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Whitebuster #1 Posted Jan 27 2018 - 07:31

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With the recent addition of stun time by arty, every slow-moving heavy tank on the map will spend a long time being stunned and have their capabilities decreased. This also frequently results in injured crew members, which adds even more handicap.

The super heavy spall liner provides +50%  protection from Ramming and Explosions, +50 Crew Protection, and -10% Stun Duration. 

This can be very beneficial when under fire by arty or Jap heavies, but is it worth swapping out a vstab or vent for the added protection? Even though vent can increase crew performance by 5%, it is insignificant compared to the penalty of being stunned. However, the player can be lucky/well covered and not received much shelling from arty.

 

Please share your opinions and thoughts. 



Duqe #2 Posted Jan 27 2018 - 07:35

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50% reduction from non-penetrating artillery hits or ramming damage, and like a flat 10% reduction to stun duration nowadays too, isn't there?

Whitebuster #3 Posted Jan 27 2018 - 07:39

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View PostDuqe, on Jan 27 2018 - 07:35, said:

50% reduction from non-penetrating artillery hits or ramming damage, and like a flat 10% reduction to stun duration nowadays too, isn't there?

 

"The super heavy spall liner provides +50%  protection from Ramming and Explosions, +50 Crew Protection, and -10% Stun Duration. "



docroberts #4 Posted Jan 27 2018 - 07:43

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Yes ,, I use them on all of mine and it helped . Cant seem to help with ammo racks 1 to 3 times a game however . But they do help . 

dominator_98 #5 Posted Jan 27 2018 - 08:27

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Taking less damage from every HE shell that hits you leads to surviving 1-2 extra pens. That's gonna let you stick around and influence the game more than the micro boost vents give. I run a superheavy spall liner in my Maus and it seems to do me well.

Tedster_ #6 Posted Jan 27 2018 - 08:33

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I find superheavy spall liner to be very useful on my Maus and Type 5, the flat boost to armor thickness (and corresponding increase in the damage reduction from armor vs HE) makes it proportionally larger decrease now that arty alpha is reduced, which also reduces the stun time as well as the 10% reduction built into the spall liner.

madgiecool #7 Posted Jan 27 2018 - 10:01

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Don't forget the super hvy adds 1500Kg to the tank.

 

Really nice when ramming with a KV5

 

mass*acceleration = more damage

 

 



Zuikakoo #8 Posted Jan 27 2018 - 11:07

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Its a must have on Chinese Heavies, or else you'll never keep the crew alive.

13Jake55 #9 Posted Jan 27 2018 - 12:02

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I run then on my German Heavies the E75 and E100 and the VK 100.01. Buy them when they have a sell because they are expensive but worth it. I don't even pay attention to arty in those tanks, even if three of them are concentrating on me. lol  When they see they are causing very much damage they tend to move somewhere else.

 



Crimson_Saber #10 Posted Jan 27 2018 - 12:05

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Gotta have at least the rammer, and vstab. Other then that a spall liner helps. Good on T95 as well I heard. 


Edited by Crimson_Saber, Jan 27 2018 - 12:06.


_AlphaAndOmega_ #11 Posted Jan 27 2018 - 13:46

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I’d say it’s a must have on every super heavy and T95. It not only helps a lot with arty damage and splashes but against EVERYTHING slinging HE shells! In other words, helps against those pesky Japanese Type 4 and Type 5 shooting HE! Instead of taking 500-600 dmg from a Type 5, you can now take 300 dmg instead (example numbers). So run VStab, Rammer and Spall liner on your super heavies. 

_Katyusha___ #12 Posted Jan 27 2018 - 14:28

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I use spall liners since ever on every med and heavy tank, and some light tanks. Keeping your crew alive is a must.

Oxboy1212 #13 Posted Jan 27 2018 - 20:47

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View Post_Katyusha___, on Jan 27 2018 - 14:28, said:

I use spall liners since ever on every med and heavy tank, and some light tanks. Keeping your crew alive is a must.

 

On a light?  lmbo...noob

Duqe #14 Posted Jan 27 2018 - 21:00

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View PostOxboy1212, on Jan 27 2018 - 20:47, said:

 

On a light?  lmbo...noob

 

If you have some low-tier fun tanks where things like gun rammers aren't available, it's golden. Or on something like the VK 28.01 where you can just obliterate AMX lights by flattening them even more.

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Tested Superheavy liner  in training room. Maus was test subject bein targeted by Type 5 Heavy and T-92 SPG. Type 5 shot prem HE at the turret cheek while T-92 shot at flat right side of turret. 

1. Maus without Spall Liner

v. Type 5 Heavy - 4 shots averaging 470HP per shot. Crew member killed approx 50% of time.

v. T-92 - 4 shots avg 500HP. 1.5 crew members killed per shot.

2. Mouse with Liner

v. Type 5 Heavy - 4 shots averaging 450HP. No crew members killed.

v. T-92 - 4 shots averaging 500HP. Crew member injury 0.25%.

 

Conclusion.

Damage reduction with use of spall liner = 0%. Crew protection is significant. Stun duration was not measured in this test.

 

 

 

 



tanopasman62 #16 Posted Jan 27 2018 - 21:46

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Considering that arty will be on you whenever it can a SH spall liner is a must in any tank that can mount it.

Rocketmandb #17 Posted Jan 27 2018 - 22:19

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On the slower super heavies I use it in place of the vert stab. Much of your movement is so slow, and the fights at such close range, that I don't think the vert stab means a whole lot. Right now, I have one on my Maus and Type 4/5s. The 100-300 hp you save per arty hit adds up over the course of a battle. The stun reduction should be more than 10%, though.

BlackFive #18 Posted Jan 28 2018 - 00:40

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IIRC it's only good for reducing splash damage... Which is why it doesn't do much against the Type 5.

 

In the arty testing above - I'm guessing that the shots were all point blank and not actually simulated arty fire.  Had the testing been done with arty at range from the maus... The spall liner would have shown itself to be handier 



Mikosah #19 Posted Jan 28 2018 - 01:00

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Tough call. In spite of all the things the spall liner does, you'd be crazy not to have a rammer, stabilizer, and optics. And even with all of the spall liner's protection, there will be many matches where you don't ever get rammed or hit by HE. In matches like those, you just wasted an equipment slot. And even when the spall liner is relevant, you're still going to take damage. The protection is never 100%.

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View PostMikosah, on Jan 28 2018 - 00:00, said:

And even with all of the spall liner's protection, there will be many matches where you don't ever get rammed or hit by HE. In matches like those, you just wasted an equipment slot. 

 

And there are many matches where optics are useless. In fact, I don't put optics on the vast majority of my heavies.




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