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IS-7 needs gun pen buff or Type 5 HVY Armor reduce.

IS-7 Penetration Type 5 Heavy

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M0nkE #21 Posted Mar 14 2018 - 04:25

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View PostTheCuro, on Mar 13 2018 - 15:34, said:

As for the Type's armor its gimped by its layout, if a type angles his front he exposes his shoulders, this is in direct contrast to the E100 and MAUS which can angle without exposing such a large flat section of armor. But the E100 still suffers from a rather soft LFP and with the proposed HP buff to the FailLowe your looking at it being powercreeped even more. No the Type 5s armor is strong yes, but like the E100 it sees full HEAT/APCR spam against it, with the current state of the game/pen values it needs armour values that can combat the opponents it faces.

 

That's why the tank needs to be removed. You can't balance something that has nothing but flat armor if it needs to bounce anything. All you can do is arbitrarily decide what does and doesn't pen. It's a completely skill-free tank, and pretty much always will be, no matter what they do to it.

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Honestly I don't get why they added "derps" to Heavy tanks which make other heavy tanks Armor and Sidescraping WORTHLESS.

Add to that the super armor with basically no weakspots which some tanks can't even pen their SIDES (Turret and Body) unless you use Gold.

Just stupid Wargaming is.

 

One of many stupid things Wargaming has done to this game.



GradorGamer #23 Posted Aug 12 2018 - 22:04

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View PostDeathRoams, on Jan 12 2018 - 01:41, said:

Hello, i would like to bring to your attention that the is-7 has been left behind with all the new penetration and armor systems that have been implemented. Reason i say this because if you look at some of the newer nations heavy tanks, such as the Type 5 HVY where it has between 270-600 MM of effective armor depending angle(this is from the front). I have compared the IS-4 and IS-7 guns and there is something every wrong with this picture. Why is it that a gun that is 8 MM more has less pen than that of a gun with a lower MM.The standard ammo cant even pen some of the medians that have less armor and less sloping(252MM of pen is not enough should be like 280). The gold ammo for IS-7 doesn't even have enough pen to get through its rival in the back or side. 

 

I agree with you man, I have a Maus, and he has a pen worse than IS-7, but if I have my Maus and find an IS-7 I can still face it, but a Type 5 is practically impossible for me and my Maus. In my opinion Type 5 needs a nerf as fast as possible

Frostblitz20 #24 Posted Aug 12 2018 - 23:29

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View PostDeathRoams, on Jan 12 2018 - 01:41, said:

Hello, i would like to bring to your attention that the is-7 has been left behind with all the new penetration and armor systems that have been implemented. Reason i say this because if you look at some of the newer nations heavy tanks, such as the Type 5 HVY where it has between 270-600 MM of effective armor depending angle(this is from the front). I have compared the IS-4 and IS-7 guns and there is something every wrong with this picture. Why is it that a gun that is 8 MM more has less pen than that of a gun with a lower MM.The standard ammo cant even pen some of the medians that have less armor and less sloping(252MM of pen is not enough should be like 280). The gold ammo for IS-7 doesn't even have enough pen to get through its rival in the back or side. 

Boohoo try playing one of the more under power tanks like the e100,E5,is4 or the French heavy.... is7 is one of the most used heavies in clan wars and comps which speaks volumes....

 

 



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View PostStrachwitzPzGraf, on Jan 12 2018 - 06:37, said:

I beat a Type 4 Hvy with my BC 12T -- it just took something like 9 penetrations and a hell of a lot of maneuvering -- The tactics used would have worked on the Type 5 as well.

 

I would have been much happier doing that in an IS7....

 

That being said... the gun of the IS-7 seems slightly less effective than the T-10 that preceded it... and that makes no sense to me.

 

http://wotreplays.eu/site/4405372#el_halluf-rc_1140-elc_even_90

 

I did the same thing with my EVEN 90, due to the terrible dpm it took like 2+ min to kill it. 



MCBAIN4EVER #26 Posted Aug 13 2018 - 00:00

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I had no problems fighting Type 5's in my E-75 or IS-4 (E-75 has similar pen to the IS-7 with APCR). Unlucky pen rolls are the issue.

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so after checking on tanks gg the IS7 can pen the Type 5 frontally still just a 38-52% chance on angle 3 yellow spots.. with gold shells it can almost pen anywhere frontally with a 48-67% chance which most of the type 5 is green/very light green... 

 

also 4 other heavys share the same base pen as IS7 and mostly every other heavy only has a range of 4-12 pen more then it on base AP rounds... i seriously dont know what you want do you want to buff it into a god tank... 



simba90 #28 Posted Aug 13 2018 - 03:10

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The IS-7 is one of the most reliable T10 heavies to solo in.

It has an almost complete package of armour / speed / gun handling (excl pen+aimtime)

If you want to make it even stronger, spam apcr. It doesn't need it but it sure helps.

buffing the base pen will make the tank almost too strong.



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View PostCuro__0_0ll, on Mar 13 2018 - 16:34, said:

The only thing the Type 5 needs is its gun reworked, the derp is just stupid at tier 10. E100s shooting straight HE was a meme, and I'd throw some at hull down Is7s to check to them, but the Type 5s HE is viable AF and actually cancerous to play against as it removes the skills of aiming, weakspots and using armor. But at the same time the 14cm AP gun on the Type is inadequate. The IS7's recent HP buff made it a solid tank again after it was power creeped, It requires little to no change.

 

As for the Type's armor its gimped by its layout, if a type angles his front he exposes his shoulders, this is in direct contrast to the E100 and MAUS which can angle without exposing such a large flat section of armor. But the E100 still suffers from a rather soft LFP and with the proposed HP buff to the FailLowe your looking at it being powercreeped even more. No the Type 5s armor is strong yes, but like the E100 it sees full HEAT/APCR spam against it, with the current state of the game/pen values it needs armour values that can combat the opponents it faces.

 

This times 1000. Also, what is the point of armor if every tank can penetrate every other tank? 

 

IS7 players cannot honestly think they should have such good armor but be able to penetrate every other tank as well. That would be extremely unfair. 



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Ivan fanboys are always whining about everything.. Nothing new.

GradorGamer #31 Posted Aug 13 2018 - 04:51

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IS-7 needs just 255mm of average penetration




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