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Mow_Mow's Photo Mow_Mow Mar 07 2012

Hull down FTW.

Also bouncing little tanks in my JT feels like taking candy from a baby. It's so sad :(

But then punching tier 8/9/10s in the face with the L61 feels good :P
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teamoldmill's Photo teamoldmill Mar 07 2012

View PostMow_Mow, on Mar 07 2012 - 09:36, said:

Hull down FTW.

Also bouncing little tanks in my JT feels like taking candy from a baby. It's so sad :(

But then punching tier 8/9/10s in the face with the L61 feels good :P
Well, my Jagdtiger went against an enemy Jagdtiger on mines, only a few vehicles left. Ended up in a stand off, decided to charge. I had more hps. I was going up a hill, so we were casemate to casemate. His first shot? Right through my casemate. My first shot? Right through his casemate (I killed him, he only had 400 hps left). Hull down is fine if it is a scrub tank. Any T X gun can punch through no problem. I aimed to the right of his gun a little low. His shot hit me to my left on the upper part of the casemate.

Now, say, an American heavy? I have to hit a hatch or no damage, ever. IS-4 or 7? Same. They, however, can punch through me in a hull down situation and it is just stupid. I don't even bother aiming for a spot on the Jagdtiger with my Object. Point, click, boom. The armor on the JT needs to work at least some of the time versus equal or higher tier. At best I will get the odd bounce at range. Anything closer and it is simple math on how long I live. Only the German lines get just one gun capable of true T X penetration, other nations get many of them. Makes no sense.
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Mow_Mow's Photo Mow_Mow Mar 07 2012

If you watched my replay, you can watch the enemy JT bounce harmlessly off of my superstructure (276 vs 250) while I didn't have a problem with him. I didn't have a problem with an IS-4 either, or a T28. I *highly* doubt what I did could have been accomplished in an Object 704.

And I don't know what you mean by "only one gun capable of true T X penetration" as the Americans only have the T7 at 276mm. The T53 is the same as the Ferdi's best gun and the T30's gun is being removed.
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Death187's Photo Death187 Mar 08 2012

Ok guys 4 matches tonight.

First one was in my T95. I find the best way to play it is the same way I play my Maus lol.

http://www.mediafire...cgzst90k909ysl6

Ok, back to the JT. Here is a match I did with Reaper. Nothing too exciting  :lol: .

http://www.mediafire...xxqrac41xxawjxp

4 kills on this match. I missed a couple of shots... I also decided to make a push then realized my team collapsed so I had to rush back to base.

http://www.mediafire...51bq97v4cuchttf

6 Kill, 7 if Reaper didn't kill steal from me (lol, he told me he did it as payback for what happened in the second match I posted)  :Smile_great: Also you can see me make a horrible shot on the T25 AT when I was close to him. My cross hair wasn't even on his tank! lol

http://www.mediafire...v3465fyau4nttdf
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Sealteam6's Photo Sealteam6 Mar 08 2012

The Maus Trap

Its not a JT nor a high scoring game, just my 704 acting as bait & then setting them up in an arty trap by one of my buds.

http://www.mediafire...m8ccdxdtro9nl98
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Sealteam6's Photo Sealteam6 Mar 08 2012

LOL DH That T95 is badass, 70K & 27 hits omg The other day I decided I would get one so I used free XP up to the AT T25 & will grind some from there.
Good games, that shot on the T25 lol.....You could of got an 8 even.
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Sealteam6's Photo Sealteam6 Mar 08 2012

View PostMow_Mow, on Mar 07 2012 - 16:35, said:

If you watched my replay, you can watch the enemy JT bounce harmlessly off of my superstructure (276 vs 250) while I didn't have a problem with him. I didn't have a problem with an IS-4 either, or a T28. I *highly* doubt what I did could have been accomplished in an Object 704.

And I don't know what you mean by "only one gun capable of true T X penetration" as the Americans only have the T7 at 276mm. The T53 is the same as the Ferdi's best gun and the T30's gun is being removed.

Great game Mow, chewed em up & spat em out, that kid talking about Slider was a worry, I'm sure if it was physically possible he would give birth to his children.
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teamoldmill's Photo teamoldmill Mar 08 2012

View PostMow_Mow, on Mar 07 2012 - 16:35, said:

If you watched my replay, you can watch the enemy JT bounce harmlessly off of my superstructure (276 vs 250) while I didn't have a problem with him. I didn't have a problem with an IS-4 either, or a T28. I *highly* doubt what I did could have been accomplished in an Object 704.

And I don't know what you mean by "only one gun capable of true T X penetration" as the Americans only have the T7 at 276mm. The T53 is the same as the Ferdi's best gun and the T30's gun is being removed.
Should have said one vehicle. US has two vehicles T-30, T-95, soon to be more, capable of 260 +. T-30 being removed, but replaced with high pen gun.

Soviets have 4 I believe? IS-4,7, ISU and Object? French have two in their heavy line, once they get TDs I am flat out scared. Germany has 1, the Jagdtiger at 276. Our best heavy is the 246 pen 12.8. I am a big believer in penetration matters. All the damage in the world matters not at all if you miss by 1 foot and ding. This is why the E-100 is such a dog, good damage, but accuracy and penetration of a t8 gun. Humbug.

I am not the best player in the world, but I am well above average. I just love the BL-10 and the 12.8 on the JT is fun when you get a target. But the 246 pen guns really show their age in high tier battles. Not enough beef to get through a hull down American or most places on an IS-4 or 7. They can get through you no problem.
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Death187's Photo Death187 Mar 08 2012

View PostSealteam6, on Mar 08 2012 - 14:53, said:

LOL DH That T95 is badass, 70K & 27 hits omg The other day I decided I would get one so I used free XP up to the AT T25 & will grind some from there.
Good games, that shot on the T25 lol.....You could of got an 8 even.

Yeah that T25 shot was horrible lol. As soon as I clicked to fire I said "what the hell kind of a shot was that!?"

Yeah the T95 can really take a beating. If you keep it moving it is very very hard to hit that hatch. The majority of T95s I see just sit still thinking they are invincible which makes for easy hatch hits.

My brother just about pissed himself laughing when I tracked him after his several comments about capping with his T95 lol.
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Death187's Photo Death187 Mar 08 2012

View Postteamoldmill, on Mar 08 2012 - 16:26, said:

Should have said one vehicle. US has two vehicles T-30, T-95, soon to be more, capable of 260 +. T-30 being removed, but replaced with high pen gun.

Soviets have 4 I believe? IS-4,7, ISU and Object? French have two in their heavy line, once they get TDs I am flat out scared. Germany has 1, the Jagdtiger at 276. Our best heavy is the 246 pen 12.8. I am a big believer in penetration matters. All the damage in the world matters not at all if you miss by 1 foot and ding. This is why the E-100 is such a dog, good damage, but accuracy and penetration of a t8 gun. Humbug.

I am not the best player in the world, but I am well above average. I just love the BL-10 and the 12.8 on the JT is fun when you get a target. But the 246 pen guns really show their age in high tier battles. Not enough beef to get through a hull down American or most places on an IS-4 or 7. They can get through you no problem.

I agree. The E100 pen is SO HORRBILE that I never run mine. I dont even use it for my doubles anymore. Once the StugE100 comes out I am selling my E100 and moving the crew to the stug. I have given up waiting for a buff to its pen...
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Mow_Mow's Photo Mow_Mow Mar 08 2012

teamold - I completely agree about the penetration. The S-70 should not have better penetration than the 12.8cmKwK44. But it does. : / (Don't get me started on the BL-10...)

Also, I don't worry much about French penetration. Their accuracy is such a lie that at anything further than 240 meters they'll miss at least half of their shots.
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teamoldmill's Photo teamoldmill Mar 08 2012

To be fair, I don't think any heavy tanks should have T X level penetration. I firmly believe only TDs should have the 260 + level pen. I think it takes away from our niche as the snipers and heavy armor terror. I think heavies should be able to possibly pen heavy armor, but that TDs are the grand daddy of doing it. It's what we are supposed to do and why we sacrifice so much in other areas.
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Mow_Mow's Photo Mow_Mow Mar 08 2012

That's probably why the T30 is being moved to TD route, and French tank got penetration lowered from 280(!) to 267. The new T110 has 268 and is expected to go up, but only deals 400 damage per shot and has no autoloader.

EDIT: Fixed typo.
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Death187's Photo Death187 Mar 08 2012

View Postteamoldmill, on Mar 08 2012 - 17:15, said:

To be fair, I don't think any heavy tanks should have T X level penetration. I firmly believe only TDs should have the 260 + level pen. I think it takes away from our niche as the snipers and heavy armor terror. I think heavies should be able to possibly pen heavy armor, but that TDs are the grand daddy of doing it. It's what we are supposed to do and why we sacrifice so much in other areas.

I totaly agree. +1
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Sealteam6's Photo Sealteam6 Mar 08 2012

View Postteamoldmill, on Mar 08 2012 - 17:15, said:

To be fair, I don't think any heavy tanks should have T X level penetration. I firmly believe only TDs should have the 260 + level pen. I think it takes away from our niche as the snipers and heavy armor terror. I think heavies should be able to possibly pen heavy armor, but that TDs are the grand daddy of doing it. It's what we are supposed to do and why we sacrifice so much in other areas.

Heir Heir +1
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Mow_Mow's Photo Mow_Mow Mar 09 2012

Hee hee hee, my JT's average damage per match is creeping up and up and up~

WoT Dossier.
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teamoldmill's Photo teamoldmill Mar 09 2012

View PostMow_Mow, on Mar 09 2012 - 06:22, said:

Hee hee hee, my JT's average damage per match is creeping up and up and up~

WoT Dossier.
Mine is too, but still lagging the Object. I think I am getting better as a whole as all my tanks are improving. I don't play drunk as often and I force myself to(usually) wait 1 minute before rushing anywhere. I have had some damn good matches in the JT, no doubts. Last good one was an 8 kill wrecking ball where everything fell in to place. Heck, I dusted off the Stug and just went on a 10 kill rampage today. Just a little more, just a little more good changes and I think the JT could be great. It's the little engine that can almost. I will never be as good as some of you, maybe it does just need ultra level He-Man skill I lack. Oh well, there is always beer.
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ForcestormX's Photo ForcestormX Mar 09 2012

View Postteamoldmill, on Mar 08 2012 - 17:15, said:

To be fair, I don't think any heavy tanks should have T X level penetration. I firmly believe only TDs should have the 260 + level pen. I think it takes away from our niche as the snipers and heavy armor terror. I think heavies should be able to possibly pen heavy armor, but that TDs are the grand daddy of doing it. It's what we are supposed to do and why we sacrifice so much in other areas.

I haven't seen an idea that good that I didn't think of for a while! :D jk, good idea.

Btw, if you have an elite T30, but haven't really gotten very far in the US TD tree, 7.2 will unlock the 105, 120, and 155 AT guns for you, for free. I just saved 138000 xp! I'll be actually doing that T95 grind now as a result, once 7.2 hits. :)
I may be hating the US heavies as they are in the test, but there are some fringe benefits.

No replays, busy playing Mass Effect.  :rolleyes:
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teamoldmill's Photo teamoldmill Mar 10 2012

Well, all TDs are getting a credit nerf in the coming patch. We will earn less while T 10 heavies, T9 mediums will earn more. I don't understand that. Thread about it was removed too.

You guys think we were somehow making too many credits? I don't. Seems to punish TD players even further.

Holy fail team. 4 matches just now in JT and Object, not even a single close one. Steamrolled.
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MSTRSNPR's Photo MSTRSNPR Mar 10 2012

Mow_Mow,
Great games again only thing i can see alot of the time you line up someone zoomed in then just as you are about to shoot you unzoom and you shoot but you miss some shots that would hit easy if they move just even
a little bit when you do that there is a chance that it will not pen or miss all together,the Ez8 at the start would have been a one shot,then the commander hach shot miss on the KV-5 and the same for the T28 at the end
i would just try and stay on target till you know it's either dead or you have hit first but very nice work.

Death187,
In your T95 i could'nt believe them 2 shots missed that Ez8 and that the turret shot on that Löwe did'nt pen but happens nice game m8.
2nd video,lmao at the banter with you and your Bro that T-44 did'nt know what had happened was all over in no time and i could'nt stop laughing at the end when you shoot your Bro had a sore gut after laughing so much.
3rd,Very nice PZIV shot m8,and on the T32 you were after that bank there is a pain you have to aim higher than you think to hit them i have been in that position before it's annoying but great effort.
and the last one nice spot there that you used,and unreal how close that S-51 shot went to hitting you it just went over you and lol very nice shot and no scope on that poor Ez8 great stuff as always m8.

Sealteam6,
Only a few things m8 i would have stayed face hugging the Maus he could'nt aim low enough to hit you untill you moved again,and the arty kill at the end i would have pushed forward near that bank in front of you then you
could have shot and took away the other arty's shot from the right while it gave you a chance to reload in time to finish the other one off but nice work m8.

teamoldmill,
On the credit nerf i think it is wrong for them to do i only started playing the game to get to my JT which i have and enjoy using it more than any other tank,td in the game but then to make it harder to play something we love or
make it earn less money to try and make us play lower tiers for money to play the bigger tanks is wrong in my mind,if i wanted to only play lower tiers i would be there playing them instead of me getting to the only TD
in the game that even got me started playing the game in the first place and now they are trying to make it harder for us, it has got harder as it is with these french tanks around now appearing out of nowhere we don't
need them to now nerf our favorite TD's money as well.

Well here is a few videos for you all,
1st  is on Karelia i start off shooting over the top of an IS-4,Type-59 on our team they don't move or do much so then i get angry after a E75 pings off me a few times,then i get hammered and have only 67hp left then down to
56hp at the end i hit survival mode to some how survive but not for too long as you will see,now at the end i am sorry for raging the IS-4 next time i will not say a word i don't normally say anything in game but i got annoyed at him
it won't happen again. http://www.mediafire...pefymid1tovmxvt

And this last one is on Cliff have a look at my ping in this game it has been doing this on me now for the last week or so i wish i new what was going on with it but not much i can do it's not real good on my hit ratio but
not much i can do just go with it and hope it is better the next time i login.
I have a Löwe get in my way and miss a kill shot at the start was woried about hitting him,then a little bit of hulldown with a crazy AMX 50B that does not pen me but he still stays there anyway lmao,then i get surrounded
but i have to take out a T-54 that i was woried about hitting my side can't believe my first shot misses grrrrr at my ping,then at the end they don't realise that i am there then,then i end up with a crazy bounce off the side of a Maus
and hit a rock in front of him at the end. http://www.mediafire...xz7eciaj0cebe3s

Take care and see you all on the Battlefield ;)
PS:sorry for the novel lol
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