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Shaddow_Ghost #1 Posted Feb 06 2018 - 16:18

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Wait, so do we lose silver for having both the Obj 263 and SU 122-54 if we BUY the SU 122-54? Meaning we shouldn't buy the SU 122-54 since we will get the Obj 263 and the Obj 268 v4 from just owning the Obj 263 currently?

Warlion485 #2 Posted Feb 06 2018 - 16:34

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View PostShaddow_Ghost, on Feb 06 2018 - 10:18, said:

Wait, so do we lose silver for having both the Obj 263 and SU 122-54 if we BUY the SU 122-54? Meaning we shouldn't buy the SU 122-54 since we will get the Obj 263 and the Obj 268 v4 from just owning the Obj 263 currently?

 

I have asked the same in post and direct message.....no response.  Players who have both vehicles in their accounts will get hosed on the experience and purchase cost invested in the SU 122-54 under the current plan as published.  Most fail to see the argument.  First they fail to understand that your account has BOTH the Obj 263 and the SU 122-54.  SO....when the Obj 263 moves to its new tree spot as a IX and your acct gets the v4 as the X....yes that is all good...part of the update is complete.  HOWEVER....then you deal with the SU 122-54 that is also in your account.  The plan for the SU 122-54 says you will get the OBJ 263.  Well okay, but it is already in the account & garage.  SO....does the account get "gold" credit for the vehicle already in the garage same as if you sent someone a gift tank that they already have?  OR....when the SU 122-54 goes away are you just out the 434,300 free experience & 4,516,000 "silver" it took to buy and level up the vehicle?  AND...if you were to get gold for already having the Obj 263 in the account does it match what you will loose when the SU 122-54 goes away......some how I doubt it.

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View PostWarlion485, on Feb 06 2018 - 10:34, said:

 

I have asked the same in post and direct message.....no response.  Players who have both vehicles in their accounts will get hosed on the experience and purchase cost invested in the SU 122-54 under the current plan as published.  Most fail to see the argument.  First they fail to understand that your account has BOTH the Obj 263 and the SU 122-54.  SO....when the Obj 263 moves to its new tree spot as a IX and your acct gets the v4 as the X....yes that is all good...part of the update is complete.  HOWEVER....then you deal with the SU 122-54 that is also in your account.  The plan for the SU 122-54 says you will get the OBJ 263.  Well okay, but it is already in the account & garage.  SO....does the account get "gold" credit for the vehicle already in the garage same as if you sent someone a gift tank that they already have?  OR....when the SU 122-54 goes away are you just out the 434,300 free experience & 4,516,000 "silver" it took to buy and level up the vehicle?  AND...if you were to get gold for already having the Obj 263 in the account does it match what you will loose when the SU 122-54 goes away......some how I doubt it.

 

you wont be getting gold for anything. what you'll be getting is an obj 263 in place of your removed su-122-54. thats it, end of story

The last and probably trickiest task was tuning mid-tier vehicles for mid-to-close range assault gameplay. The SU-122-54 didn’t fit into the concept because of its traditional turret placement. We faced a huge dilemma here: it was clearly out of the line in terms of gameplay, but was valuable from a historical point of view. As an interim solution, we moved it down a tier to see if it can be viable there. Unfortunately, it was no good at blocking damage even at Tier VIII and still felt like a huge step away in terms of gameplay, plain and simple. That’s why, we removed the SU-122-54 and made a line fully composed of rear-turret/superstructure vehicles.

straight from WG's news page

 

So yes in short terms you will lose all of your credits if you buy the SU-122-54 if you already own the 263


Edited by DERP_IN_THE_FACE, Feb 06 2018 - 16:48.


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View PostDERP_IN_THE_FACE, on Feb 06 2018 - 10:39, said:

 

you wont be getting gold for anything. what you'll be getting is an obj 263 in place of your removed su-122-54. thats it, end of story

The last and probably trickiest task was tuning mid-tier vehicles for mid-to-close range assault gameplay. The SU-122-54 didn’t fit into the concept because of its traditional turret placement. We faced a huge dilemma here: it was clearly out of the line in terms of gameplay, but was valuable from a historical point of view. As an interim solution, we moved it down a tier to see if it can be viable there. Unfortunately, it was no good at blocking damage even at Tier VIII and still felt like a huge step away in terms of gameplay, plain and simple. That’s why, we removed the SU-122-54 and made a line fully composed of rear-turret/superstructure vehicles.

straight from WG's news page

 

You didn't read the post did you?  I have both already.  So...if you are right....good deal for WOT....I just get hosed for the experience and silver in the SU-122-54.  The Obj 263 ALREADY in the account makes its move and adds the v4.

Edited by Warlion485, Feb 06 2018 - 16:52.


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View PostWarlion485, on Feb 06 2018 - 10:48, said:

 

You did read the post did you?  I have both already.  

 

absolutely but the real question is, did you bother to understand any of that? You are losing your -54 and getting the 263 as a fair trade. the -54 will be removed from your account.

Its really simple



Warlion485 #6 Posted Feb 06 2018 - 16:54

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View PostDERP_IN_THE_FACE, on Feb 06 2018 - 10:52, said:

 

absolutely but the real question is, did you bother to understand any of that? You are losing your -54 and getting the 263 as a fair trade. the -54 will be removed from your account.

Its really simple

 

HEY IDIOT....I have BOTH ALREADY.....can you read?  It is "simple" if you READ what is written instead of going off half baked just to add another post.

Edited by Warlion485, Feb 06 2018 - 16:56.


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View PostDERP_IN_THE_FACE, on Feb 06 2018 - 16:52, said:

 

absolutely but the real question is, did you bother to understand any of that? You are losing your -54 and getting the 263 as a fair trade. the -54 will be removed from your account.

Its really simple

 

Ok IF you already own both the 263 AND the 122-54, as I already do, how is it a 'fair' trade? I am not getting anything, because I already own the 263, and I am losing the SU-122-54.

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View PostDogsoldier6, on Feb 06 2018 - 10:59, said:

 

Ok IF you already own both the 263 AND the 122-54, as I already do, how is it a 'fair' trade? I am not getting anything, because I already own the 263, and I am losing the SU-122-54.

 

View PostWarlion485, on Feb 06 2018 - 10:54, said:

 

HEY IDIOT....I have BOTH ALREADY.....can you read?  It is "simple" if you READ what is written instead of going off half baked just to add another post.

 

Wow how is this so impossible to understand?

YOU LOSE THE 122-54 FOR THE 263

IN PLACE OF THE 263 YOU GET THE 268 V4

 

you dont get anything for the 122-54 when they remove it from the game. you arent entitled to anything either.

 

its not like you have to research the 268 v4 again so you arent losing out on any of your exp that you saved up on either tank. 


Edited by DERP_IN_THE_FACE, Feb 06 2018 - 17:03.


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Following the update on RU server: people that had BOTH  SU 122-54 and Obj. 263 received Obj. 268 v.4 and tier IX Obj. 263 in their garage. NO additional credits were given. Su 122-54 was simply removed from the account in this case.

 

If you have both tanks in the garage right now -  sell SU 122-54 before the update comes online, you will get 50% of its cost. 


Edited by val_night_watch, Feb 06 2018 - 17:08.


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View Postval_night_watch, on Feb 06 2018 - 11:07, said:

Following the update on RU server: people that had BOTH  SU 122-54 and Obj. 263 received Obj. 268 v.4 and tier IX Obj. 263 in their garage. NO additional credits were given. Su 122-54 was simply removed from the account in this case.

 

If you have both tanks in the garage right now -  sell SU 122-54 before the update comes online, you will get 50% of its cost. 

 

Thank you :D

Warlion485 #11 Posted Feb 06 2018 - 17:14

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View Postval_night_watch, on Feb 06 2018 - 11:07, said:

Following the update on RU server: people that had BOTH  SU 122-54 and Obj. 263 received Obj. 268 v.4 and tier IX Obj. 263 in their garage. NO additional credits were given. Su 122-54 was simply removed from the account in this case.

 

If you have both tanks in the garage right now -  sell SU 122-54 before the update comes online, you will get 50% of its cost. 

 

That is a hose job!  theft.

Warlion485 #12 Posted Feb 06 2018 - 17:15

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View PostDERP_IN_THE_FACE, on Feb 06 2018 - 11:08, said:

 

Thank you :D

 

You still didn't get it.  You might and probably are right in the fact that owners of both will get hosed in the end.

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View PostWarlion485, on Feb 06 2018 - 11:14, said:

 

That is a hose job!  theft.

 

What are you even complaining about? I seriously dont understand what your problem is. Its not like the 122-54 is gonna be a reward tank like the foch 155 or the 183 or 215b. Its being removed in its entirety and you are getting fair compensation by receiving a tank in its place. You have lost nothing from this change

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View PostDERP_IN_THE_FACE, on Feb 06 2018 - 11:00, said:

 

 

Wow how is this so impossible to understand?

YOU LOSE THE 122-54 FOR THE 263

IN PLACE OF THE 263 YOU GET THE 268 V4

 

you dont get anything for the 122-54 when they remove it from the game. you arent entitled to anything either.

 

its not like you have to research the 268 v4 again so you arent losing out on any of your exp that you saved up on either tank. 

 

Understand it perfectly....but you dont.  So lets work your logic....

I loose my 122-54 and get a 263......oh gee my account already has a 263......what happens now.   Did I get anything for already having it?  Probably not.  However, If I sent you say a Locust and you already had it you would get the gold for it....would you not?  SO it isn't a trade if you already have both.

You still didn't read...the fact that I have BOTH.   I get the v4 because I already HAVE the 263....that is WOT has been doing....that is their policy through action.  So YES I have already researched the 268 v4.


Edited by Warlion485, Feb 06 2018 - 17:21.


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View PostShaddow_Ghost, on Feb 06 2018 - 07:18, said:

Wait, so do we lose silver for having both the Obj 263 and SU 122-54 if we BUY the SU 122-54? Meaning we shouldn't buy the SU 122-54 since we will get the Obj 263 and the Obj 268 v4 from just owning the Obj 263 currently?

It looks that we just lose  SU 122-54, which is too bad!     Really,  we don't  gain or lose on this swap.       I own this line at the moment from SU-100 Tier VI to the OBJ.263 Tier X.         

The OBJ. 263 has had to many Nerfs over it's history  and it is now a sad tank compared to it's glory days when first released!  (like the OBJ.268 is now)     It did have very good frontal armor at one time and was fun to play.



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View PostWarlion485, on Feb 06 2018 - 11:21, said:

 

Understand it perfectly....but you dont.  So lets work your logic....

I loose my 122-54 and get a 263......oh gee my account already has a 263......what happens now.   Did I get anything for already having it?  Probably not.  However, If I sent you say a Locust and you already had it you would get the gold for it....would you not?  SO it isn't a trade if you already have both.

You still didn't read...the fact that I have BOTH.   I get the v4 because I already HAVE the 263....that is WOT has been doing....that is their policy through action.  So YES I have already researched the 268 v4.

 

Oh but you didnt have a 268 v4 before now did you? No. Your logic is seriously flawed because you get sent a tank you already have to get gold that you paid for with cash. You didnt do that with the -54 or the 263. At this point all I can say you are a hopeless case with this and im done trying to get you to understand that WG OWES YOU NOTHING. YOU ARE ENTITLED TO NOTHING. Get the heck over it and move on. This is a fair change by WG and you lost nothing from it



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View PostDERP_IN_THE_FACE, on Feb 06 2018 - 10:16, said:

 

What are you even complaining about? I seriously dont understand what your problem is. Its not like the 122-54 is gonna be a reward tank like the foch 155 or the 183 or 215b. Its being removed in its entirety and you are getting fair compensation by receiving a tank in its place. You have lost nothing from this change

 

Ok, breaking it down...

 

Have: SU-122-54 Get: Obj, 263

Have: Obj. 263 Get: Obj. 263 and Obj 268v4

Have: SU-122-54 and Obj, 263 Get: Obj. 263 and Obj 268v4

 

The short of the issue that some people are taking is that if you have two tanks, you don't get anything more than if you had just the one tank and to them this doesn't feel right.

 

Edit: Given past history of these things, it seems like players that have both should receive a full credit refund for the SU-122-54 if they have both tanks.


Edited by BattlecryGWJ, Feb 06 2018 - 17:27.


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Finally a great reason to leave this game forever. I will not forgive this theft. 122 54 is mine and. Oone can take it away. 

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View PostDERP_IN_THE_FACE, on Feb 06 2018 - 11:16, said:

 

What are you even complaining about? I seriously dont understand what your problem is. Its not like the 122-54 is gonna be a reward tank like the foch 155 or the 183 or 215b. Its being removed in its entirety and you are getting fair compensation by receiving a tank in its place. You have lost nothing from this change

 

You really don't get it.

 

Lets walk the dog......

 

A.  I HAVE BOTH tanks.  Obj 263 and SU 122-54.

B.  Update comes in.  Lets say the Obj. 263 is dealt with first.   MINE moves to Tier IX and I get the Obj 268 v4 per the WOT policy and past actions.  Not an issue...but the OBJ 263 is in the account already...it just moved tree positions.

C.  Now my SU 122-54 goes away.  But I get the "trade" tank the Obj 263.....gee it is in the account already.  Do I get gold for the tank already in the account?  Knowing how this is going probably not.

 

So....because I ALREADY....key word.  Have both tanks..... I will not only loose 434300 experience and 4516000 silver cost of my SU 122-54.....I will not get "gold" for the tank I already have in the account...the OBJ 263.



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View PostBattlecryGWJ, on Feb 06 2018 - 11:26, said:

 

Ok, breaking it down...

 

Have: SU-122-54 Get: Obj, 263

Have: Obj. 263 Get: Obj. 263 and Obj 268v4

Have: SU-122-54 and Obj, 263 Get: Obj. 263 and Obj 268v4

 

The short of the issue that some people are taking is that if you have two tanks, you don't get anything more than if you had just the one tank and to them this doesn't feel right.

 

Edit: Given past history of these things, it seems like players that have both should receive a full credit refund for the SU-122-54 if they have both tanks.

 

Right because players feel entitled to something that they arent. So there is nothing wrong with this change. The -54 is just being removed entirely and is being replaced by the 263 in its place. So they didnt gain or lose credits.

 

and this non sense of getting gold....like no just stop


Edited by DERP_IN_THE_FACE, Feb 06 2018 - 17:30.





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