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alloyA #21 Posted Apr 14 2018 - 18:56

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Ok...it's not rigged. Guess I'm just a s**t player. 15 battles today, won one. Almost every game, the green team was wiped out while only killing 2-5 of their tanks. In my Progetto (new Italian tank), went up against a 704, he was at 400 hp and I had my full 1400, he one shot me. Guess I'm a really crappy player, eh?

SwedishEOD #22 Posted Apr 14 2018 - 18:59

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View PostUS_Cavalryman, on Apr 14 2018 - 18:39, said:

 

Well, the game is a team effort, no one person, no matter how good they are, or 'think' they are, is going to do well if the team they're on is bad.

i.e. Take the best QB in football or pitcher in baseball and put them on a bad team, they won't win anywhere near as many games, if any.

Now, with this game it's all determined by randomness.  The MM's logarithms pick a set number of tanks from a pool of available players according to the tier of the vehicle they're running.  So one team is likely to have 'better' players than the other one.  Hence why XVM show odds of winning.  The players aren't equal, nor are the vehicles they're running ( not all vehicles of the same tier are equal).  So, randomness dictates the team you're on.  And though you may be a god among players, if the team is bad......... well.

Now add Random Number Generation (RNG) in game.  You fire your heavy duty, beast of a gun at an enemy vehicle and RNG says you bounced it, or missed it entirely.  Even if you know where the weak points are and aim for them.  If you consistently roll snake eyes, again, it doesn't matter how 'good' you are.

So, though the game may appear fixed, it isn't.

And though skill does play a part, MM and RNG play a huge role on just how 'good' you are.

So, IMHO, stop worrying about whether or not it's fixed, and stop looking at your Victory %.  If RNG says you missed, or your dead, that's it.

 

So what you are saying if I understand you right is this: Doesn't matter how "good" or how well you play it's all RNG anyway? If any of you really think like that , why do you even play?

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View Postbabyhers, on Apr 14 2018 - 12:17, said:

realize that each and every battle in this game is rigged to have a predetermined winner.

 

Says the player with almost 19k battles and a 218 WN8. Yeah, you're a credible source alright.

Dogsoldier6 #24 Posted Apr 14 2018 - 19:03

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Damage Ratio .45

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Here is your REAL problem.............................



_Tsavo_ #25 Posted Apr 14 2018 - 19:06

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View PostalloyA, on Apr 14 2018 - 12:56, said:

Guess I'm just a s**t player. 

 

This is correct.

alloyA #26 Posted Apr 14 2018 - 19:07

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View Post_Tsavo, on Apr 14 2018 - 19:06, said:

 

This is correct.

 

So glad you agree...

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View PostSwedishEOD, on Apr 14 2018 - 12:59, said:

So what you are saying if I understand you right is this: Doesn't matter how "good" or how well you play it's all RNG anyway? If any of you really think like that , why do you even play?

 

This is what baffles me more than the complaints themselves... Why would anyone ever engage in an event of which they believe is created to make them lose? I can totally understand someone coming here and asking how to get better, or how not to lose so often, but just outright stating that the game is rigged against them begs some serious questions about sanity.

 

But, people are strange. Strange masochists, I guess.

 

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US_Cavalryman #28 Posted Apr 14 2018 - 19:12

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View PostSwedishEOD, on Apr 14 2018 - 12:59, said:

 

So what you are saying if I understand you right is this: Doesn't matter how "good" or how well you play it's all RNG anyway? If any of you really think like that , why do you even play?

 

For the fun of it?  Of course skill plays a part.  Anyone who rushes off into a position surrounded by 'enemy' tanks is going to die a fast, stupid death.  But I am saying that you can't remove the element of just pure dumb luck from the game.

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View PostalloyA, on Apr 14 2018 - 10:56, said:

Ok...it's not rigged. Guess I'm just a s**t player. 15 battles today, won one. Almost every game, the green team was wiped out while only killing 2-5 of their tanks. In my Progetto (new Italian tank), went up against a 704, he was at 400 hp and I had my full 1400, he one shot me. Guess I'm a really crappy player, eh?

 

the first step is admitting you are part of the problem, then you can look at ways to improve

 

i have people look at my replays, watch good streamers and try and learn from my mistakes i know its not a massive jump but since them i have actually went up 1 % 

 

as for the 704 he may have even ammoracked you 



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View PostDogsoldier6, on Apr 14 2018 - 13:03, said:

49.96 Hit Ratio

Average Damage 277

Damage Ratio .45

Destruction Ratio .41

 

Here is your REAL problem.............................

 

No the real problem is a tier 2 player buying a tier 8 premium.

US_Cavalryman #32 Posted Apr 14 2018 - 19:22

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View PostalloyA, on Apr 14 2018 - 12:56, said:

Ok...it's not rigged. Guess I'm just a s**t player. 15 battles today, won one. Almost every game, the green team was wiped out while only killing 2-5 of their tanks. In my Progetto (new Italian tank), went up against a 704, he was at 400 hp and I had my full 1400, he one shot me. Guess I'm a really crappy player, eh?

 

Put the Tier 8 premium tank away and play where you should be.   Tier 8 is very unforgiving seeing tier 10 a lot.  All you are is free hp to farm 

Beorn_of_the_NorthernSea #34 Posted Apr 14 2018 - 19:25

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View Postbabyhers, on Apr 14 2018 - 09:17, said:

realize that each and every battle in this game is rigged to have a predetermined winner.

 

So... Insults...

 

m'kay...  Tell ya what [edited], you want to [edited] insult people who believe that there isn't predetermination in this [edited] [edited] game?

 

Well [edited], here's a newsflash for ya [edited]...  In order for these [edited] games to be rigged, that would mean that Wargaming North America at most, or World of Tanks North America at the very least, would have to CARE ABOUT THE NORTH AMERICAN CENTRAL SERVER!

 

Think a [edited] moment before you open that flap below your [edited] nose you rancid [edited], do YOU honestly think, for even ONE [edited] moment, that WoT NA gives even two [edited] about ANY of us???  Whether a permanent tomato most-likely free-to-play "competitor" like you, or a slightly under-ripe banana wallet-warrior "more than a year of premium" premium account-holder [edited]-sucker like me, or a unicum streamer like <insert name of uber-leet player here> mother-[edited], DO... THEY... CARE???

 

NOW, roll that tinfoil [edited] through your chem-trail [edited]-bucket paradigm again, and see just how unlikely that really and truly is...

 

In order for them to Predetermine, there needs to be Premeditation.  Which means they need to meditate on it; you know [edited]...  they gotta think about it.  And I submit to YOU that they can't even answer a [edited] ticket about exchanging a [edited] [edited] AMX 13 57 for an AMX 13 57F without nineteen [edited] automated responses, an impassioned tête-à-tête with GhostPrime via Ouija Board, a retinal scan from Serb, blood, urine, fecal and tissue sacrifices to Kali-Ma, and [edited] Divine Inter-[edited]-vention!

 

JESUS H. CHRIST on a [edited] Pogo-Stick [edited] virgins in a twisted game of "Tiger Woods Par 3 'Hole'em all' Golf" you have GOT to be [edited] KIDDING ME if you aren't the most obtuse [edited] this side of Helen Keller's twin she consumed in the womb to sustain her powers...

 

We are all dumber from having read this.  I feel my [edited] synapses dying inside my [edited] Cro-magnon brow-ridge-laden skull even as I type from having allowed the very images from this [edited] topic to enter my [edited] optic nerve...

 

Just play the [edited] game.

 

~Beorn (about to start stage 4, and doesn't think there is enough coffee for [edited] like this)



SwedishEOD #35 Posted Apr 14 2018 - 19:26

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View PostUS_Cavalryman, on Apr 14 2018 - 19:12, said:

 

For the fun of it?  Of course skill plays a part.  Anyone who rushes off into a position surrounded by 'enemy' tanks is going to die a fast, stupid death.  But I am saying that you can't remove the element of just pure dumb luck from the game.

 

But the pure dumb luck will even out for everyone over a large number of battles , so what is left is your individual performance. RNG , MM , Map rotation all of it will even out over enough battles for all of us.

 



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View Post_Tsavo, on Apr 14 2018 - 10:06, said:

 

This is correct.

 

_Tsavo, believe it or not, after that terrible slide I had day before yesterday, I actually GAINED back all of it, PLUS a game to get me closer to even keel.  During THIS [edited] show no less.  So, forgive me if I find his thought process woefully suspect.

 

Hit me up if you've a mind to help along a crippled middle-aged dude sometime.  OR, if you've a mind to watch the slow, inexorable descent of my once decent mind into madness as I pursue this wee-little Italian tank.

 

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View PostalloyA, on Apr 14 2018 - 10:07, said:

So glad you agree...

 

Winrate: 45.15%
Battles: 2,102
Rating: 1,544
WN8: 160

 

However you are still very new to the game

 

_Tsavo on the other hand is a great player.

But he's been working at it for many years.

 

Winrate: 57.48%
Battles: 39,616
Rating: 8,285
WN8: 2,203

 

So you have about 35,000 battles to catch up statistically.

Do you think you can do it alloyA?

I do. _Tsavo's not a magician.

 

p.s. Gawd, I think I met _Tsavo back when he had maybe 12,000 battles.

We've been doing this too long brother.



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View PostSwedishEOD, on Apr 14 2018 - 13:26, said:

 

But the pure dumb luck will even out for everyone over a large number of battles , so what is left is your individual performance. RNG , MM , Map rotation all of it will even out over enough battles for all of us.

 

 

My wife always says that after a bad call in a football game.  But more often than not it doesn't and the bad call costs us the game.

I understand the logic, flip a coin and you have a 50/50 chance of heads or tails, flip enough times and it will even out to 50% of the time it'll be heads, the other tails.  But dice is a whole different set of odds.  And this game has so many variables dependent on randomly generated odds, that it doesn't always even out.



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 I'll probably get another warning from admin (or even a ban)

but  How do you play JgTig.8,8cm 1097 battles and achive winrate of 36.19% and 1 WN8??????????????????

1 WN8??????????????????  1097 battles???  did you just enter battles to earn some credit and not play?

 

 

 


Edited by ammo_magnet, Apr 14 2018 - 19:53.


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View Postammo_magnet, on Apr 14 2018 - 10:40, said:

1 WN8??????????????????  1097 battles???  did you just enter battles to earn some credit and not play?

 

Many do.






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