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panzer716 #1 Posted Jan 28 2018 - 09:32

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I'll just leave this here. Was pushing a flank in my T57 Heavy and its a good thing that arty was there to balance me with a pen shot doing 922 damage in 1 shot to a heavy tank and killing me because it was promoting dynamic game-play because pushing a flank isn't dynamic enough and I was clearly camping the whole match. GG WG. And cue hate from arty supporters now.

 

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HisNameWasSethRich #2 Posted Jan 28 2018 - 09:34

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stop camping

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Arty was promoting dynamic gameplay. 

DoctorThe19th #4 Posted Jan 28 2018 - 09:54

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I can see the m48 patton's and t-100 lt's name!!! Name shaming!! Wewowewo

_Gungrave_ #5 Posted Jan 28 2018 - 09:58

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More than likely landed on your turret roof or the engine deck.

 

T92 has around 60 pen while the roof and engine deck of the T57 is less than 60mm so he probably got in a miracle pen at a good angle.

 

https://tanks.gg/tan...2-hmc&cl=000001


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panzer716 #6 Posted Jan 28 2018 - 09:59

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View PostDoctorThe19th, on Jan 28 2018 - 03:54, said:

I can see the m48 patton's and t-100 lt's name!!! Name shaming!! Wewowewo

 

I have no idea what you are talking about... :hiding: All I see is promotion of dynamic gameplay.

panzer716 #7 Posted Jan 28 2018 - 10:04

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View Post_Gungrave_, on Jan 28 2018 - 03:58, said:

More than likely landed on your turret roof or the engine deck.

 

T92 has around 60 pen while the roof and engine deck of the T57 is less than 60mm...do the math.

 

And clearly this is fair right? A tank you can't even see can rain 900+ alpha shots from above and destroy your heavy tank while you are pushing flanks. Why even have heavies if arty just negates everything about a heavy like the T57? I'm just glad it is still in the game making people dynamic and promoting less camping. I know I for sure will camp FAR less now that this has happened to me!

 

Edit: Its also important to not in that live model you linked, it shows the HE shell overmatching the armor, but HE shells DON'T overmatch. See this at the bottom of page where is says "characteristics at a glance": http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ammo


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View Postpanzer716, on Jan 28 2018 - 10:04, said:

 

And clearly this is fair right? A tank you can't even see can rain 900+ alpha shots from above and destroy your heavy tank while you are pushing flanks. Why even have heavies if arty just negates everything about a heavy like the T57? I'm just glad it is still in the game making people dynamic and promoting less camping. I know I for sure will camp FAR less now that this has happened to me!

 

I get it you're mad but bad players will continue to play arty and XVM sniping will still happen until WG wakes the hell up and allows us to hide our stats.

 

Just be happy it can't hit for what it used to because that penning shot used to instakill most tanks.


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View Postpanzer716, on Jan 28 2018 - 03:32, said:

I'll just leave this here. Was pushing a flank in my T57 Heavy and its a good thing that arty was there to balance me with a pen shot doing 922 damage in 1 shot to a heavy tank and killing me because it was promoting dynamic game-play because pushing a flank isn't dynamic enough and I was clearly camping the whole match. GG WG. And cue hate from arty supporters now.

 

​No hate here. Just apathy. Its sad that the game working as designed offends your sensibilities. If arty traumatizes you too much, there is an arty free version of this game called Blitz. You could give that a whirl.

panzer716 #10 Posted Jan 28 2018 - 10:12

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View PostOmega_Weapon, on Jan 28 2018 - 04:07, said:

 

​No hate here. Just apathy. Its sad that the game working as designed offends your sensibilities. If arty traumatizes you too much, there is an arty free version of this game called Blitz. You could give that a whirl.

 

The funny thing is that it isn't working as designed. The developers say that arty is supposed to "promote dynamic gameplay" when in reality arty does things like I posted here. It prevents dynamic gameplay. It is doing the exact opposite from what it was "designed" for. Also everyone keep suggesting Blitz and honestly if it were on par with the PC version, I would go to it, but its not so that's like me suggesting you go from a car to commute 40 miles to work to riding a bicycle all the way there instead. Not even a decent suggestion, kind of a ridiculous one.



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View Postpanzer716, on Jan 28 2018 - 01:12, said:

 

The funny thing is that it isn't working as designed. The developers say that arty is supposed to "promote dynamic gameplay" when in reality arty does things like I posted here. It prevents dynamic gameplay. It is doing the exact opposite from what it was "designed" for. Also everyone keep suggesting Blitz and honestly if it were on par with the PC version, I would go to it, but its not so that's like me suggesting you go from a car to commute 40 miles to work to riding a bicycle all the way there instead. Not even a decent suggestion, kind of a ridiculous one.

 

did it ever say it promoted dynamic gameplay to the enemy? :harp:

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View Postpanzer716, on Jan 28 2018 - 04:12, said:

 

The funny thing is that it isn't working as designed. The developers say that arty is supposed to "promote dynamic gameplay" when in reality arty does things like I posted here. It prevents dynamic gameplay. It is doing the exact opposite from what it was "designed" for. Also everyone keep suggesting Blitz and honestly if it were on par with the PC version, I would go to it, but its not so that's like me suggesting you go from a car to commute 40 miles to work to riding a bicycle all the way there instead. Not even a decent suggestion, kind of a ridiculous one.

 

​They don't say it only promotes dynamic gameplay. That is one of its main purposes, but arty is able to react to dynamic threats too. Not well, but it is possible, especially for the experienced arty drivers. Now how often would you say arty destroys you like that with a single hit? Is it really happening so often (especially after the 9.18 nerfs) that you need to get on the forum to complain?

panzer716 #13 Posted Jan 28 2018 - 10:23

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View PostOmega_Weapon, on Jan 28 2018 - 04:18, said:

 

​They don't say it only promotes dynamic gameplay. That is one of its main purposes, but arty is able to react to dynamic threats too. Not well, but it is possible, especially for the experienced arty drivers. Now how often would you say arty destroys you like that with a single hit? Is it really happening so often (especially after the 9.18 nerfs) that you need to get on the forum to complain?

 

Recently I've been destroyed by 500+ damage shots by arty quite a bit in all different tanks, lights, meds, TD's, Heavies. I'll start taking more screenshots like this as it happens. And the dynamic gameplay doesn't just get promoted when you die, it also gets promoted when the 3 arty on the enemy team decide to only fire at you and take 450 dmg, and then 380 dmg, and then 540 damage off you tank within 4 seconds of the first hit when there isn't a darn thing you can do to prevent it..... Except camp and not be dynamic... You see the pattern here?

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View Postpanzer716, on Jan 28 2018 - 01:12, said:

 

The funny thing is that it isn't working as designed. The developers say that arty is supposed to "promote dynamic gameplay" when in reality arty does things like I posted here. It prevents dynamic gameplay. It is doing the exact opposite from what it was "designed" for. Also everyone keep suggesting Blitz and honestly if it were on par with the PC version, I would go to it, but its not so that's like me suggesting you go from a car to commute 40 miles to work to riding a bicycle all the way there instead. Not even a decent suggestion, kind of a ridiculous one.

 

Sometimes you have to make a sacrifice to play the arty free games you require. WoT Blitz is arty free, all the time, right up your alley. 

 

But, according to you, I'm supposed to make the sacrifice to my enjoyment, to make your game play more enjoyable.

 

 

Good luck with that idea... :arta:



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They don't give a rat's posterior if it promotes dynamic gameplay or if it's fair and balanced.  Or how many people complain. Because they are running a business.

 

What they do care about is the amount of black ink in the profit margins of their spreadsheets.  And despite most folks bemoaning arty (as well as RNG, MM, "gold" ammo, so on and so forth) most of 'em are still here playing and often paying.  Unless the latter changes or they fear it may nothing will change, cause why fix something that isn't broken.  And again to clarify, broken meaning from a financial standpoint.

 

 



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View Postpanzer716, on Jan 28 2018 - 04:23, said:

 

Recently I've been destroyed by 500+ damage shots by arty quite a bit in all different tanks, lights, meds, TD's, Heavies. I'll start taking more screenshots like this as it happens. And the dynamic gameplay doesn't just get promoted when you die, it also gets promoted when the 3 arty on the enemy team decide to only fire at you and take 450 dmg, and then 380 dmg, and then 540 damage off you tank within 4 seconds of the first hit when there isn't a darn thing you can do to prevent it..... Except camp and not be dynamic... You see the pattern here?

 

​I see that 3 arty focused only on you would free up the other 14 tanks on you team to be dynamic. Whether or not they take advantage of your sacrifice is up to them.

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Simple question... What tanks generally finish as the top damage producers? What tanks generally finish as the top spotting producers? Yeah they are not arty!

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View PostOmega_Weapon, on Jan 28 2018 - 01:27, said:

 

​I see that 3 arty focused only on you would free up the other 14 tanks on you team to be dynamic. Whether or not they take advantage of your sacrifice is up to them.

 

Someone was spotted out in the open and thought that was being dynamic.

 

 

How I miss the days of one shotting a full health E100/Maus, with an AP round from my T92... :arta:

 

Those were the days... :)



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View Postg4143, on Jan 28 2018 - 04:28, said:

Simple question... What tanks generally finish as the top damage producers? What tanks generally finish as the top spotting producers? Yeah they are not arty!

 

​Arty is actually pretty underpowered after being nerfed over and over again. Yet the fact that it can still do some damage and can still have some impact on most battles still triggers so many... If arty kills someone more often than any other class of tank does, that person is simply playing the game wrong. The fault is not within the arty, but within yourselves. :P

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View PostWhineMaker, on Jan 28 2018 - 04:29, said:

 

Someone was spotted out in the open and thought that was being dynamic.

 

Tell me where you can get spotted on Prokhorovka or Fiery Salient and not be in the open? Malinovka too now that I think about it.

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