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Grouchy_ #1 Posted Nov 23 2017 - 16:15

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Every time I play a preferential premium tier 8 all I see are 9's and 8's  never see tier 7 or 6 anymore

Now I may be having Horrible luck with MM , So I was wondering if any others are seeing this issue or is it just my crap luck



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This is the new norm for pref mm tanks as an unintended consequence of the new MM.  It really sucks. People and you-tubers have complained. There have also been a few WG comments that seem to acknowledge there is a problem, but they don't know that the fix is.

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View PostGrouchy_Tomato, on Nov 23 2017 - 15:15, said:

Every time I play a preferential premium tier 8 all I see are 9's and 8's  never see tier 7 or 6 anymore

Now I may be having Horrible luck with MM , So I was wondering if any others are seeing this issue or is it just my crap luck

 

What was the sample size? That will have a big impact on whether this is an accurate statement or hyperbole.

SuperTankDriver #4 Posted Nov 23 2017 - 16:49

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Uh, I'm not seeing anything that would indicate that preferential matchmaking is broken or not.

 

Pref MM? No tier 10s. As you said, you've only seen tier 9s and 8s. Not tier 10s. So pref MM is working fine it seems.

 

If you're talking about tier 8s getting terrible matchmaking lately, then yeah, I kinda feel like that too. Not getting many top tier matches.



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If there are lots of guys playing 9 and 10 then it only makes sense that 8's are on the bottom. The MM is set up to get more guys playing 9 and 10 and spamming that premium ammo.

Grouchy_ #6 Posted Nov 23 2017 - 16:56

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About 25-30 games

 

Perf MM I use to see a few 9 and 8 and a lot of 7 and 6's.................no longer see 7 and 6's just 5 9's and 10 8's every match............or so it seems



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View PostMarkd73, on Nov 23 2017 - 11:41, said:

 

What was the sample size? That will have a big impact on whether this is an accurate statement or hyperbole.

 

View PostSuperTankDriver, on Nov 23 2017 - 11:49, said:

Uh, I'm not seeing anything that would indicate that preferential matchmaking is broken or not.

 

Pref MM? No tier 10s. As you said, you've only seen tier 9s and 8s. Not tier 10s. So pref MM is working fine it seems.

 

If you're talking about tier 8s getting terrible matchmaking lately, then yeah, I kinda feel like that too. Not getting many top tier matches.

About 25-30 games

 

Perf MM I use to see a few 9 and 8 and a lot of 7 and 6's.................no longer see 7 and 6's just 5 9's and 10 8's every match............or so it seems



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Thanks 

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WaywardChild #9 Posted Nov 23 2017 - 17:07

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Maybe so many people buying 8's the 7's complained........the 5's complain about the 6's and lets NOT get started on those cry baby 7's again. Maybe if WG added a counter so everyone could see in real time the most played tier at the moment then everyone could gamble their tier position easier?

Plays_With_Matches #10 Posted Nov 23 2017 - 17:33

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My jaw just about hits the floor anytime I see a tier 6 tank when I run any tier 8. Of course when I run tier 6 all tend to see are 8's. It's very bizarre.

 

 



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View PostGrouchy_Tomato, on Nov 23 2017 - 15:57, said:

 

About 25-30 games

 

Perf MM I use to see a few 9 and 8 and a lot of 7 and 6's.................no longer see 7 and 6's just 5 9's and 10 8's every match............or so it seems

 

Hmm That seems like a small sample size. 

 

This is going to be skewed by the number of people playing 8s I would think.

 

Perhaps record the number of the 6s and 7s you see in the next 25-30 games?



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View PostGrouchy_Tomato, on Nov 23 2017 - 16:15, said:

Every time I play a preferential premium tier 8 all I see are 9's and 8's  never see tier 7 or 6 anymore

Now I may be having Horrible luck with MM , So I was wondering if any others are seeing this issue or is it just my crap luck

 

Same story here in 54 games in my is6 I think I saw tier VI maybe once or twice,although you can with a bit of luck do well even in a tier 9 game.

My last game,4.5k dmg and 7kills with no premium shell fired.

http://wotreplays.eu/site/3955436#kharkov-razor_nfs-is-6_b



Diablobo #13 Posted Nov 24 2017 - 20:38

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It's not just the pref MM tanks that are getting screwed, it is all the tier VIII tanks. All tier VIII tanks are almost always bottom tier, and they hardly ever see tiers VI and VII anymore.

 



Drakenred #14 Posted Nov 24 2017 - 23:37

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And the teir 6 s rejoiced! And then the rng algorithm rounded up and much wailing was heard from teir 4. Then Ted logged in and thing got realy strange.

EmperorJuliusCaesar #15 Posted Nov 26 2017 - 10:14

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View PostLesser_Spotted_Panzer, on Nov 23 2017 - 07:23, said:

This is the new norm for pref mm tanks as an unintended consequence of the new MM.  It really sucks. People and you-tubers have complained. There have also been a few WG comments that seem to acknowledge there is a problem, but they don't know that the fix is.

 

There IS a fix, but it would make some people angry, the stat padders.  The easy way to fix MM is to take away the ability to turn off Grand Battles.  It would suck a lot of the tier 10s out of the MM as it was intended to do.  As of now, many stat padders turn it off so they can face more tier 8s.  As I said, it would fix the issues, but make some whine etc.



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View PostGrouchy_Tomato, on Nov 23 2017 - 10:15, said:

Every time I play a preferential premium tier 8 all I see are 9's and 8's  never see tier 7 or 6 anymore

Now I may be having Horrible luck with MM , So I was wondering if any others are seeing this issue or is it just my crap luck

 

by definition, you aren't seeing tier 10s, so how in the world would you jump to the conclusion that your preferential match making is broken?!

 

View PostEmperorJuliusCaesar, on Nov 26 2017 - 04:14, said:

 

There IS a fix, but it would make some people angry, the stat padders.  The easy way to fix MM is to take away the ability to turn off Grand Battles.  It would suck a lot of the tier 10s out of the MM as it was intended to do.  As of now, many stat padders turn it off so they can face more tier 8s.  As I said, it would fix the issues, but make some whine etc.

 

​that would make more people stop playing, especially tier 10s.  and if one isn't playing tier 10s, there's no reason to grind to tier 10s...  if there's no reason to grind, then why play?

 

most people have grand battles turned off for a variety of reasons -

 

  1. one notable one being that the nebelburg map is a huge camp fest - larger maps are good, provided there is room to advance/move and flank.  that map has bushed up sniper perches that encourage the cancerous tier 10 TDs, and passive playing mediums to camp and rape anyone that attempts to push through the huge open kill zones.
  2. another notable reason, grand battles <> compatible with trying to complete a personal mission
  3. and finally - gun marking.  if 3 marking efforts included results from grand battles, every unicum in the game would turn it on...


tanopasman62 #17 Posted Nov 26 2017 - 18:34

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View PostPlays_With_Matches, on Nov 23 2017 - 17:33, said:

My jaw just about hits the floor anytime I see a tier 6 tank when I run any tier 8. Of course when I run tier 6 all tend to see are 8's. It's very bizarre.

 

 

 

I remember a day while I was grinding through the O-Ho, where I got 5 top tier matches one after another, and I was like "What kind of sorcery is this?"

jdi9985 #18 Posted Nov 26 2017 - 22:16

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I think tier 8 is broken.  I don't play it much, but when I do it's like I never get top tier any more.

TsarCidron #19 Posted Nov 26 2017 - 22:22

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Its not pref that is broken, its MM.  Rather, how MM makes the matches. 

 

MM seems to fill the X battles first, with IX and VIII.  That pulls in the non-pref VIII.   Next up are the IX matches, pulling in VIII and VI.... and this includes pref VIII.    Next up, the remaining VIII matches, which are far fewer remaining at any given time.   They seem to fill top tier, working down.   Now, if they did the reverse, might be friendlier to the IV thru VIII ranges.  But, thats not Wargamings style.  Theirs is "deal with it" .



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View PostTsarCidron, on Nov 26 2017 - 21:22, said:

Its not pref that is broken, its MM.  Rather, how MM makes the matches. 

 

MM seems to fill the X battles first, with IX and VIII.  That pulls in the non-pref VIII.   Next up are the IX matches, pulling in VIII and VI.... and this includes pref VIII.    Next up, the remaining VIII matches, which are far fewer remaining at any given time.   They seem to fill top tier, working down.   Now, if they did the reverse, might be friendlier to the IV thru VIII ranges.  But, thats not Wargamings style.  Theirs is "deal with it" .

 

This guy gets it.  I just need to convert the rest of the server.  With a 3/5/7 and 5/10 bracket MM system every tier is going to get pushed to the bottom.  This is why a year ago I said the MM stating with tier 10 could be balanced by MM starting with tier 1.  However, we all know how that would affect the most important number, WGs bottom line, so don't hold your breath.




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