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wXwXw #1 Posted Dec 18 2017 - 16:44

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T110E5 is my first tier X tank and one of the most favourite (at least used to). But let’s face it, it’s not a good tank! In light of the new turret buffs to meds, buffs to IS7 (much needed) and with the intro of A5 and Super Conq, E5 is just not playable anymore.

 

Armour: E5’s armour has more holes than a Swiss cheese. Almost every time I get tracked, I also get ammo racked. The lower plate is an obvious weak spot making the E5 unreliable in the city environment. 

 

Gun:  If we compare with the Super Conq, E5’s gun lacks in every parameter: aim, DPM, handling. Not to mention, Super gets APCR which is much more reliable than HEAT. No wonder, every time I get shot with Super, its APCR.  Super also has better gun depression at 10 deg while E5 only has 8. 

 

Cupola: M48 is a medium tank, yet WG realised the importance of making the commander cupola smaller as it was a huge target. If a  medium support tank with a great mobility and gun handling gets its obvious weakness removed, why do you think a heavy tank should have such a huge weakness? Before the nerf, E5’s cupola could be penned with Gold, now it can be penned with regular rounds. It was not OP then, and it is not even close to being a good tank now.

 

In short, E5 needs a buff in regard to its cupola. If the copula is to remain as large as it is, the weak spot should be smaller. Just like Tort, the weak spot should only include the centre of the cupola and not the entire thing. And it should be reliable even against Gold because a weak spot is still a weakness as long as it can be EASILY penned with Gold. Super Conq’s commander cupola is a GOOD weakness as you cannot pen it with an easy even with gold. Here, with Super, you have almost unpennable turrer with 10 deg of gun depression and great dpm. Do you really think E5 can compete with that? 

 

Take a look at the Clan War tanks. Who is using E5 anymore? Also one of my favourite streamers, Anfild, does not think E5 is a good tank. His toonmate, Overlord_Prime from BULBA thinks: “E5 sucks … it’s a piece of garbage.” You can find the video below just start at 15:05 if you want to see what they think about our beloved E5.

 

WG, please consider making some changes to the E5's cupola as to make it more reliable in the game and competitive with other tanks. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GfcxaYBm0k

 

 



brianc53 #2 Posted Dec 18 2017 - 16:55

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I have the E5 unlocked and I’m not buying it as it currently stands. I can’t believe I’m saying this but I’m sticking with the M103 for now, and working towards the T57 instead.

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Uh oh... I'm grinding that line. Are you saying I should change? It's a bit too late for me now. LOL It seems like a decent all-rounder, except armor doesn't count for anything anymore with gold ammo. RIP

wXwXw #4 Posted Dec 18 2017 - 17:01

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View PostDaDoomTurtle, on Dec 18 2017 - 16:55, said:

Uh oh... I'm grinding that line. Are you saying I should change? It's a bit too late for me now. LOL It seems like a decent all-rounder, except armor doesn't count for anything anymore with gold ammo. RIP

 

When you come over a hill, the very first thing they see is your cupola. They used to pen it with gold, but now tier 9s and 10s pen it without gold. The lower plate is super easy to pen too.  I penned it with Rev (200 mm) 2 out of 2.

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View Postbrianc53, on Dec 18 2017 - 16:55, said:

I have the E5 unlocked and I’m not buying it as it currently stands. I can’t believe I’m saying this but I’m sticking with the M103 for now, and working towards the T57 instead.

 

Go for M48 Patton, the turret and the gun handling is amazing. It can do things that E5 can no longer dream off. 

Awestryker #6 Posted Dec 18 2017 - 17:10

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This does not mean a lot as its all about individual performance in a tank...but...

Out of all 17 of the tier 10 heavies...according to vbaddict, the T110E5 is #16 and the T57 is #17 in win rates...

 

 



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View PostAwestryker, on Dec 18 2017 - 17:10, said:

This does not mean a lot as its all about individual performance in a tank...but...

Out of all 17 of the tier 10 heavies...according to vbaddict, the T110E5 is #16 and the T57 is #17 in win rates...

 

 

 

You are right, I usually include data to prove a point, but the weak spots on the E5 are not just my personal preference. Your additional data does, however, support my argument. Thanks!

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View PostwXwXw, on Dec 18 2017 - 15:44, said:

T110E5 is my first tier X tank and one of the most favourite (at least used to). But let’s face it, it’s not a good tank! In light of the new turret buffs to meds, buffs to IS7 (much needed) and with the intro of A5 and Super Conq, E5 is just not playable anymore.

 

Armour: E5’s armour has more holes than a Swiss cheese. Almost every time I get tracked, I also get ammo racked. The lower plate is an obvious weak spot making the E5 unreliable in the city environment. 

 

Gun:  If we compare with the Super Conq, E5’s gun lacks in every parameter: aim, DPM, handling. Not to mention, Super gets APCR which is much more reliable than HEAT. No wonder, every time I get shot with Super, its APCR.  Super also has better gun depression at 10 deg while E5 only has 8. 

 

Cupola: M48 is a medium tank, yet WG realised the importance of making the commander cupola smaller as it was a huge target. If a  medium support tank with a great mobility and gun handling gets its obvious weakness removed, why do you think a heavy tank should have such a huge weakness? Before the nerf, E5’s cupola could be penned with Gold, now it can be penned with regular rounds. It was not OP then, and it is not even close to being a good tank now.

 

In short, E5 needs a buff in regard to its cupola. If the copula is to remain as large as it is, the weak spot should be smaller. Just like Tort, the weak spot should only include the centre of the cupola and not the entire thing. And it should be reliable even against Gold because a weak spot is still a weakness as long as it can be EASILY penned with Gold. Super Conq’s commander cupola is a GOOD weakness as you cannot pen it with an easy even with gold. Here, with Super, you have almost unpennable turrer with 10 deg of gun depression and great dpm. Do you really think E5 can compete with that? 

 

Take a look at the Clan War tanks. Who is using E5 anymore? Also one of my favourite streamers, Anfild, does not think E5 is a good tank. His toonmate, Overlord_Prime from BULBA thinks: “E5 sucks … it’s a piece of garbage.” You can find the video below just start at 15:05 if you want to see what they think about our beloved E5.

 

WG, please consider making some changes to the E5's cupola as to make it more reliable in the game and competitive with other tanks. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GfcxaYBm0k

 

 

 

​I completely agree with you.  I believe the last nerf to to the E5 was what killed it.

 



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Once upon a time, the E5 was broken. The best Heavium Support SuperHeavy the game has ever seen. Either you shot the front of the cupola at a perfect angle, or it would bounce. Either you shot specific portions of the lower plate, or it would bounce. Better heavy than the Maus, better medium than the Patton. While they probably did overnerf it, it will forever be haunted by the memories of how terrifying it once was, back to the days where it'd face-hug a Maus and win every time. 

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View PostSkyrimosity, on Dec 18 2017 - 16:24, said:

Once upon a time, the E5 was broken. The best Heavium Support SuperHeavy the game has ever seen. Either you shot the front of the cupola at a perfect angle, or it would bounce. Either you shot specific portions of the lower plate, or it would bounce. Better heavy than the Maus, better medium than the Patton. While they probably did overnerf it, it will forever be haunted by the memories of how terrifying it once was, back to the days where it'd face-hug a Maus and win every time. 

 

How long ago was this? I don't remember it ever being that strong, i also did stop playing for 4 years though.

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WG needs to change the amount of damage you can do hitting the cupola. Not just on this tank but all of them. Why should I get 1k damage to my tank just because the top of the cupola gets hit. How about a percentage of damage hitting it.

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In defense of the cupola I couldn’t pen it (0 for 2) with a Tier 8 Lowe at close range yesterday. I aimed well, but the 234mm pen didn’t pen. Maybe I was unlucky?  Both shots made a nice sliver mark on the cupola but no hole.  

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View PostAbashedDuke2, on Dec 18 2017 - 10:26, said:

 

How long ago was this? I don't remember it ever being that strong, i also did stop playing for 4 years though.

 

Start of 2016 to start of 2017, is I believe the time when the E5 was over-buffed in the HD model to the time when it was nerfed in 9.17.1

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View PostAbashedDuke2, on Dec 18 2017 - 10:26, said:

 

How long ago was this? I don't remember it ever being that strong, i also did stop playing for 4 years though.

 

few years ago, it was the supreme T10 heavy, now its just ok borderline crap

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View Postbrianc53, on Dec 18 2017 - 17:30, said:

In defense of the cupola I couldn’t pen it (0 for 2) with a Tier 8 Lowe at close range yesterday. I aimed well, but the 234mm pen didn’t pen. Maybe I was unlucky? Both shots made a nice sliver mark on the cupola but no hole.

 

Most parts of the E5's cupola is around 220 so you were really unlucky. I bounced 2 shots off BC in my T28 ...sometimes I just don't get the rng factor. 

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View Postpipecutter, on Dec 18 2017 - 17:26, said:

WG needs to change the amount of damage you can do hitting the cupola. Not just on this tank but all of them. Why should I get 1k damage to my tank just because the top of the cupola gets hit. How about a percentage of damage hitting it.

 

That's just silly... a pen is a pen and should be treated as such without regard to where you penned. 

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View Postbrianc53, on Dec 18 2017 - 10:55, said:

I have the E5 unlocked and I’m not buying it as it currently stands. I can’t believe I’m saying this but I’m sticking with the M103 for now, and working towards the T57 instead.

 

I am right there with ya

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View PostDaDoomTurtle, on Dec 18 2017 - 09:55, said:

Uh oh... I'm grinding that line. Are you saying I should change? It's a bit too late for me now. LOL It seems like a decent all-rounder, except armor doesn't count for anything anymore with gold ammo. RIP

No real reason to go past the T29 on the U.S. heavy line anymore.  The T32 still has a great turret, but armor creep around has really left it hurting it in the gun department.  M103 is meh.  Gun is ok, but not as good as it used to be with the armor and alpha creep around it. Additionally, there are lots of other heavies and even mediums that can fill the role it fills with better overall armor(massive forehead weakness really hurts it).  And as others have mentioned, buffs to other tanks and nerfs to its armor have left the E5 in a very meh state.



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I am glad that 100% of you see the problem with E5, it's too bad that WG does not see it. 

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This is the only post that I have ever made that gained 100% support. 





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