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flowerpower210 #21 Posted Jan 15 2018 - 23:43

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View Postgloom13, on Jan 15 2018 - 17:03, said:

 

You don't make any sense at all, you come up with some made up situation that is not real in order to persuade random is-6 owners whom you insult in your post that some unrelated german tank should be buffed/replaced? 

 

Wargaming staff make such decisions NOT is-6 owners. So are you trying to convince war gaming they should do with the german td the same as they have done with the is-6? But wargaming has done nothing with the is-6, you literally made crap up. 

 

Are you alternatively trying to persuade the more numerous is-6 owners to rise up and demand the german td buff /free replacement on your behalf? Then why call these people whose help you want "incapable of empathy... simpletons".

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr. S. F.,

 

 The trigger has been removed in order for you to enjoy this safe zone. Before I get going, may I suggest a thought experiment? I don't mean to put an undue burden on you... 

 

Try substituting "IS-6" with "KanJpz 90". Still don't get it?

 

If you agree the situation would be unfair to IS-6 owners, then you should agree it is unfair to kanonenjagdpanzer owners.



darktemplardelta #22 Posted Jan 15 2018 - 23:47

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View PostGothraul, on Jan 15 2018 - 22:01, said:

This is a can of worms that WG is getting themselves into and making people rebuy something they have already paid for never goes well and giving out or making available through some missions to people who have the older tank will smooth things over much more nicely. The only other solution would be to offer a discount that does not expire and allow the new purchase with gold or dollar giving players choice to have it that way if need be. As for the IS6 and KV5 WG needs to tread carefully as it could piss off a Lot of people on RU and EU which is the last thing they need to do after the whole foch gate episode.

Or they could go the blitz route and give the tank the 105mm as a second choice like what they did with the jagdtiger 8,8.



Mikosah #23 Posted Jan 16 2018 - 00:01

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Think of it this way, the Ferdi, Borsig, and JP2 (plus Skorpion G) all have 128mm guns packing roughly 2620 base DPM with 490 alpha and 246 stock pen. Both the 90mm and 105mm versions of the KJP will struggle to even dream of competing with that. The easiest way to keep the KJP at tier 8 and still have a relevant niche is to circumvent firepower altogether. Perhaps instead give it excellent view range and let it serve as a turret-less scout. Or just drop it to tier 7 and let it keep the current credit earning multipliers. 

 

Or if they do insist on having it compete with the other tier 8 TDs for the conventional role, it may be more justified to stick with the 90mm and give it outstanding DPM than trying to make the 105mm work. Even if the 105mm does have good performance, it still has to compete with something like the Charioteer, which has a fully rotating turret and 10 degrees of depression. WG's work is cut out for them no matter which way they approach this.



Apache1990 #24 Posted Jan 16 2018 - 00:28

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View PostCynicalDutchie, on Jan 15 2018 - 15:15, said:

Honestly, they should just buff the pen on its standard and premium shells instead of giving it a whole new gun.

 

The standard pen can be worked with, but the current premium ammo on the Kanonenjagdpanzer is straight up worse than standard.  Firing HEAT, you gain 12mm of penetration, but lose all your normalization that AP gets, so in most cases HEAT just costs more credits for less effective penetration ability (except in rare moments where you need to shoot through a perfectly flat, straight piece of armor around 240mm thick, which is practically never).

 

For the HEAT to be usable, but not broken, it should probably bump to like 270mm or something (not 330mm, just get those HEAT rounds out of the game outside certain T10s).



read_these_nikes #25 Posted Jan 16 2018 - 01:16

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why dont they just add the gun and let the owner choose

BurglarOfBanff_ff #26 Posted Jan 16 2018 - 01:32

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Why would they do anything but offer the new one for sale and leave the old one as is?

gloom13 #27 Posted Jan 16 2018 - 03:30

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View Postflowerpower210, on Jan 15 2018 - 23:43, said:

 

Dear Mr. S. F.,

 

 The trigger has been removed in order for you to enjoy this safe zone. Before I get going, may I suggest a thought experiment? I don't mean to put an undue burden on you... 

 

Try substituting "IS-6" with "KanJpz 90". Still don't get it?

 

If you agree the situation would be unfair to IS-6 owners, then you should agree it is unfair to kanonenjagdpanzer owners.

 

There is no situation with the is-6. There is no situation with KanJpz 90 either.  YOU MADE CRAP UP in your mind.

Its not unfair to anyone cause it doesn't exist.

 

What did happen is not unfair either, you bought a tank, with known stats and performance. Now you are not happy with it. For some reason instead of writing the usual buff my tank post you decided to just come up with a fairy tale. I think you might be the one looking for a safe space, in your own fantasy.

 

And again if you want results you are trying to convince the wrong people on the wrong forum, if you want results try http://forum.worldof...ck-suggestions/ or better yet the russian forums as devs read them. You do want something real to happen right? Not just whining to people who cant help you? 

 

P.S. that german td is terrible and always has been. Its in desperate need of being buffed.

 

 

 



Hellsfog #28 Posted Jan 16 2018 - 05:14

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View Postflowerpower210, on Jan 15 2018 - 17:43, said:

 

Dear Mr. S. F.,

 

 The trigger has been removed in order for you to enjoy this safe zone. Before I get going, may I suggest a thought experiment? I don't mean to put an undue burden on you... 

 

Try substituting "IS-6" with "KanJpz 90". Still don't get it?

 

If you agree the situation would be unfair to IS-6 owners, then you should agree it is unfair to kanonenjagdpanzer owners.

 

Yeah, we get it. Still whiny. 

Dig_Baddy #29 Posted Jan 16 2018 - 08:10

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View Post_Katyusha___, on Jan 16 2018 - 06:32, said:

I own an IS-6 and can fight tier X being only average player, the problem is more the competence of the team than the tank itself.

 

So how much APCR do you pack?

oldewolfe #30 Posted Jan 16 2018 - 11:52

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I still would like to get this Tank, but since I never see it on Sale I guess that won't happen anytime Soon....

 

Why don't they just make it 1 TD, 2 Gun Choices, and Adjust the HP for the Extra Load of the 105mm....????        Since they're the same Tank after all in every other Aspect....     I mean besides the obvious of Double Dipping peoples Credit Cards....



Zuikakoo #31 Posted Jan 16 2018 - 12:27

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Oh goodie just what we always wanted another German premium TD.   That will bring them up to 9?  I think.   What is WG thinking?   Are they trying to raise money to buy back all those stupid Obj 252U's and Defenders they never should have sold?

b1ackjack #32 Posted Jan 16 2018 - 12:43

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View PostMikosah, on Jan 15 2018 - 18:01, said:

Even if the 105mm does have good performance, it still has to compete with something like the Charioteer, which has a fully rotating turret and 10 degrees of depression. WG's work is cut out for them no matter which way they approach this.

Since when did the Charioteer have that much depression? Lol.



Bogart1943 #33 Posted Jan 16 2018 - 13:08

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Cut and paste and be done with it.  This is NOT a historical game.  WG does not need to play King Solomon.

 

See "Judgement of Solomon" if you have no clue of what I'm talking about.



stubmw #34 Posted Jan 16 2018 - 13:56

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Like I always say it's a great tank to drive, needs huge help in the gun department. I definitely don't think I got my moneys worth with the 90.  Perhaps if they go with a new 105 tank a good compromise would be bump the 90 down to T7 and bring 105 out as T8. Giving present owners of the 90 choices would be a good thing.  

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View Postb1ackjack, on Jan 16 2018 - 12:43, said:

Since when did the Charioteer have that much depression? Lol.

I believe it was buffed when the badger was introduced.



Verblonde #36 Posted Jan 16 2018 - 15:07

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I still don't get why WG don't just buff the existing Kanone, and bung it back out on sale; I know it's the same gun as on the RU251, but that sort of thing never stopped them before (don't the E25 and Cosplay Panther both have the same weapon, and rather different stats?)...

That way, they get lots of lovely money for not much work, and avoid pi$$ing off everyone who already bought the thing to boot.

lightball20 #37 Posted Jan 16 2018 - 17:41

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WG is intending to buff the Kanone and simply replace the current model with the new 105.

http://forum.worldof...9#entry14619619

 

The reason for there being a second one in the game files is likely for test purposes, they add the new version as a separate vehicle so that if it turns out that the 105 option doesn't actually improve it but infact makes it worse they don't have to spend time reverting it to the original because the original still exists. And untill all testing on it is final and its decided to add to the live game it will probably stay as 2 separate vehicles in the files.

 

Also point B of: "It has different HP values so that proves it probably means its a different vehicle rather than giving you a choice of guns" They have no plans any time soon to implement being able to mount different guns on premium tanks. They come fully upgraded in one set of tech tree pieces without options ot change anything. Because thats how Premiums have always worked.



CardboardJedi #38 Posted May 23 2018 - 03:31

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Anyone know if the KanJPz is going to make an appearance on the NA? I actually saw one on Frontline last week, but forgot to message the guy to see how he got it

_Gungrave_ #39 Posted May 23 2018 - 03:54

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View PostCardboardJedi, on May 23 2018 - 03:31, said:

Anyone know if the KanJPz is going to make an appearance on the NA? I actually saw one on Frontline last week, but forgot to message the guy to see how he got it

 

Are you referring to the 105mm or the 90mm version? If you're talking about the current 90mm version they hardly ever sell that tank because its so abysmally bad. As for the 105mm version they still haven't released that version though I'm not really sure why as it seems fairly balanced.

Edited by _Gungrave_, May 23 2018 - 03:54.


CardboardJedi #40 Posted May 23 2018 - 03:57

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Either actually. I've seen a few viddys from the contributors and the 90mm seemed ok enough. I'd not mind the 105 either it just seems like it just can't seem to cross the Atlantic from the Euro Server





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