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Scorpiany #1 Posted Feb 13 2018 - 03:45

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Come on WarGaming, this isn't remotely funny. You've been flopping around with Ranked Battles for a year now, and you still can't get the XP system working properly?

 

You're not even trying to hide the Russian bias in this game. The recent Russian tanks that got buffed are now better than all direct counter-parts, and now you're favoring Russian IS-7's in the XP system?

 

 

 

Why is it that IS-7's magically get bonus XP for doing significantly less than everyone else?

 

To put this into perspective... Keep in mind, spotting counts for half of normal XP.

  • My E4 did 3,655 damage, 104 spotting and 1 kill at point-blank range. This is a combined 3,707 damage worth of XP.
  • The IS-7 above me did 1,869 damage, 1,155 spotting and one kill. This is a combined 2,447 damage worth of XP.

 

This means that the IS-7 did 1,260 combined damage worth of XP LESS than I did... Yet he gets more XP and the chevron?

 

Also, look at our Pz.Kpfw VII vs. the IS-7 above him.

  • Pz. Kpfw VII did 1,633 damage and 142 spotting at point-blank range. This is a combined 1,704 damage worth of XP.
  • The IS-7 did 0 damage and 1,170 spotting. This is a combined 585 damage worth of XP.

 

This means that the other IS-7 did 1,119 combined damage worth of XP LESS than our Pz. Kpfw VII did... Yet he gets more XP?


 

The Russian bias here is beyond blatant. It's sad, and WarGaming isn't even trying to hide it.

 

You want to get more XP in Ranked Battles? Play a Russian tank. You may as well anyway - The Obj. 430U is better in almost every single way than a 113.


 

 

 

And again... IS-7 does 0 damage, 446 damage, spotted 1 tank. That counts as 223 damage worth of XP. The BatChat? 1,152 points of damage on targets he was spotting himself. 0 assisted, but spotted 3 tanks. That's 1,152 damage worth of XP.

 

So why does the IS-7 get more XP, yet agian?

 

The system favors IS-7 tanks, for reasons I don't know.

 

 

 

It's definitely biased for IS-7's, and it's unbelievably obvious. They're not even hiding it.

 

Want more proof? Not convinced yet? Look through this entire album of IS-7's getting significantly more XP, for doing 0-1,000 damage; than tanks that did 2,000, 3,000 or even more combined damage. https://imgur.com/a/v8nwg


Edited by Scorpiany, Feb 15 2018 - 02:06.


CapnNoahJoJo03 #2 Posted Feb 13 2018 - 03:54

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Hmmmm... I would offer you a great deal on tinfoil hats, but your post seems flawless and I can’t see any error in your claims, conspiratorial though they may be.

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View PostScorpiany, on Feb 12 2018 - 21:45, said:

Come on WarGaming, this isn't remotely funny. You've been flopping around with Ranked Battles for a year now, and you still can't get the XP system working properly?

 

You're not even trying to hide the Russian bias in this game. The recent Russian tanks that got buffed are now better than all direct counter-parts, and now you're favoring Russian IS-7's in the XP system?

 

 

 

This really is a joke and a half. Why is it that IS-7's magically get bonus XP for doing significantly less than everyone else?

 

To put this into perspective... Keep in mind, spotting counts for half of normal XP.

  • My E4 did 3,655 damage, 104 spotting and 1 kill at point-blank range. This is a combined 3,707 damage worth of XP.
  • The IS-7 above me did 1,869 damage, 1,155 spotting and one kill. This is a combined 2,447 damage worth of XP.

 

This means that the IS-7 did 1,260 combined damage worth of XP LESS than I did... Yet he gets more XP and the chevron?

 

Also, look at our Pz.Kpfw VII vs. the IS-7 above him.

  • Pz. Kpfw VII did 1,633 damage and 142 spotting at point-blank range. This is a combined 1,704 damage worth of XP.
  • The IS-7 did 0 damage and 1,170 spotting. This is a combined 585 damage worth of XP.

 

This means that the other IS-7 did 1,119 combined damage worth of XP LESS than our Pz. Kpfw VII did... Yet he gets more XP?


 

The Russian bias here is beyond blatant. It's sad, it's pathetic and WarGaming isn't even trying to hide it.

 

You want to get more XP in Ranked Battles? Play a Russian tank. You may as well anyway - The Obj. 430U is better in almost every single way than a 113.

 

 

Can I get an AMEN ????

Seriously, excellent post as always, Scorp.

Another reason why I don't even worry about it ?  I have enough frustration in Pubs.

Kill 'em all, Scorp ! and +1, of course.



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What did the IS-4 do in the match.  It looks like it got the same XP as the Pz.Kpfw VII.   I agree with you on the Russian bias in the game-Object 257.

I am just asking.


 


Edited by riff_, Feb 13 2018 - 04:03.


_kumicho_ #5 Posted Feb 13 2018 - 04:03

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how much blocked respectively?

Scorpiany #6 Posted Feb 13 2018 - 04:05

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View PostCapnNoahJoJo03, on Feb 12 2018 - 18:54, said:

Hmmmm... I would offer you a great deal on tinfoil hats, but your post seems flawless and I can’t see any error in your claims, conspiratorial though they may be.

 

View Postriff_, on Feb 12 2018 - 19:02, said:

What did the IS-4 do in the match.  It looks like it got the same XP as the Pz.Kpfw VII.  Could this just be an IS-7 thing and not a Russian vehicle thing.  I agree with you on the Russian bias in the game-Object 257.

Just asking.


 

 

It's just the IS-7. Other Russian tanks are normal it seems. But the IS-7 is literally getting a bonus to base XP for free.

 

This IS-7 did 0 damage and 446 spotting damage... That counts as 223 damage in the XP system. But he gets more XP than the BatChat who did 1,152 damage once again at point-blank rank, and spotted 3 tanks?

 

They did something to the IS-7, to give it extra XP for free.

 


Edited by Scorpiany, Feb 15 2018 - 02:43.


Scorpiany #7 Posted Feb 13 2018 - 04:07

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View Post_kumicho_, on Feb 12 2018 - 19:03, said:

how much blocked respectively?

 

Blocked doesn't give any XP. But even if it did, the Pz. Kpfw VII especially should have had more XP. He blocked 3,310 points of damage. The IS-7? 490. For me, it was 0 blocked, IS-7 that passed me blocked 1,290 damage.

 

But blocked damage doesn't give any bonus XP, they never added that. And as I said, if they did, then it would have still gone in the favor of the Pz. Kpfw VII.

 

There isn't a single reason the Pz. Kpfw VII should have gotten less XP than the IS-7, but he did. And my damage was 50% more than the IS-7's combined damage...

 

It's just a free bonus for IS-7 tanks. Why? I have no clue.


Edited by Scorpiany, Feb 15 2018 - 02:44.


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This is from last ranked battles.  same old crap.  Apparently, all you gotta do is kill one tank with your only penetrating hit all game, and it earns more than 2.6k damage.  So remember... hold out for that kill.

 

 

 

 



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View PostNeatoMan, on Feb 12 2018 - 19:08, said:

Spoiler

 

 

 

Exactly what I'm saying. It seems like there's a strong bias towards IS-7's going on here.


Edited by Scorpiany, Feb 15 2018 - 02:44.


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View PostNeatoMan, on Feb 12 2018 - 22:08, said:

This is from last ranked battles.  same old crap.  Apparently, all you gotta do is kill one tank with your only penetrating hit all game, and it earns more than 2.6k damage.  So remember... hold out for that kill.

 

 

 

 

 

Holy Crap Batman!


 



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View PostScorpiany, on Feb 12 2018 - 22:10, said:

 

 

Holy crap dude... Exactly what I'm saying.

 

They rigged the system to favor IS-7's... It's a joke and a half.

 

"Skill based", my rear.

 

Actually it may be an joke and 2-1/2.  The amount of XP bonus for the IS-7:(


Edited by riff_, Feb 13 2018 - 04:21.


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guess it is time to break out the IS-7

 

edit: lmbo, yep was 9th in damage, but 4th in xp... had 2500 assisted damage tho.... hmmm --- maybe certain battles the IS-7 being a front line tank gets a lot of spotting/assist xp?  but that wouldn't explain why other heavies not getting the same



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My best guess, is he spotted for his damage while someone else spotted for your damage. And there is no way to determine that.

Scorpiany #14 Posted Feb 13 2018 - 04:32

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View PostKrovven, on Feb 12 2018 - 19:28, said:

My best guess, is he spotted for his damage while someone else spotted for your damage. And there is no way to determine that.

 

The damage was dealt at point-blank range. All the damage was done from a distance of below 300m. Most of it was done at point-blank range.

 

There is no "someone was spotting for someone else" at play here. Here's a thorough look at their detailed stats. https://imgur.com/a/v8nwg



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things that affect exp per shot:

did you hit a tank (even if you dont pen)? you get exp, the spotter does not. 

lower alpha shells earn more exp than higher alpha shells per damage done. 

did you hit different tanks (even if you dont pen)? you get more exp than hitting only 1 tank. 

are you in brawling range of the tanks you hit (even if you dont pen?) you get bonus exp. 

 

all that said, its pretty clear the IS7 is getting more exp than other tanks for the same actions, and that may be due to its historically bad gun, that was recently upgraded, and the bonus not being removed. 

 

side note: spotters do NOT get half exp. they get half of the exp derived from damage only. they get nothing from your bonuses for first shot on target, kill shot, critical damage, etc. 


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I admit there is no logical explanation.

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View PostHurk, on Feb 12 2018 - 19:40, said:

things that affect exp per shot:

did you hit a tank (even if you dont pen)? you get exp, the spotter does not. 

lower alpha shells earn more exp than higher alpha shells per damage done. 

did you hit different tanks (even if you dont pen)? you get more exp than hitting only 1 tank. 

are you in brawling range of the tanks you hit (even if you dont pen?) you get bonus exp. 

 

all that said, its pretty clear the IS7 is getting more exp than other tanks for the same actions, and that may be due to its historically bad gun, that was recently upgraded, and the bonus not being removed. 

 

Explain this to me then? What did this IS-7 do to get more XP than other players?

 

He did 0 damage, 0 assisted - He gets more XP.

 

 

 

Or maybe this IS-7, who did a whopping 103 combined damage.

 

 

 

 

Or maybe this amazing piece of performance; a total combined of 718 damage... And finishes SECOND PLACE.

 

 


Edited by Scorpiany, Feb 15 2018 - 02:49.


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Could it be survival time? Last I heard, that contributed to XP earned.

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View Postchurchill50, on Feb 12 2018 - 19:47, said:

Could it be survival time? Last I heard, that contributed to XP earned.

 

If that's the case, then this is an even more unbelievably poorly balanced game mode. 0 damage, but sat in the back and survived longest = more XP? So are you saying, that not participating but surviving grants more XP than people that participate?

 

Some of these IS-7's absolutely were not the last ones alive though - Which makes it even more likely that it's just a huge chunk of bonus XP for IS-7's.


Edited by Scorpiany, Feb 15 2018 - 02:49.


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Release new OP russian tanks (OBJ 268 4 and 430U), and now this....This company...i don't have words....




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