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Dirizon #1 Posted Jan 07 2018 - 02:54

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So l am acquiring my non-restricted firearm acquisition ticket next weekend. Then right after, l will be looking into getting my restricted firearm acquisition ticket, and then waiting the time for the tickets to process and come through. I want to eventually acquire outdoor wilderness worker permit-to-carry, too. 

 

I want want to hear, from people with preferably a good deal of experience, good beginner choices on a long arm firearm. My criteria is pretty basic, l simply want to pickup the interesting hobby of getting good at the range, range finding across a ranch, silhouetting, and so on. I want to better my focus. I am not really interested in hunting, although my work has 2 skeet shoot contests a yr. 

 

1) low recoil. I would imagine every newer shooter would appreciate low recoil and controllability, as well as a quality stock and frame. A long arm in .223 caliber stands out of course, as a go-to choice with ammo easy to find and inexpensive.

 

2) lever or bolt operation. Keep in mind, my Canadian laws are very different than Texas or Alaska. Semi automatic rifles have a lot of catches.

 

3) preferably not a shotgun. Shotguns do not really interest me. 

 

4) due to my work and profession, l have come to appreciate lumber. A nice grain hardwood furniture, for stock and fore-handle would be great. I am neither militant or tactical, so l do not see the need of synthetics or polymer. Something classy; like walnut, ash, hickory, or cherry. This would also lend me to take care of it more often.

 

I have been advised already by friends, on excellent weapons of high quality, such as Yildiz and Sako long arms. Any other recommendations?



Spartan_Striker #2 Posted Jan 07 2018 - 02:58

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My question is... Why ask here on an MMO inhabited by monkeys?:harp:

 

However, hope you find what you are looking for! :honoring:



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A good old-fashioned Lee-Enfield   Mk1 or M4 will do you well. They are inexpensive and .303 British is cheap. They have good accuracy with the iron sites. My first rifle was No. 1 Mk4.  Although they do have a bit of a kick, they are very forgiving guns for beginners. I routinely nail cans at 100 yards. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee–Enfield#Lee–Enfield_No._1_Mk_V



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As a long time shooter I would have to ask why you are considering .223 for your first rifle.  If you are just learning to shoot, as I understand from your question, you would probably be farther ahead financially getting a good quality .22LR to learn on.  The shells are a lot cheaper.  There is a large variety of brands and models available with hardwood stocks.  I would look for a more substantial build aimed at target shooting rather than a light camping rifle.  Once you have the fundamentals down after a few thousand rounds downrange at 25-50m you can think about spending more money per bang out to 100m and beyond.

 

A couple of things to keep in mind:  Regardless of which calibre you chose, buy several boxes of ammo from different manufacturers at first.  You will find that your particular rifle prefers one brand over most of the others...giving you tighter, more consistent groups.  Zero your rifle at 25m.  In calibres .223+ this will mean that you are also zeroed at about 200m.  Remember that a bullet travels in a ballistic arc, rising above your line of sight at about 25m from the muzzle and then dropping back through that line of sight around 200 (generally speaking.)  It is way easier to adjust your sights based on a tight pattern at 25m than a wider spread at 100m.  Once you are on at 25/200, you can then re-zero at whatever range you will be firing at steadily with a lot less guesswork.



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I'd say an old weatherby or maybe a M1 would be nice.

Dirizon #6 Posted Jan 07 2018 - 03:20

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M1 Garand  is an interesting choice. l may think the recoil would be a bit high though, and a cumbersome action that does not allow for easy fit optics

 

l am considering a lever, in .357



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Get a Ripsaw and forget this childish firearms obsession. 

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View PostDirizon, on Jan 07 2018 - 03:20, said:

M1 Garand  is an interesting choice. l may think the recoil would be a bit high though, and a cumbersome action that does not allow for easy fit optics

 

l am considering a lever, in .357

 

​Levers and optics don't mix very often.  Marlin has a side ejection port which allows for a scope.  I've killed more whitetails than smallpox with my Marlin 30-30.  Great rifle, but not one to learn the fundamentals with.

 

If you go lever and scope, make sure you buy a hammer extension so you can [edited]it from the half-[edited]safety position.  Without one it's tough to get your gloved thumb between the hammer and the back of the scope.  The extension is a little knurled cylinder that slides sideways onto the end of the hammer and tightens with an allen key.  Too funny they edited my comment...I can see why.  You can guess what the word is.


Edited by rockbutcher, Jan 07 2018 - 03:30.


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probably not any of these  ;)

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Leverguns generally shoot “minute of deer”, if you want target shooting accuracy get a bolt action.  A heavy barreled Savage will generally shoot as well as or better than most sub-$2000 rifles.  I agree with an earlier poster that a good .22 is an excellent first rifle.  Shooting ranges that have 300yd or greater lanes may be hard to find so a .22 at a shorter range is just as much of a challenge and MUCH cheaper to shoot.  There are some great .22 rifles out there. 

 

Good luck!



sargev55 #11 Posted Jan 07 2018 - 03:49

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ok so apparently I cannot upload more photos from my imageshack account because an admin at wargaming will not allow it?  this has never happened before in 3-4 years of posting on these forums.

 

 

 



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The Savage Axis bolt action rifles in .223 and .308 WIN are common and inexpensive up north. The .223 has very mild recoil. But you'll probably be better off with the 308. Recoil is still on the mild side, but it is far more versatile.

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If you are just starting get plinking gun like a .22 or maybe a .17 HMR. Both are fun in bolt action form and are good training guns. Then you can step up to a .30 cal of your choosing which is a good step up. You could alternatively get a lever action pistol cartridge rifle like a .44 mag marlin, or other non bottle kneck cartridge. 

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View PostWorland, on Jan 06 2018 - 21:57, said:

The Savage Axis bolt action rifles in .223 and .308 WIN are common and inexpensive up north. The .223 has very mild recoil. But you'll probably be better off with the 308. Recoil is still on the mild side, but it is far more versatile.

 

If you're set on a bolt-action, this is a good choice based on price and availability. And while it was common practice when I was growing up, a .22lr does not have to be your first rifle. But if you do go .22, try a lever-action. There are some very attractive .22 lever actions with nice woodwork, for low cost.

And while wood is pretty, if you're in the "great white north", just know that synthetics handle extreme weather better.


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View PostDirizon, on Jan 07 2018 - 02:54, said:

So l am acquiring my non-restricted firearm acquisition ticket next weekend. Then right after, l will be looking into getting my restricted firearm acquisition ticket, and then waiting the time for the tickets to process and come through. I want to eventually acquire outdoor wilderness worker permit-to-carry, too. 

 

2) . Keep in mind, my Canadian laws are very different than Texas or Alaska. Semi automatic rifles have a lot of catches.

 

WOW, It took me about 30 mins to get my carry license (Ga, USA). I can buy and carry about anything I want, as many as I want, wherever I want- short of a full auto in a federal building...America!

 

Try a Ruger 10-22 to get ya going....



Dirizon #16 Posted Jan 07 2018 - 04:24

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View Postsargev55, on Jan 06 2018 - 22:08, said:

probably not any of these  

A lot of those are prohibited.

Kel Tech Carb seem cool, but are definitively illegal 

I would really like an M1 Carbine though. Low recoil

i even see you have 1 rifle in Scout Rifle scoped concept.



Dirizon #17 Posted Jan 07 2018 - 04:35

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The problem with .3O carbine, is the low recoil intermed bullet never really caught on, other than American Gl service.It is a real shame, as .3O carb performs much like a .357, using lighter bullets and rimless groove, not using the older rimmed design. Making it easier to accommodate in weapons. Not getting often chambered and widely adopted, makes ammunition hard to find, even if l did find a chambered long arm bored for .3O from some smithy



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View PostDirizon, on Jan 07 2018 - 03:24, said:

A lot of those are prohibited.

Kel Tech Carb seem cool, but are definitively illegal 

I would really like an M1 Carbine though. Low recoil

i even see you have 1 rifle in Scout Rifle scoped concept.

 

where are you located?

 

I'm east coast US

 



Dirizon #19 Posted Jan 07 2018 - 04:37

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Read the thread....l listed everything

 

though nonetheless cool to see, the intent here was not gun-show-and-tell.



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View Postrich30606, on Jan 06 2018 - 22:23, said:

 

 

Try a Ruger 10-22 to get ya going....

 

That's a good little rifle. .22 cal would be a great way to get into the hobby/sport.  Inexpensive ammo is a big plus too.  The Ruger Mini 14 in .223 would be pretty close to your M! Carbine.  Plus, a much better rifle.  .30 cal on the carbine is not a great round.

 

Maybe consider a Henry Golden boy lever action in .22 as well.  Nice looking rifle.

https://www.henryusa...les/golden-boy/

 


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