the environmental impact statement that had to be filed before construction of the facility it was stated one of the areas of research would be "weather modification."

Horribad_At_Tanks #258 Posted Apr 09 2018 - 22:00

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We have had more conventional weather control mechanics for a very long time like cloud seeding and such. The problem was finding the optimal place and time to seed and now that we have such complex computer modeling and real time 24/7 tracking of the weather it would be relatively easy to cause more or less rain in certain areas or to brew up a megastorm.

Klaatu_Nicto #259 Posted Apr 10 2018 - 03:15

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View PostHorribad_At_Tanks, on Apr 09 2018 - 13:00, said:

We have had more conventional weather control mechanics for a very long time like cloud seeding and such. The problem was finding the optimal place and time to seed and now that we have such complex computer modeling and real time 24/7 tracking of the weather it would be relatively easy to cause more or less rain in certain areas or to brew up a megastorm.

 

I think the Chinese know what's coming.

 

From March 2015....at 3:10

 

 

 


Edited by Klaatu_Nicto, Apr 10 2018 - 03:18.


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