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txtaxman #21 Posted Feb 24 2018 - 00:08

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View PostTeaTimeWithKongou, on Feb 23 2018 - 16:04, said:

Winrate isn't a lie though :P neither is hit ratio...

 

Sure it is. Take the bond grind for the 907.

 

Numbers do not lie and the need for bonds in that instance encouraged bad gameplay.

Not in a tier 10 match? Unless I'm in my scout and can get bonds by suicide scouting, YOLO. (by the way, amazed how often my Sheridan or 100LT made it to the backfield and killed their arty, lol!)
Since not all matches are pure tier 10, percentages mean kill yourself and get a new match. Oh, my poor winrate....lulz :child:

 

(btw, this was before Wargaming said they would do the whole Vault thing. They only alluded they would do something. So some of us just knuckled down and went to it.)


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txtaxman #22 Posted Feb 24 2018 - 00:10

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View Post37h, on Feb 23 2018 - 17:05, said:

Are these the 2014 stat deniers coming back :^)

 

Been here since before 2014, or 2013, or 2012.... you get the idea. What I do see is wah wah wah wah team is terrible, win 8, win rate, wah wah wah, sit back and protect my stats, etc. :playing:

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all the people who farm garbage damage make wn8 a joke.  know what tells how much you're likely to win?  win rate.

JOSEPHINEISH #24 Posted Feb 24 2018 - 00:16

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You had more blocked and assisted which means as a heavy you failed.Congrats you didn't even do tier IV damage.

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View Posttxtaxman, on Feb 23 2018 - 16:37, said:

Don't let the mean old whiners brag about their win 8 and knock yours.  Win 8 is a lie. Win 8 has always been a lie. It will always be a lie.
Just learn, play and have fun. 
If someone brags about their win 8, ask how often anyone drops their undies because of it.....

KV-5
Blocked - 3600
Assisted - 3582
Kills - 2
Damage - 755

Win 8?   817 

So go forth, play and annoy. Tell 'em Tax said kisses.....

 

Do you have the replay file you can upload to WoTReplays and link for us?

 

Would be interesting to see the match. It's not hard to park a good side scraper against a corner and bounce a ton of damage while lighting what is shooting at the. You also did this in the KV-5, a tank that isn't seen much now days and a good amount of people don't know where to shoot.

 

And while I agree WN8 shouldn't be the only unit to judge a player, it's hardly a lie. 



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half your dmg was done over 300m to so that hurts you a lot and spotting dmg doesnt go towards wn8 WG doesnt release that info so thats why you got crap wn8. sounds like to me you sat in the back and low tier tanks shot at ya is all.  that game is horrid and nothing to brag about honestly and i would say the wn8 is damn close to what ya did

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Wrong forum, OP, you are talking to experienced players.  I don't know what "Win 8" is, but as for "wn8" I have found it to be accurate in predicting team wins and losses almost all the time.  Is it perfect?  Nope, everyone I know can point to that battle where the good guys (our team, i.e., the green team) had poor odds and won anyway.  Great.  Or the bad guys (the reds) had sucky odds but somehow crushed your 65% chances to win. 

 

But after tracking it for years, it predicts battle wins (as verified by me, over perhaps 5,000 or so battles), accurately about 90% of the time.

 

And for the quality of the player, well...it never said that it would be a perfect indicator of how you would play in a specific tank.  But it is a pretty good indicator of the general quality of your play, over time.  Argue all you like, purple players (via xvm) typically play pretty darn good.  Red players (typically) do not.  There can be variations, but as a tool, I find xvm immensely helpful in playing the game.  That is my experience.  

 

Good luck and happy tanking.



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View PostJOSEPHINEISH, on Feb 23 2018 - 17:16, said:

You had more blocked and assisted which means as a heavy you failed.Congrats you didn't even do tier IV damage.

 

Yes. I totally failed against tier 9s in an open field. You sir are on point and utterly awesome! :unsure:

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View PostKnagar, on Feb 23 2018 - 17:20, said:

 

Do you have the replay file you can upload to WoTReplays and link for us?

 

Would be interesting to see the match. It's not hard to park a good side scraper against a corner and bounce a ton of damage while lighting what is shooting at the. You also did this in the KV-5, a tank that isn't seen much now days and a good amount of people don't know where to shoot.

 

And while I agree WN8 shouldn't be the only unit to judge a player, it's hardly a lie. 

 

Didn't have it on. However, the map was Fisherman's Bay. We were on the north and it was a 5 tier 9/10 tier 8 spread. West was under-deployed and the scouts squatted in the center early. I ended up going West to support and pushed up to the rock at G1. By the time I swept south through the trees I was facing the heavies that our 9s had lost to in town (town had the overmatch and still lost). They were sniping from mid so I spotted and tracked them while the tds pounded them. The chance to scrape never came up but it did turn the match from a loss to a win by me spotting and tracking mid. At a distance, the KV5 gun just doesn't pack a punch to tier 9s.

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View PostRed_Ensign, on Feb 23 2018 - 17:13, said:

all the people who farm garbage damage make wn8 a joke.  know what tells how much you're likely to win?  win rate.

 

And you know what people with a higher WR are more likely to have? Higher WN8. Can we please stop pretending that a 2000 wn8 solo player will not have a higher WR than a 500 wn8 solo player? 

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View PostSkyrimosity, on Feb 23 2018 - 23:28, said:

 

And you know what people with a higher WR are more likely to have? Higher WN8. Can we please stop pretending that a 2000 wn8 solo player will not have a higher WR than a 500 wn8 solo player? 

 

100% of people with high win rates have high win rates.  if wn8 can beat that, I apologize for my mistake.

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View PostRed_Ensign, on Feb 23 2018 - 23:43, said:

 

100% of people with high win rates have high win rates.  if wn8 can beat that, I apologize for my mistake.

 

Ah, so, just gotta platoon with clanmates for all my games so I win more and therefore become a better player. Makes sense. 

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View PostBigNaturals, on Feb 23 2018 - 18:19, said:

half your dmg was done over 300m to so that hurts you a lot and spotting dmg doesnt go towards wn8 WG doesnt release that info so thats why you got crap wn8. sounds like to me you sat in the back and low tier tanks shot at ya is all.  that game is horrid and nothing to brag about honestly and i would say the wn8 is damn close to what ya did

 

You nailed it. Your insight is amazing. So let me help....

Yup, hiding in the back!

 

Not tracking the E75. I'm really hiding in back....

 

Not up in their base killing their scout. Guess I'm really in back sniping.....

 

Definitely not hiding from a Type 4, Jagtiggy and ISM...



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And yes, it is WN8.... It's ironical to call it Win 8. See what we did there, lol! :trollface:

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View PostOttoT, on Feb 23 2018 - 15:50, said:

I thought the cake was a lie?

 

Cake is a lie.

It is all about pie.



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What I see is that you Yolo swagged the 1 line of fisherman's bay against a bunch of noobs that don't know how easy it is to pen a KV5. Every TANK  on the enemy team has a gun capable of penning the kv5 from alnost Any angle. You say win8 isnt squat, i could look at the win8 of the opponents that couldnt pen you snd gather that they are at the bottom of the spectrum (due to their non ability to pen a squishy KV5), which would then proove win8 to be a pretty good metric. The game you had was rare, the assisted got you the xp , which in turn was a direct failure of you opponent to pen shots.... had they penned, you would have had a terrible match....wasn't like YOU had an epic match. You got the win8 that you "earned".

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View PostDirty_Camel, on Feb 24 2018 - 00:39, said:

What I see is that you Yolo swagged the 1 line of fisherman's bay against a bunch of noobs that don't know how easy it is to pen a KV5. Every TANK  on the enemy team has a gun capable of penning the kv5 from alnost Any angle. You say win8 isnt squat, i could look at the win8 of the opponents that couldnt pen you snd gather that they are at the bottom of the spectrum (due to their non ability to pen a squishy KV5), which would then proove win8 to be a pretty good metric. The game you had was rare, the assisted got you the xp , which in turn was a direct failure of you opponent to pen shots.... had they penned, you would have had a terrible match....wasn't like YOU had an epic match. You got the win8 that you "earned".

 

But I'm the n00b! How can a n00b p0wn the n00bs??? It is like dividing by zero. Just admit WN8 counts direct damage and that's it. Assuming you played a clan war or two, it is actually about teamplay. Direct damage is not a precursor to a win. The game is designed (although not often played) to be a team effort.

We had a 52% chance to win which is statistically dead even. 

But then again, the opinion of someone whose most played tank is an IS-6 and in which 40% of their 49,961 random battles are in only 10 tanks could probably teach me something about padding a stat or five...... So thank you! :medal:

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Well...if you can show us a purple wn8 player with a red win rate overall and lots of battles, I will agree. Until then, nope...This game is a hit points based tank game and the number one way to win is to reduce and eliminate the enemy hit point pool. The more you do, the higher your wn8. So if that is the number 1 way to win, it is no mystery that high wn8 players have a good win rate to go with it. Some tank classes are easier to pad wn8 in such as some light and medium tanks. Tank destroyers are usually bad for wn8 because they mostly have very high expected damage average values for wn8. 

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+ for disabling the minimap to boost frame rates. More people should do this. It's just distracting you from seeing what's right in front of you, amirite?




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