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CasMassive #1 Posted Dec 18 2017 - 07:06

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Augustus_Sohn #2 Posted Dec 18 2017 - 07:16

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I've seen in recent interviews that they acknowledge MM is bad at tiers 6 & 8. Fixing it isn't such an easy, automatic thing though.

tanopasman62 #3 Posted Dec 18 2017 - 07:19

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They said they wanted MM to be like tier 9, mostly top tier and/or 2 tier matches.

 

It would be easy as giving the 5/10 format priority over the 3/5/7 but...



TornadoADV #4 Posted Dec 18 2017 - 07:58

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I mean, they have the ability to change the situation easily by weighting the different sets differently at different tiers. This isn't rocket science, they just don't think it effects them enough yet in the pocket book. (Something tells me that Tier 8 prem sales will have to take a serious nose dive before they actually start the ball rolling.)

Arty_Did_Nothing_Wrong #5 Posted Dec 18 2017 - 10:06

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"Our new MM works fine"

"Except at tier 6, and 8, there are some known issues"

 

Really... You say your new MM is fine, but it doesn't work well at tier 6 or 8 which just so happen to be where the majority of players play...

Meaning that in actuality MM works fine, except where it needs too... 


Edited by Arty_Did_Nothing_Wrong, Dec 18 2017 - 10:07.


Thunder_Storm_713 #6 Posted Dec 18 2017 - 10:27

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View PostRumsweet, on Dec 18 2017 - 18:06, said:

I want to keep this fresh because the moment we stop saying that tier 8 mm is just absolutely horrendous, is the moment WG will try to slide this under the table because they know we all think it is just worse than ever and they want to try to forget about a very serious, and broken system that was put in place post 9.18.

WARGAMING: You guys need to tell us something. ANYTHING. You say mm is "in a good place"... and no... no its not. 99% of the population agrees with this. I watch streams, I watch youtube vids, I play the game myself on occasion. Would play more... but I cant. I simply cant. The 10th time in a row when I am bottom-tiered [edited]is when I call it. This is #1 primary complaint. We all need peace. At least tell us that you wont fix the issue so we can all move on to other things. Your silence is making it worse. We need an update.

I'd way rather have pre 9.18 even if it means I am the only tier 8 in an all tier 10 match 50% of the time. The short answer to this solution guys is change the template if you dont want to go back. 5/5/5 maybe. Anything. Just ******* FIX IT PLEASE! OR TELL US THAT THIS IS WHAT IT IS. Just tell us something.

While tier 8 matchmaking is terrible at the moment, it is t broken. It was designed so you would be bottom tier more often than top tier.



Carl #7 Posted Dec 18 2017 - 12:19

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View PostThunder_Storm_713, on Dec 18 2017 - 09:27, said:

While tier 8 matchmaking is terrible at the moment, it is t broken. It was designed so you would be bottom tier more often than top tier.

 

Actually it wasn't. it was designed so you would be bottom tier 1/3 of the time, mid tier 1/3 of the time and top tier 1/3 of the time. The problem is right now that last one is waay off.

Carl #8 Posted Dec 18 2017 - 12:24

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As an aside i personally think the biggest issue with 3/5/7/ when bottom tier is that there's a lot of T9 tanks  T9's are a very large jump over T8's. To some degree thats true of all tiers, but IMO it's much worse at T8-9 than anywhere else except T4-5. And that leaves T8 tanks badly outclassed.

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View PostRumsweet, on Dec 18 2017 - 07:06, said:

I want to keep this fresh because the moment we stop saying that tier 8 mm is just absolutely horrendous, is the moment WG will try to slide this under the table because they know we all think it is just worse than ever and they want to try to forget about a very serious, and broken system that was put in place post 9.18.

WARGAMING: You guys need to tell us something. ANYTHING. You say mm is "in a good place"... and no... no its not. 99% of the population agrees with this. I watch streams, I watch youtube vids, I play the game myself on occasion. Would play more... but I cant. I simply cant. The 10th time in a row when I am bottom-tiered [edited]is when I call it. This is #1 primary complaint. We all need peace. At least tell us that you wont fix the issue so we can all move on to other things. Your silence is making it worse. We need an update.

I'd way rather have pre 9.18 even if it means I am the only tier 8 in an all tier 10 match 50% of the time. The short answer to this solution guys is change the template if you dont want to go back. 5/5/5 maybe. Anything. Just ******* FIX IT PLEASE! OR TELL US THAT THIS IS WHAT IT IS. Just tell us something.

 

The problem isn't frequency that tier 8 tanks play tier 9 and 10's(one would expect 2/3 of your matches to be 9 and 10's) but the that tier 9 and 10's are so overpowered compared to 8's. I think tier 8's should be capped at tier 9. Tier 10 matches would be exclusive to 9's and 10's.

 

 



TankFullOfBourbon #10 Posted Dec 18 2017 - 12:41

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View PostRumsweet, on Dec 18 2017 - 07:06, said:

I want to keep this fresh because the moment we stop saying that tier 8 mm is just absolutely horrendous, is the moment WG will try to slide this under the table because they know we all think it is just worse than ever and they want to try to forget about a very serious, and broken system that was put in place post 9.18.

WARGAMING: You guys need to tell us something. ANYTHING. You say mm is "in a good place"... and no... no its not. 99% of the population agrees with this. I watch streams, I watch youtube vids, I play the game myself on occasion. Would play more... but I cant. I simply cant. The 10th time in a row when I am bottom-tiered [edited]is when I call it. This is #1 primary complaint. We all need peace. At least tell us that you wont fix the issue so we can all move on to other things. Your silence is making it worse. We need an update.

I'd way rather have pre 9.18 even if it means I am the only tier 8 in an all tier 10 match 50% of the time. The short answer to this solution guys is change the template if you dont want to go back. 5/5/5 maybe. Anything. Just ******* FIX IT PLEASE! OR TELL US THAT THIS IS WHAT IT IS. Just tell us something.

 

I think most of the people on this forum know that tier 8 is getting the short end of the shaft from MM, BUT IT IS THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY! Stop complaining about it, play another tier, tier 7 is a dance on roses these days, or suck it up like the rest of us.



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View PostTankFullOfBourbon, on Dec 18 2017 - 06:41, said:

 

I think most of the people on this forum know that tier 8 is getting the short end of the shaft from MM, BUT IT IS THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY! Stop complaining about it, play another tier, tier 7 is a dance on roses these days, or suck it up like the rest of us.

 

 

It really sounds like your advice is for everyone to quit using all the tier8 tanks they are grinding through on their way to the top of a line, and to quit using tier8 tanks they enjoyed when they first got them, and to quit using tier8 premiums they bought because they looked enticing, and to quit playing the game when it f's you.    You have a point. 


 

Is tier 8 the only "short end of the shaft from MM"........   What happens if EVERYBODY quits playing EVERYTHING that MM f's them on? 



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View PostCarl, on Dec 18 2017 - 06:19, said:

 

Actually it wasn't. it was designed so you would be bottom tier 1/3 of the time, mid tier 1/3 of the time and top tier 1/3 of the time. The problem is right now that last one is waay off.

 

It was never meant to be 5/5/5.....

Komitadjie #13 Posted Dec 18 2017 - 14:45

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It was definitely supposed to be more than the 8ish % it is now, though, I suspect.

7 is definitely a fun tier to play right now! Or weirdly, 8 TDs seem to get a better shake from MM than other tanks, especially heavies?

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View PostCavScout19D, on Dec 18 2017 - 08:15, said:

View PostCarl, on Dec 18 2017 - 06:19, said:

Actually it wasn't. it was designed so you would be bottom tier 1/3 of the time, mid tier 1/3 of the time and top tier 1/3 of the time. The problem is right now that last one is waay off.

It was never meant to be 5/5/5.....

must be some new math they are teaching where 3/15, 5/15 and 7/15 = 1/3, 1/3 and 1/3.



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View PostNeatoMan, on Dec 18 2017 - 09:00, said:

must be some new math they are teaching where 3/15, 5/15 and 7/15 = 1/3, 1/3 and 1/3.

 

It would probably go a long way in explaining the "shock" some have that a 3/5/7 format would likely lead to be being bottom tier more than top tier....

Komitadjie #16 Posted Dec 18 2017 - 15:22

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I think it's mostly how often you're dead bottom as an 8, instead of middle or top. 7-8-9 games seem even more rare than 6-7-8s.  

sergeantmine09 #17 Posted Dec 18 2017 - 15:43

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The thing that annoys me is they say (or at least I thought they said) a guaranteed top tier "x" amount of battles. Unless the number is extremely disproportionate to how many battles I crack out, that function is ineffective (unless it was never one at all, I just heard this from a clan member a while back after a patch update).

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View PostNeatoMan, on Dec 18 2017 - 14:00, said:

must be some new math they are teaching where 3/15, 5/15 and 7/15 = 1/3, 1/3 and 1/3.

 

Nope just WG'ing direct statements when the new MM was released that Top/mid/bottom was supposed to be 1/3 each.

Komitadjie #19 Posted Dec 18 2017 - 15:45

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I've heard nothing about that, myself... As far as I know, it's "random" with a preference for 3/5/7s, based around what's in the queue at the time. That just tends to mean 8s get the shaft pretty often.

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View PostNeatoMan, on Dec 18 2017 - 15:00, said:

must be some new math they are teaching where 3/15, 5/15 and 7/15 = 1/3, 1/3 and 1/3.

 

They're probably thinking adding the other match types in there as well, at +1 and level tier, and calling those top tier as well.






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