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Poll: SU-122-54 (181 members have cast votes)

Should the SU-122-54 become a special vehicle instead of just being removed completely?

  1. Special vehicle status? (129 votes [71.27%])

    Percentage of vote: 71.27%

  2. Removed completely? (17 votes [9.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.39%

  3. Purchasable tier 8 prem? (29 votes [16.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.02%

  4. Other (Post below) (6 votes [3.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.31%

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NeroClaudiusDrusus #21 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 00:41

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Personally, I do not think it should get Special vehicle status because it is not a tier 10, and if it was bumped down to a tier 8 premium, it would be basically like the WZ-120-1 FT, or the SU-122-44 Tier 7 TD. If/When the T-103 is introduced into the game, then the Russian tech tree would have 4 premium TD's (100Y, 122-44, 122-54, and potentially the T-103), (Meanwhile the Americans have none available in the premium shop, but that's none of my business). *Insert Kermit sipping Tea Meme Here*



Midna1 #22 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 00:52

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I say keep it in, because the 122-54 was actually produced in small numbers unlike the replacement which was never produced 

FettPool #23 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 03:48

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Believe it or not, the 122-54 is the only reason I went down this line. True, it isn't a great vehicle, but I enjoy playing it. I think it should get the special treatment just as all the other tanks you've taken out before this.

 

And also, what exactly were the circumstances you tested this vehicle at tier 8? I know it's a really hard TD to play, and it doesn't have the easiest time of things at it's own tier, but I refuse to believe it was still just as bad off at tier 8. What gun did it use, what other parameters of the 122-54 did you change? If you made even minor changes, this TD would be leagues better than it is now. Just a few ideas:

-Increase the gun depression (like you did with the Charioteer) Which could increase it's effective armor against using slopes and also be able to dodge hits with it's low profile.

-Increase the thickness of the armor (Like you did for the British "Heavy" TD's) Which could make it's already well-angled armor much more effective. 

 

You could nerf it moderately in other areas like it's camo factor and mobility, which it has in spades. I'm no expert, but If you can drop a tier 10 down to tier 9 and reasonably balance it (assuming it is at least spitting distance of being such), then I think you could do the same for it's sibling at tier 9. You've done it before, and also with multiple other vehicles in this update. But this is somehow an exception? C'mon guys, that's lame.

 

   



Omega_Weapon #24 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 04:10

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The SU-122-54 might not fit into the "theme" of that TD line well, but it should not simply be deleted from the game. It has its merits and those who own one should not have it suddenly stolen away for no good reason. Please turn it into a tier 8 premium. As mentioned above, it does not need OP frontal armour if you give it really good DPM to compensate. It would work nicely as a big brother to the tier 7 SU-122-44.

EmperorJuliusCaesar #25 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 04:32

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It doesn't fit the line, so it's good that they're fixing things like this, to make it a normal progression for people that are newer.  They should not give it special status as it is not a tier 10.  As for it being a historical tank, hopefully it is brought back as a premium, and no, people shouldn't get it free as it wasn't a tier 10, much of the xp and work of a line is going from tier 9 to tier 10.  I know there are other prems that have this playstyle, but they're not a non-pref tier 8 soviet td.

Purple_Lives_Matter #26 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 05:15

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We need to vote to save the obj 263

panzer716 #27 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 06:20

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View PostPurple_Lives_Matter, on Jan 12 2018 - 05:15, said:

We need to vote to save the obj 263

 

I was thinking of doing that but this poll just assumes that the tree changes will go in as is and there isn't anything we can do to change how they are going to change the tree. So this poll is more saying, with the current changes assuming they go in as announced, what should be the fate of the SU-122-54?

Gunadie #28 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 06:42

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I don't want to see this unique tank removed or dropped to tier 8

I love this tank in spite of it armor issues and am vehemently opposed to having it removed from tier 9

Buff the armor WG!

You know its junk and all you need to do to rectify this is to buff the armor !!

Please do not remove the SU122-54 from the tech tree!


Edited by Gunadie, Jan 12 2018 - 06:42.


Gunadie #29 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 06:51

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View PostOmega_Weapon, on Jan 11 2018 - 19:10, said:

The SU-122-54 might not fit into the "theme" of that TD line well, but it should not simply be deleted from the game. It has its merits and those who own one should not have it suddenly stolen away for no good reason. Please turn it into a tier 8 premium. As mentioned above, it does not need OP frontal armour if you give it really good DPM to compensate. It would work nicely as a big brother to the tier 7 SU-122-44.

 

Turning it into another tier 8 is THE LAST THINK THIS GAME NEEDS!

There is nothing wrong with where it is it just needs a significant armor buff!

 



Omega_Weapon #30 Posted Jan 13 2018 - 04:17

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View PostGunadie, on Jan 12 2018 - 00:51, said:

 

Turning it into another tier 8 is THE LAST THINK THIS GAME NEEDS!

There is nothing wrong with where it is it just needs a significant armor buff!

 

 

​Giving it a fake amount of armour though negates the historical value of the tank. If the armour is not good enough for tier 9, I say drop the vehicle down a tier. Seems like a more natural fit.

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View PostDoctorThe19th, on Jan 11 2018 - 15:02, said:

I don't think special status should be implemented here as that should be tier 10s only for reward tanks.

but removing a historical tank doesn't seem right either..

making it a tier 8 premium may work but would it? We already have two premiums that work like it.. the SU-122-44 and WZ-120-1G FT. This would however be the first tier 8 premium Russian TD.. but a good one? It has one of the worst win ratios as a tier 9 and they claimed changing it to tier 8 as a regular tank didn't do anything to benefit itself.

 

i still dont know why win ratios makes a tank bad isnt that more of a team thing vs a tank thing. i would rather keep my SU-122-54 i like the tank i dont see whats so bad about it it plays like any other TD, personally i would prefer special status so i wont have to pay 50 bucks to get the tank back even considering they would even make it a tier 8 premium

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View PostOmega_Weapon, on Jan 12 2018 - 22:17, said:

 

​Giving it a fake amount of armour though negates the historical value of the tank. If the armour is not good enough for tier 9, I say drop the vehicle down a tier. Seems like a more natural fit.

 

wait isnt a td suppsoe to hide and sniper or ambush? why does it need alot of armor everyone and their cousin shoots gold anyway

DeadArashi #33 Posted Jan 13 2018 - 09:01

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As someone who loves the SU-122-54 it would be sad to lose it. If WG can find, or even make, some tanks to fit it would be a nice alternative branch. If they can get a tier 7 and 8 they could then have the SU-122-54 build into the current Obj 268? 

 

If there's one thing I would say the SU needs, it's not armor, but gun depression. Give it some more of that and it would be bloody brilliant


Edited by DeadArashi, Jan 13 2018 - 09:02.


Capt_Lackluster #34 Posted Jan 13 2018 - 14:49

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In World of (Fake) Tanks, why not just buff it's frontal armor and make it a special tank?   If they remove it, how about giving me my credits back?  I have the 263, the whole change is a net loss if you have it.

_Gungrave_ #35 Posted Jan 13 2018 - 15:10

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View PostOmega_Weapon, on Jan 12 2018 - 04:10, said:

The SU-122-54 might not fit into the "theme" of that TD line well, but it should not simply be deleted from the game. It has its merits and those who own one should not have it suddenly stolen away for no good reason. Please turn it into a tier 8 premium. As mentioned above, it does not need OP frontal armour if you give it really good DPM to compensate. It would work nicely as a big brother to the tier 7 SU-122-44.

 

The only "merits" that tank has is when you've finally finished it and sold it.

Edited by _Gungrave_, Jan 13 2018 - 15:11.


mworthy #36 Posted Jan 13 2018 - 18:24

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View Post_Gungrave_, on Jan 13 2018 - 09:10, said:

 

The only "merits" that tank has is when you've finally finished it and sold it.

 

its merits are great pen, damage, and accuracy, mobility is not the best but its nice. ITS NOT A BAD TANK, 

it plays like every other TD



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View Post_Gungrave_, on Jan 13 2018 - 14:10, said:

 

The only "merits" that tank has is when you've finally finished it and sold it.

 

it's got some of the best if not THE BEST camo value for tier 9 TD. It's an exceptionally sneaky tank.

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View Postmworthy, on Jan 13 2018 - 18:24, said:

 

its merits are great pen, damage, and accuracy, mobility is not the best but its nice. ITS NOT A BAD TANK, 

it plays like every other TD

 

• Penetration is about average because its more or less tier 8 TD pen. This works for a lot of tanks but if you come across anything resembling an armored target or a superheavy when they're hull down or at ranges further than 250m well the accuracy isn't good enough to reliably hit weakpoints.

• Damage for this thing well it hardly ever high rolls and its RoF means that a lot of tanks will shoot for twice the damage you can dish out.

• Accuracy on paper its supposedly good but I've had it miss so many unbelievable shots that I just don't trust that accuracy value.

• Mobility is lackluster because it turns like crap and while its got a good top speed it takes ages for it to get there. This is very ironic considering this thing is using what is essentially a T54 hull and engine.

• Armor is nonexistent I mean this thing back in the day it probably had decent armor before they added so many big guns, autoloaders, derp cannons and the new MM which more or less promotes the use of gold shells. The ONLY time I ever bounce shells is potentially from 75mm guns aiming up at me or they magically hit the gun mantlet.

 

 

I'm doing fairly well with the SU-122-54 but it's the worst tier 9 TD I've ever played. Mind you I've played them all except for the tier 9 Chinese one as thats the last TD I have left in the game to finish.

 

 

View PostDeadArashi, on Jan 13 2018 - 19:29, said:

 

it's got some of the best if not THE BEST camo value for tier 9 TD. It's an exceptionally sneaky tank.

 

its far from the best...


Edited by _Gungrave_, Jan 14 2018 - 00:26.


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They will make the SU-122-54 into a purchasable premium. In the last 6 months they just gave a slew of folks special tier 10's in the form of the FV215b, the FV215 (183), the AMX 50 Foch (155). Add to that the debacle of the Rampage mode and the T-22 Medium. I just don't see WG in the mood to hand out more essentially free high tier tanks when they can nerf them a bit, turn them into Tier 8 Prems, declare a limited time offer with a so-called "discount" and then recycle that offer every 4-6 months. Cha-Ching. Its a business. They are in it to make money.

Edited by hazmatman, Jan 14 2018 - 00:15.


ArcticTankHunter #40 Posted Jan 14 2018 - 00:19

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They should up the tier and buff it. Since it was a real tank. Soviet line needs a weak armored TD so SU 122-54 is going to be like Grille.




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