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The MYTH of more skilled players at higher tiers on the NA server


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Elusive89 #21 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 01:23

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It's a complete sham, see. What people fail to understand is that after playing the game for a while, we actually get worse and worse at it. As we progress in tier, we just get worse at the game. Proof positive.

Woebegoneslug #22 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 01:38

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More skilled players at tier 10 is a total myth and total BS. 

 

Most tier 10 random games are no different than a tier 2.   People who don't know the maps or the basics.   

 

They buy their tanks and think that because they have a big tank they will get a big score. 

 

it's a sham,  and tough on the real tier 10 players. 


Edited by Woebegoneslug, Jan 12 2018 - 01:39.


Rocketmandb #23 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 02:04

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I would like to summarize this thread:

 

- OP likely got butthurt by someone blasting him for playing primarily tier 5 (relatively low tier)

- Butthurt, OP posts that it is just as difficult to play at lower tiers, as the skill level is the same.

- Even more butthurt, he challenges anyone to post proof that there are more higher skilled players at higher tiers.

- Neato posts proof.

- OP disappears.

 

Did I get that right?

 

EDIT: Neato, did you manually do that, or did you have something that recorded it?


Edited by Rocketmandb, Jan 12 2018 - 02:05.


docroberts #24 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 02:08

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The last few months My own numbers have dropped critically since tier 8 has taken a very frustrating dive and I refuse to pay for the cost at tier 10 anymore , or have played for a very long time . I cant even get a good game that hasn't turned into a total slaughter . WG in my opinion has ruined it to play . and every team almost has been a rollover with the whole team being able to have a couple guys making 2 to 5 kills and breaking 1k worth of damage depending on team . Skilled , I haven't seen it in the skillset of the teams and most off how many games one team has played compared to the other . 

Edited by docroberts, Jan 12 2018 - 02:53.


EmperorJuliusCaesar #25 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 02:15

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If you run XVM, you would know there are far more reds in the low and mid tiers than at top tier.  Sure, there are too many reds at top tier, but no where near the amount as there are at the low and mid tiers, that's why people with high battle counts at the low-mid tiers aren't taken as seriously because they aren't facing the same level of competition.  Same with looking at stats, oh, this guy is blue on xvm, looks great until you see how many of his games are at tier 5 where he's seal clubbing to pad his stats.  Tier matters.

pepe_trueno #26 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 02:23

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View PostTeaTimeWithKongou, on Jan 11 2018 - 23:57, said:

Yes I'd say higher tiers are more skilled even if that is a negligible improvement on average. But I can easily say it's easy to seal club at low tiers than high tiers.

 

to be fair that has more to do with tanks balance than anything else, lower tiers have absurdly high firepower for their hitpoints, they olso have lower view range, higher camo and for the most part are smaller too so anyone skilled enought to abuse view range can wreck and entire team

 

all in all the biggest diference between lower and higher tiers is that its easier to make up for bad teams.

 

 


Edited by pepe_trueno, Jan 12 2018 - 02:26.


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report troll thread and move on. 

Trauglodyte #28 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 02:53

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The sad part is that there are a lot of people at higher tier that have no business being there.  I could include myself in that on some of my tanks.  But, I had a tier 10 game the other night on West Field where I was obviously bottom tier in my Panther 88 - MM is fair and balanced!  Anyway, the game ended in under 3 minutes and 7 members of the team did 0 damage.  All three tier 10s did 0 which, and this is the kicker, were all in the same platoon.  With them, 3 tier 9s did 0 damage and then the rest was tier 8s.  We had 2 people do over 1k damage, which barely included me.  You can't make crap like that up.  Now, I know that bad games happen.  I've seen big streamers put up goose eggs before.  It happens.  But, 6 of 7 players at top tiers doing nothing is just stupid.

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As I have improved, my game play IN my tier 10s has improved.

 

1st tier 10: Leopard 1 - win%- 39.56%

penultimate tier 10*: M48A5 Patton - win%- 56.52%

 

*I just got the IS-4 and have a 75% win rate but only 8 matches, so it doesn't count.

 

As you go along, you get better, or you get frustrated and leave.

 

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Trauglodyte #30 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 04:34

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View PostBeornotns, on Jan 12 2018 - 03:02, said:

As I have improved, my game play IN my tier 10s has improved.

 

1st tier 10: Leopard 1 - win%- 39.56%

penultimate tier 10*: M48A5 Patton - win%- 56.52%

 

*I just got the IS-4 and have a 75% win rate but only 8 matches, so it doesn't count.

 

As you go along, you get better, or you get frustrated and leave.

 

~B

 

I couldn't let that Leo 1 win % go.  A goal that I'm working on is going back and "fixing" all of my ghetto tanks.  It is a hassle but I'm getting them all to 50%.

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View PostRocketmandb, on Jan 12 2018 - 01:04, said:

I would like to summarize this thread:

 

- OP likely got butthurt by someone blasting him for playing primarily tier 5 (relatively low tier)

- Butthurt, OP posts that it is just as difficult to play at lower tiers, as the skill level is the same.

- Even more butthurt, he challenges anyone to post proof that there are more higher skilled players at higher tiers.

- Neato posts proof.

- OP disappears.

 

Did I get that right?

 

EDIT: Neato, did you manually do that, or did you have something that recorded it?

 

 

Furthermore.  Want personal proof?  Everyone here peruse your tier 5 stats, and your tier 10 stats. 

 

Shocking isn't it?  

 

The few who do as well at 10 as they do at 5 are the exception.

 

The rest of us can easily see the truth through our own stats and experience.



o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7o7 #32 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 09:36

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View PostUrabouttudie, on Jan 11 2018 - 23:53, said:

I've posed this question several times in various threads where posters have stated that a lack of high-tier play is indicative of a poorly skilled player. I never get an answer.

 

Can anyone show me ANY statistical proof that there are more skilled players at the higher tiers than are found at lower tiers on the NA server?

 

Can anyone show me ANY statistical proof indicating increased difficulty levels at higher tiers?

 

The presumption here being that there are more better-skilled players to be found at the top tiers and so game play is therefore harder at these tiers than at the lower tiers.

 

Bonus Question: Can anyone define "difficulty level" in the context of WoT? Ie; what specific mechanics establish these "difficulty levels"

 

 

let me explain it to you.

 

there are 90% utter idiots on every team at every tier.

 

however in the higher tiers you have higher chance of seeing the remaining 10% of the players than in lower tiers. thats all. 

 

 



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View PostRocketmandb, on Jan 11 2018 - 20:04, said:

EDIT: Neato, did you manually do that, or did you have something that recorded it?

Manually, into an MS Access data base.  Would be great if I could get it automated.



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View PostNeatoMan, on Jan 11 2018 - 18:03, said:

A while ago I kept track of overall player win rates in my battles.  This is what I got after tracking over 1000 battles:  It's the average number of players per color category per battle.

 

 

if you think that's not a big enough sample size, that's over 30000 random players sampled.  Here is how it stacks up against the server.  That blip at 53% is me, the blip at 0% are new players without enough battles to register on XVM.  The whitish overlay curve is the server win rate distribution. 

 

This is fantastic.  The third highest concentration of purples is tier 3 seal clubbers.

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View PostUrabouttudie, on Jan 11 2018 - 13:53, said:

I've posed this question several times in various threads where posters have stated that a lack of high-tier play is indicative of a poorly skilled player. I never get an answer.

 

Can anyone show me ANY statistical proof that there are more skilled players at the higher tiers than are found at lower tiers on the NA server?

 

Can anyone show me ANY statistical proof indicating increased difficulty levels at higher tiers?

 

The presumption here being that there are more better-skilled players to be found at the top tiers and so game play is therefore harder at these tiers than at the lower tiers.

 

Bonus Question: Can anyone define "difficulty level" in the context of WoT? Ie; what specific mechanics establish these "difficulty levels"

 

 

When the game first came out of beta, higher tiers had better players. They tended to hit the mark first.  After about 6 months in that changed as the first group of lower skilled players got into place by attrition.   It has been getting worse as time progresses.  Film at 11 news 9.

 



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I've seen the phrase "failing up to tier X," but how does anyone go through the 700-800,000 XP grind to get a tier 10 tank and not learn something along the way?

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View PostOldFrog75, on Jan 12 2018 - 08:28, said:

I've seen the phrase "failing up to tier X," but how does anyone go through the 700-800,000 XP grind to get a tier 10 tank and not learn something along the way?

 

2 minutes at a time......

Urabouttudie #39 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 15:02

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View PostNeatoMan, on Jan 11 2018 - 15:41, said:

 

He must have me on ignore

 

you must really think highly of yourself Neato...

 

No, I just do not put ANY stock whatsoever into your version of statisitcs...I can make spreadsheets too

 

So...it seems there are a lot of posters here who firmly believe in this MYTH of better game play at higher tiers...

 

...But no proofs? Nobody?? Any OFFICIAL statistics showing that the amount of better-skilled players increases at top tiers on the NA server?

 

But you are all convinced it is the case eh?

 

...sounds like a familiar argument...

 

still waiting...



ThePigSheFlies #40 Posted Jan 12 2018 - 15:30

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you keep using that word, "myth" - I don't think it means what you think it means...

 

you're also demanding others do your homework for you.  that's not how things work.  that being said, I'm happy to tell you how to do the research.

 

  1. head over to your favorite stat congregating website, such as wotlabs, noobmeter, wotzcilla, or wot-news.com 
  2. find their aggregation by your favorite server
  3. determine what statistic you feel equates to "skill"
    • win rate, wn8, dpg, personal rating or even that site's own rating - or what ever that each site might track
  4. sort by best to worst, then look at "average tier"

 

my hypothesis from having done some looking is that you will find a preponderance of the "high skilled" players having an average tier substantially over tier 5...

 

 

how about you prove me, and others wrong with statistically backed evidence, rather than jumping to your own false conclusion that it's a 'myth'






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