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BaronVonPwnage #1 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 06:35

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Game is a TOTAL joke. Been tracking my matchmaking for some time now. TOTALLY beyond the pale. yesterday had 54% of my games bottom tier, today 48%. Tier 8 is the worst, at least 50% of games are bottom tier, most times around 70%. Wargaming is cheating ALL of us. Stop giving them money and demand they fix it.

 

Here are my numbers: LOOK HOW BAD TIER 8 IS.

 

Complaints to Wargaming yield cut and paste responses mostly dealing with in-game strategy which has nothing to do with tiers prior to the game. Wargaming KNOWS this is a problem but does not fix it. DONT GIVE THEM MONEY.

 

5-Jan-18          
Tier Top Middle Bottom % bottom  
3 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
4 0 0 0    
5     2 100.00%  
6     1 100.00%  
7 2 3 2 28.57%  
8 1 4 9 64.29%  
9 12 20 7 17.95%  
10       #DIV/0!  
          % top
Totals 15 27 21 33.33% 23.81%
           
6-Jan-18          
Tier Top Middle Bottom % bottom  
3 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
4 0 0 0    
5   1   0.00%  
6       #DIV/0!  
7 1 2 1 25.00%  
8     1 100.00%  
9 7 19 4 13.33%  
10       #DIV/0!  
          % top
Totals 8 22 6 16.67% 22.22%
           
7-Jan-18          
Tier Top Middle Bottom % bottom  
3 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
4 0 0 0    
5 1     0.00%  
6       #DIV/0!  
7 1 1 3 60.00%  
8 1   1 50.00%  
9 11 15 4 13.33%  
10       #DIV/0!  
          % top
Totals 14 16 8 21.05% 36.84%
           
8-Jan-18          
Tier Top Middle Bottom % bottom  
3 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
4 0 0 0    
5     1 100.00%  
6     3 100.00%  
7 4 0 1 20.00%  
8 5 3 10 55.56%  
9 6 17 8 25.81%  
10       #DIV/0!  
          % top
Totals 15 20 23 39.66% 25.86%
           
9-Jan-18          
Tier Top Middle Bottom % bottom  
3 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
4 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
5 3     0.00%  
6       #DIV/0!  
7       #DIV/0!  
8 3   3 50.00%  
9 10 20 8 21.05%  
10 2     0.00%  
          % top
Totals 18 20 11 22.45% 36.73%
           
10-Jan-18          
Tier Top Middle Bottom % bottom  
3 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
4 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
5     1 100.00%  
6       #DIV/0!  
7       #DIV/0!  
8 1   5 83.33%  
9 3 10 7 35.00%  
10       #DIV/0!  
          % top
Totals 4 10 13 48.15% 14.81%
           
11-Jan-18          
Tier Top Middle Bottom % bottom  
3 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
4 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
5 1 1   0.00%  
6       #DIV/0!  
7 1 1 2 50.00%  
8 1 1 19 90.48%  
9 8 21 7 19.44%  
10       #DIV/0!  
          % top
Totals 11 24 28 44.44% 17.46%
           
13-Jan-18          
Tier Top Middle Bottom % bottom  
3 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
4 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
5   1   0.00%  
6       #DIV/0!  
7       #DIV/0!  
8     2 100.00%  
9 4 8 4 25.00%  
10       #DIV/0!  
          % top
Totals 4 9 6 31.58% 21.05%
           
14-Jan-18          
Tier Top Middle Bottom % bottom  
3 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
4 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
5     1 100.00%  
6       #DIV/0!  
7   3 1 25.00%  
8 3 2 13 72.22%  
9 16 28 16 26.67%  
10       #DIV/0!  
          % top
Totals 19 33 31 37.35% 22.89%
           
16-Jan-18          
Tier Top Middle Bottom % bottom  
3 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
4 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
5 1 2 8 72.73%  
6 7 8 23 60.53%  
7 3 1 3 42.86%  
8 2 3 15 75.00%  
9 8 16 10 29.41%  
10 1     0.00%  
          % top
Totals 22 30 59 53.15% 19.82%
           
16-Jan-18          
Tier Top Middle Bottom % bottom  
3 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
4 0 0 0 #DIV/0!  
5     1 100.00%  
6       #DIV/0!  
7       #DIV/0!  
8 3 1 13 76.47%  
9 5 13 6 25.00%  
10       #DIV/0!  
          % top
Totals 8 14 20 47.62% 19.05%


RustySqueak #2 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 07:44

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Some fanboiz poster will come along and say your sample size is too small (I counted 579), that you will need 100,000 games.  I'm keeping a log as well, and you are doing better than me (In the current state of affairs I mostly play a tier 7 T29 because of the thoroughly rotten tier 8 MM).

VooDooKobra #3 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 07:56

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one thread not enough?

ImaKillYou #4 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 09:30

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Yay! More waa waa MM is broke cuz I'm not top tier all the time posts!

BaronVonPwnage #5 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 09:55

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Not asking for top tier every game, but being bottom tier in 90 percent of my games in tier 8 is a BIT much. Also, multiple threads because Wargaming takes them down because they don't want people to know how bad the problem is.

n00bfarmer #6 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 10:18

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They should get rid of the 3/5/7 template and replace it with something different. Not enough top tier slots means most of the time you are placed in bottom and mid tier. Change it to a 5/5/5 and that would give more top tier slots available to fill up. Plus it spreads the load of carrying a battle over more players instead of having to rely on just three.

ThatoneguyKaz #7 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 10:20

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View Postn00bfarmer, on Jan 18 2018 - 10:18, said:

They should get rid of the 3/5/7 template and replace it with something different. Not enough top tier slots means most of the time you are placed in bottom and mid tier. Change it to a 5/5/5 and that would give more top tier slots available to fill up. Plus it spreads the load of carrying a battle over more players instead of having to rely on just three.

I disagree and agree at the same time. 

 

Imo matchmaker should prioritize making 5/10 or solid tier matches (all 8s for example), and filter remnants into 3/5/7. 

 

I feel doing it this way would alleviate alot of the issue we have. 3/5/7 isnt terrible but its non optimal for sure



NeckRomancer #8 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 10:28

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One thing in this game is that people know what to do , to a point when, top tier. But, many i think struggle to find their place in a battle when bottom tier.

shiil #9 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 11:36

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Is it only me seeing this or a lot of comments in this thread was removed? including 3 of mine.

ThatoneguyKaz #10 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 11:51

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View Postshiil, on Jan 18 2018 - 11:36, said:

Is it only me seeing this or a lot of comments in this thread was removed? including 3 of mine.

 

the origional thread was removed, and so he remade it

oldewolfe #11 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 11:56

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Yes, MM is Screwed Up....     No, it's not going to get any Better any time soon....       Just do like I do and make the Best of it, Drive what you do Good In and Park what you don't for now...

 

I play Tier 8 pretty much as a Default, occasionally I break out my 9's and 10's, sometimes I go Slumming in my 7's and Below....      But 8 is my Home and I Defend my Home with all my Good Tanks, those I feel Comfortable Parking in front of a JPZ and telling him to Kiss Off.....         Do that and MM becomes less the Issue than Teams that can't Rub 2 Brain Cells together amongst them to form a Coherent Thought.....

 

That's why my Lorraine 40T stays Parked despite Reasonable numbers in it....     It's a Good Tank, I do Well but nothing Special, I have Fun in it, but it depends on too many Outside Factors I don't, feel Comfortable putting it in....     And why Ruin a Fun Tank and turn it into another Grind....



_El_Barto_Simpsons_ #12 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 12:07

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tier 5/6/7/8 is dead in this MM! 9/10 games you are in the low-end. 

and in the X tier the overall player skil LVL is soo low. wee need a new Radom MM and a Skil Rank MM!!! 

_Tsavo_ #13 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 12:15

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WarGaming has it backwards: 3/5/7, while an improvement over MM of old, should be the LAST option for a match.  Single tier should be the preferred route, followed by the 5/10 match-up.

 

As it is, the popular tiers are currently shafted.  Want to platoon?  Well, enjoy every game bottom tier!

 

Oh, your top tier tanks are potatoes?  Welp, that sucks, enjoy the bottom tier carry!

 

 

 

 

3/5/7 is an improvement, but shouldn't be the ideal MM first choice.



josevladimir #14 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 12:18

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Is easy guys , just statistics and probability , 3-5-7 means 20 % top tier , 33 % middle and 47 % bottom .

CDN_Peacekeeper #15 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 12:22

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View Postjosevladimir, on Jan 18 2018 - 12:18, said:

Is easy guys , just statistics and probability , 3-5-7 means 20 % top tier , 33 % middle and 47 % bottom .

 

Problem is.... bottom tier is at 90%.

 

I don't even play tier 8 anymore, absolutely no point unless I'm playing a pref.



_Tsavo_ #16 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 12:26

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View Postjosevladimir, on Jan 18 2018 - 06:18, said:

Is easy guys , just statistics and probability , 3-5-7 means 20 % top tier , 33 % middle and 47 % bottom .

 

Even under ideal conditions, that's the best case ratio.  In reality, it's much worse.

LpBronco #17 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 12:30

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Anyone who argues for the 3/5/7 template has forgotten the range of games we use to get and arguing for any "preferred" template limits the diversity of games possible. 

 

I can still remember when Wargaming was hosting the dev panels in NA how vehemently the one dev was advocating for continuing random MM and now I understand why. No template is good as it limits choice and the ability for MM to track and control the tier dispersion. Yes, allowing for one and two tier games would have been the only change necessary from the older version and wouldn't have killed the middle tiers as effectively as this POS.

 

p.s. I usually appreciate Tsavo's input but this time he just has it wrong.


Edited by LpBronco, Jan 18 2018 - 12:31.


OldFrog75 #18 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 13:24

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It looks like grinding from Tier VIII to Tier X can be difficult.

ThatoneguyKaz #19 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 13:33

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View PostOldFrog75, on Jan 18 2018 - 13:24, said:

It looks like grinding from Tier VIII to Tier X can be difficult.

 

At worst you face 3 tier 10 tanks. Its not as bad as people make it sound. 

 

Sure youll see alot of games with tier 10s. But tier 8s used to have it worse imo. 

 

Dont be scared.



sansjoy #20 Posted Jan 18 2018 - 13:46

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OP, or any other complainers.  Answer this question:

 

Have you fought in any battles - any at all - that the MM put bottom tier at less than 7 tanks, or middle tier at less than 5 tanks?

 

The answer is emphatically NO.  MM's design is not to put you in X number of battles as bottom / middle / top tier.  It is designed to make the distribution 7/5/3.  A lot of people play tier 8, it is a known variable.  To keep queue times to a minimum, tier 8s are put into battles where their numbers will be the highest, which unfortunately is as bottom tier.

 

It is not broken, it is doing exactly what it was designed to do.

 

Please stop complaining







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